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« Reply #125 on: September 26, 2012, 02:24:06 AM »


You say that all religions are evil, then you up hold christian and judaism values. How can you christians even work with the jews when the jews killed jesus.Its beyond me how the jews and christians can be a alliance when there own doctrine hate each other.

How can there be there trinity, a three in one god, its beyond beleif. You got God the father, god jesus, and god the holy spirit.

But how can jesus be god when he says in John " no-one has seen god"

Even in mark, Jesus doesnt say there is three gods, he says," Hear o Israel, the lord our lord is one lord.

Whether it was prophet Abraham, moses, jesus or Mohamed, all where muslims who went to there people and asked them to break there idol worshipping and worship only one God.

Last time i check, Jesus was Hebrew, not moslem...
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« Reply #126 on: September 26, 2012, 06:22:50 AM »

Do you pick and choose what you wanna debate?You recycle the same post everytime.

Dont be jealous that Mohamed took halve the world in 23 years.You cant even take over afghanistan even with backup and youve been there 12 years.

Hahahaha, hohohoho, man that's funny.
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« Reply #127 on: September 26, 2012, 08:24:03 AM »

Last time i check, Jesus was Hebrew, not moslem...

Not 'hebrew'. A jew. He spoke Aramaic which was the native language of Palestine.

And Jesus was a Muslim as he submitted His will to God as is mentioned several times in the bible. In so many passages Jesus says not my will but your will. I can do nothing without the will of the father. Etc...

Muslim literally means one who submits himself to the will of God.

All the messengers and prophets of God called to the same thing, called to the same one almighty God our creator. From Adam to Muhammad (peace be upon them all)

Oh and just so you know Jews hated Christians from the beginning.. and Christians hated and persecuted Jews for over a millenia.

Today Israelis hate Christians. They hate Jesus and Mary. In the talmud they call Mary a whore and proudly boast that 'they killed Jesus'.

The qur'an refutes them in both matters in the passages refering to Jesus and Mary. Saying of mary that she was a pious believer and that they did not kill Jesus (peace be upon them both)
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« Reply #128 on: September 26, 2012, 08:28:00 AM »

WE DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROPHET::  STAY IN YOUR OWN LAND AND STONE EACH OTHER:  SAVE US AMMUNITION:  IT´S TIME THAT PEOPLE IN THE WEST STARTED TO WEED OUT PEOPLE LIKE THESE IDIOTS: THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN OUR LANDS AND PREACHING THIS PERVERTED FILTH FROM THEIR BOOK OF SATAN: EVIL :::  IF A MOSLIM LIVES IN YOUR STREET "WATCH THEM" KEEP THEM UNDER OBSERVATION: IF THEY ARE BEING RADICAL REPORT THEM TO THE AUTHORITIES: THIS IS THE WAY TO KEEP THEM UNDER CONTROL: IF YOU SEE A MOSLIM YOU KNOW ON THE STREETS RIOTING :::REPORT HIM !! WE ARE NOW MOVING INTO A FIGHT AGAINST EVIL:::  ONLY WHEN WE DEAL WITH THESE SCUM WILL WE BE RID OF THEM:

lol people wouldn't be coming to the west if it weren't for colonialism or imperialism of the west.



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« Reply #129 on: September 26, 2012, 04:45:21 PM »

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« Reply #130 on: September 28, 2012, 02:43:47 AM »

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« Reply #131 on: September 28, 2012, 05:26:28 PM »

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« Reply #132 on: September 28, 2012, 09:23:59 PM »

You point out one example, that doesn't mean their are heaps - that is a ludicrous leap in logic.  I said there were a few, and that's what their are, quite often minority groups are taken into Political and Police Forces as a token gesture, a politically correct move to demonstrate that these groups aren't biased.  They also recruit these members as a way to deal with minority groups within a culture and the policing problem those groups present - like the Middle Eastern Crime Task Force (It's a sad day when you need special policing units to deal with a minority group over-represented in crime).  You will find that these so called Muslims aren't REAL Muslims, they either fit into the culture or they are expelled.  Your brother in Law is the exception, and not the rule.  You can rest assure that your brother in law would be looked upon with more scrutiny than a non-muslim federal agent.  The majority of Politicians and Police are from an anglo-saxon white background, you can dispute this as much as you like, but it is FACT.

In 2003, NSW police set up Task Force Gain to investigate Middle Eastern gang crime. In one year, it made 1069 arrests, laid 2384 charges and seized drugs worth $3.5 million.

That is a mindblowing statistic on its own. In a nationwide population of 320,000 Muslims, just this one task force made 1069 arrests in just one year. That's one in every 300 Muslims in the whole of Australia and those arrests were made only in Sydney. But this is more extraordinary when just the population of Muslims in Sydney, around 220,000, is taken into account. What it means that in that one year, Task Force Gain arrested 1 in every 136 Muslims in Sydney, man, woman and child.

CAN A MUSLIM BE A GOOD AUSTRALIAN?


With what is quite clearly known about Islam and the way Muslims follow the requirements of this death cult literally to the letter, an examination of Muslims in Australia could easily lead a person to come to the conclusion that Muslims cannot follow the dictates of this religion and also be good and loyal Australians.

So can a Muslim be a good Australian? The answers are:

Theologically - NO - Because his allegiance is to his Allah, the god of Arabia, not to Australia.

