is training with anything above casual-moderate intensity while natural a waste?

[anabolichalo]

since you have no hormones you cant make gains and are just wasting energy on fruitless endeavours and on top of that increasing risk of injury and speeding up wear and tear


once you trained real real hard for years and reached your probable peak and feel spent you kind of feel depressed towards the whole thing

but still like to maintain a decent shape

how to go about it

once a week

twice a week?

draw out a routine for "maintenance" thanks

[the trainer]

3 times weekly moderate intensity is more than enough.

[Jaime]

Welcome back.

[bigmc]

i think you have to train mych harder as a natural to get anywhere

[the trainer]

i think you have to train mych harder as a natural to get anywhere

You are wrong as a natural you cannot train as hard as a person on roids because your recovery time is less, if you train too hard you will overtrain.

[dj181]

i think you can go about 10-14 btw bodyparts and still maintain your current condition

[chaos]

Lift heavy shit, eat, sleep, repeat.

Wtf is the problem here?

[Fortress]

Outed

[anabolichalo]

or you can try bulking as a natty and youll simply become obese.

as a natural, after years of training and being close to the growth limit, id train 2-3 times a week, any more wont do anything anyway.

these (probably) natural lifters at the gym with monster guts are not impressing anybody but themselves when pumping out easy reps with 225 on the bench with feet on the bench like real good form "wow strong" then you realize they are not even pressing bodyweight



then you see them in the locker room with their fat bodies exposed and you wonder "why does this guy even workout"

[Powerlift66]

no nattie will understand this, because they dont know any better, but here is how it really is:

a nattie cant train anywhere near as hard as a person on gear, as long the one on gear somewhat eats right and gets enough rest.

the compare is a total joke.

a geared body will metabolize food way better, it will be very forgiving even if diet is very much off.

the recovery times are not even remotely close in the same league.

and the pump, leading to all kinds of further advantages, is so ridiculous on gear, it cant even be compared.

if a natural with good genetics does everything right, and a gear user with shit genetics does everything wrong, then yes, that natty will have better results.but he will never get big(and lean at same time).

This ^^^

[tbombz]

i think you have to train mych harder as a natural to get anywhere

yup

naturals should train their ass off

roiders should take it easy.

[polychronopolous]

no nattie will understand this, because they dont know any better, but here is how it really is:

a nattie cant train anywhere near as hard as a person on gear, as long the one on gear somewhat eats right and gets enough rest.

the compare is a total joke.

a geared body will metabolize food way better, it will be very forgiving even if diet is very much off.

the recovery times are not even remotely close in the same league.

and the pump, leading to all kinds of further advantages, is so ridiculous on gear, it cant even be compared.

if a natural with good genetics does everything right, and a gear user with shit genetics does everything wrong, then yes, that natty will have better results.but he will never get big(and lean at same time).

Yes but this gimmick coming back after his original account was put in time out for trollling with countless stupid questions is relying on "Pure_Natural_Strength"

[nasht5]

a person on aas/ped's will recover faster than a natty but the natty can train just as intense while in the gym, they just can not train the same bodypart as often. longer rest times between muscle groupes is the answer. one body part every 7days kids.

[_bruce_]

Training clean is serious business.
...Do it because you love it
...keep the weights big
...and eat within your needs

Not a whole lot of fun unless it's got a special place in your heart.

[anabolichalo]

Training clean is serious business.
...Do it because you love it
...keep the weights big
...and eat within your needs

Not a whole lot of fun unless it's got a special place in your heart.

how can you keep loving something that is really hard and does not give any results only disappointments

[Man of Steel]

LOL!! Users critical of natties....classic.

[galain]

a person on aas/ped's will recover faster than a natty but the natty can train just as intense while in the gym, they just can not train the same bodypart as often. longer rest times between muscle groupes is the answer. one body part every 7days kids.

Gotta agree with this. I can train with pretty good intensity but I only do it twice a week, and I find volume training does nothing at all for me but make me lose muscle. I'm also 42, so either I accept that I'm not going to be getting any bigger and just find injury free ways to maintain as well as I can (where I am currently) or dose up and join the anti-ageing crowd (may be moving to Thailand next year so it's well within the realms of possibility).

I agree 100% about the diet factor as a natty though. You either commit to eating properly (whatever that means for you), or you don't. There's no grey area with that, especially as you get older.

[_bruce_]

how can you keep loving something that is really hard and does not give any results only disappointments

Doing it gives joy - the rest ain't that important.
It entertains me when gullible people think they can become Ronnie Colman if they stay with it and train religiously eyeballing themselves every training session only to increase their already rampant insanity.

[anabolichalo]

Doing it gives joy - the rest ain't that important.
It entertains me when gullible people think they can become Ronnie Colman if they stay with it and train religiously eyeballing themselves every training session only to increase their already rampant insanity.

it angers me people like you use ridiculously exagerated statements like "thinking you can look like ronnie coleman" to subtley imply you can be 6' 200lbs conditioned with 17" arms


you cant do nothing shit absolutely crap without roids

[Dr Dutch]

Answer: hard/heavy, bodypart every 5-7th day. That's it, for a natural.

Thread ends, says Dr Dutch.

[The Grim Lifter]

Once you have been training a while you can train with lighter weights and you can feel everything. After only a few years you still need to go heavy to feel what you are doing. I go to failure still but i train a bit lighter and go through the movements slower and i do very few sets. It's like anything, once you've been doing it for 10+ years you know exactly what you have to do.

Natty you'll get a good 3 years growth. Then on gear you might get a good 3-4 years growth. Sure you can gain after that if you stay juiced but it will be slow and you'll start having more sides for returns.

[Heywood]

And this is, of course, one of the side-effects of steroids:  the belief that you need them to build a great physique.

There were a lot of AAU Mr. America's & NABBA Mr. Universe's before steroids were around.

[Luolamies]

it angers me people like you use ridiculously exagerated statements like "thinking you can look like ronnie coleman" to subtley imply you can be 6' 200lbs conditioned with 17" arms

you cant do nothing shit absolutely crap without roids

If you do things right 6' 200 lbs with 17?! arms is VERY possible. Face it you don't have what it takes and you are not even willing to "spend" money on good food and you say shit like this.

You belong to the TOP 10 Worst poster ever...

[anabolichalo]

If you do things right 6' 200 lbs with 17?! arms is VERY possible. Face it you don't have what it takes and you are not even willing to "spend" money on good food and you say shit like this.

You belong to the TOP 10 Worst poster ever...

people like you deserve to be beaten with sticks untill they stop perpetuating false promises

[_bruce_]

anabolinko : please try explaining in english what your opinion is on this...