Religiously - NO - Because in its intolerance, no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Koran, 2:256).

Scripturally - NO - Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Koran.

Geographically - NO - Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - NO - Because his allegiance to intolerant Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - NO - Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of the Great Satan America, Australia and the rest of the free world.

Domestically - NO - Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wives when they disobey him (Koran, 4:34)

Intellectually - NO - Because he cannot accept the Australian Constitution, since it is based on Judeo-Christian Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - NO - Because Islam and the Koran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - NO - Because when Australians declare "One Nation Under God', the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly Father, nor is he ever described as loving in the Koran.
We should be very suspicious of ALL Muslims in Australia. The facts show that they obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Australians It's the truth and the truth won't go away, just because some people don't like it.. The religious war is bigger than most Australians realise.

Muslims have blatantly stated that they will destroy us from within. Australian spokesmen for groups such as Hizb-ut-Tahrir have declared that their aim is to overthrow Australia's secular democratic system and turn Australia into an Islamic Sharia nation as part of a broad Islamic Caliphate. And that is a fact.

Theologically= YES – Because his allegiance is to the One God, creator of Australia, Arabia and the whole universe. Allah is simply the Arabic name of God just as Dios is the Spanish name for God.

Also, Australia is a country not a church. Many different beliefs exist here and before Christianity there were the different Aboriginal beliefs so by your logic Christianity shouldn't be practiced here.

Religiously= You quoted the wrong verse. Verse 2:256 says:
 
"Let there be no compulsion in Religion: truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah (one God) has grasped the most trustworthy hand hold, that never breaks and Allah hears and knows all things."

I’ll give you the verse you wanted. It’s chapter 3:85
 
And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.
 
That’s right we firmly believe that Islam is the only true religion accepted by God and it is the same teachings and message that was taught by the Prophets before Muhammad such as Jesus, Moses and Abraham (peace be upon them all).
 
Just as Christians believe salvation comes from believing Jesus died for your sins, and like Jews believe they are the chosen ones by God. Of course every religion believes they are the successful ones in the end.
 
The verse 3:85 however doesn’t contradict the fact that Muslims can co-exist and have co-existed with people of other religions. It is just saying that in the Hereafter (Judgment day) the successful ones are only those who submitted to the One God, obeyed His messengers and followed the scriptures that were revealed to them.

Even under Islamic rule, non-Muslims who accept to live under Islamic authority are not banished from the social arena

Scriturally=That’s correct. Our Islamic laws come from the Qur’an and our allegiance is to Allah. What’s your point? The Australian constitution allows for freedom of religion in section 116 and being a Muslim does not go against Australian law.

Section 116 of the Constitution of Australia precludes the Commonwealth of Australia (i.e., the federal parliament) from making laws for establishing any religion, imposing any religious observance, or prohibiting the free exercise of any religion
 
Seems that you’re the one that is intolerant by calling for religious monotony.

By the way this is the 5 pillars: declaring faith, praying, giving charity, fasting and making pilgrimage to Mecca. Does that sound sinister to you?

Geographically=Explain to me the negative effect inflicted upon Australia when people turn towards Mecca to pray. Is it knocked off it's own axis or something.

Do we have to face the Uluru for us to be Australian?

socially=Naturally you would make friends with someone who you have things in common with and who has the same goals as you. As a Muslim we have a goal to please Allah and keep company with those that can help us achieve that goal. We’re not banned from being generally polite and helpful to non-Muslims. You can see social harmony in Australia between the faiths whether it’s at the workplace or universities or wherever but I don’t even think YOU wanna be friends with a Muslim or attempted to do so. Honestly you’re the one that seems full of hate and arrogance.

Politically=Muslims don't submit to "mullahs".

No-one in Australia is required to adhere to the same political views, not even politicians within the same party agree with each other on every issue. Is it only Muslims that are prohibited from being opinionated? Is freedom of speech only extended to non-Muslims

Domestically=Muslim men were restricted to four since prior to that verse coming down, men in the region were marrying an unrestricted number of women. Take a brief history and social studies class before making such a comment.

1/3rd of Aussie women have faced physical or sexual assault. Therefore 1/3rd of the male population who inflict this ghastly statistic are incompatible with Australia. Yes?

Islam teaches kindness to women. The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said that the best of the men are those who are the best to their wives and he led by example as he was the best to his wives. Before he died, one of his final advice was ‘be good to the women’. When you study Islam you will learn this but when you study the media you will only become a self-proclaimed ‘expert’ with false arguments.

Intellectually="Judeo-Christian?" You mean Jews who killed the God of the Christians? Or the fact Christians worship a trinity and Jews don't? Or the fact Christians have been the world's biggest Jew killers? Stop fumbling around man, the Australian Constitution does not require Muslims or any other adherent to renounce their faith hence it is applicable to all.
 
Philisophically=Democracy is man-made law. We subscribe to the divine laws of the Creator that are infallible because they come from God and not a human being.

Under Islamic rule however, a Christian can still remain a Christian and no one is forced to convert to Islam.

Spiritually=You're right. Allah is never described as loving in the Qu'ran. He's described as more than loving there. Allah is simply the Arabic name for God. Arab Christians call God, Allah because that's what they see when they open up an Arabic Bible - Allah.

Theologiaclly=
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