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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2012, 03:07:50 PM » |
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no nattie will understand this, because they dont know any better, but here is how it really is:
a nattie cant train anywhere near as hard as a person on gear, as long the one on gear somewhat eats right and gets enough rest.
the compare is a total joke.
a geared body will metabolize food way better, it will be very forgiving even if diet is very much off.
the recovery times are not even remotely close in the same league.
and the pump, leading to all kinds of further advantages, is so ridiculous on gear, it cant even be compared.
if a natural with good genetics does everything right, and a gear user with shit genetics does everything wrong, then yes, that natty will have better results.but he will never get big(and lean at same time).
^^^^ What this guy said. Anyone saying taht naturals should train their asses off is fucking retarded. |
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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2012, 03:08:46 PM » |
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Lift heavy shit, eat, sleep, repeat.
Wtf is the problem here?
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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2012, 03:16:56 PM » |
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people like you deserve to be beaten with sticks untill they stop perpetuating false promises
Too bad that you'd run away in record time (if you ever had the balls to face me). PS. People like you just say: "i'm not big because i don't use steroids"... It's a lame excuse. |
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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2012, 03:20:27 PM » |
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^^^^
What this guy said. Anyone saying taht naturals should train their asses off are fucking retarded.
lets think about this for a second. out of all the athletes i know of that are drug free, the ones who have the best bodies work extremely hard. they do lots of high intensity training, going to failure set after set after set, doing sprint workouts till they throw up, etc. check out the bodies on the kids on your local high school varsity football team. theres some naturals there that are totally ripped and muscular top to bottom. just lots of hard work (and good genes too). out of all the drug users i know of.. some of the biggest and most developed train extremely lazy. paul dillet comes to mind. chris cormier.victor martinez. markus ruhl. flex wheeler. tony freeman. etc etc. |
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« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2012, 03:23:35 PM » |
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Too bad that you'd run away in record time (if you ever had the balls to face me).
PS. People like you just say: "i'm not big because i don't use steroids"... It's a lame excuse.
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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2012, 03:28:12 PM » |
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a little Viking bezerker rage here my friend Yeah, it's only for special occasions!  |
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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2012, 03:48:44 PM » |
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Naturals should train more like a powerlifter, with very heavy weights and low reps all the time. Train the full body three times a week and drink a gallon of milk a day and you'll be 70's big in no time.
Isolation exercises are a waste for naturals because you will overtrain if you do so much as a single set of curls.
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« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2012, 03:50:16 PM » |
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If you do things right 6' 200 lbs with 17?! arms is VERY possible. Face it you don't have what it takes and you are not even willing to "spend" money on good food and you say shit like this.
You belong to the TOP 10 Worst poster ever...
Yeh sure but at what bodyfat. Eating more won't make you suddenly gain muscle beyond your natural limitations. Naturally there is a limit, if you get ripped naturally you arn't looking like a bodybuilder when wearing clothes. |
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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2012, 05:06:40 PM » |
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Answer: hard/heavy, bodypart every 5-7th day. That's it, for a natural.
Thread ends, says Dr Dutch.
IMHO, this is probably a mistake for a natural. For a natural, the so-called "anabolic window" after a training session is very small. Hitting a bodypart once per week means you're growing perhaps 1-2 days, then regressing the remainder of the week (while your nervous system is still smashed.) If you are on drugs, you can grow even without the training stimulus, this is why once per week works well for them. Fullbody or a sensible upper/lower (or push/pull) split perhaps with some periodisation (Heavy-Light-Medium) works very well for naturals. HST is also a great methodology. You'll never look like a "real" bodybuilder though... |
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« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2012, 05:36:22 PM » |
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check out the bodies on the kids on your local high school varsity football team
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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2012, 05:46:27 PM » |
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Without gear, the best thing to do is to manipulate the diet and get really lean(6-8%) 6 months out of the year and then put on weight(10-12%) 6 months out of the year. You'll trick your mind into thinking your making progress. And you'll have a pussy pulling physique a few months out of the year.
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« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2012, 05:48:34 PM » |
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Lift heavy shit, eat, sleep, repeat.
Wtf is the problem here?
this i train hard and heavy and i still see gains |
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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2012, 05:59:46 PM » |
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Are you fags saying I wasted my time busting my ass deadlifting today  Shit.  |
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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2012, 07:08:48 PM » |
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Are you fags saying I wasted my time busting my ass deadlifting today Shit. basically yes |
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« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2012, 07:09:01 PM » |
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Lift heavy shit, eat, sleep, shit a few times, crack one off to MILF porn, repeat.
Wtf is the problem here?
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« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2012, 07:11:43 PM » |
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no nattie will understand this, because they dont know any better, but here is how it really is:
a nattie cant train anywhere near as hard as a person on gear, as long the one on gear somewhat eats right and gets enough rest.
the compare is a total joke.
a geared body will metabolize food way better, it will be very forgiving even if diet is very much off.
the recovery times are not even remotely close in the same league.
and the pump, leading to all kinds of further advantages, is so ridiculous on gear, it cant even be compared.
if a natural with good genetics does everything right, and a gear user with shit genetics does everything wrong, then yes, that natty will have better results.but he will never get big(and lean at same time).
I trained as hard as the guys on the gas in my gym. I think you should rephrase what you said. Most guys on the shit DONT train hard because they realize they dont have to. I think it might be more accurate to say that the naturals can not CONTINUE with high intensity training like someone using the shit could. Agree? |
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« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2012, 07:16:29 PM » |
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You'll never look like a "real" bodybuilder though...
Yes, because you are probably one of those guys who think the 'slined and SEO look as "real"  |
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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2012, 10:14:03 PM » |
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Yes, because you are probably one of those guys who think the 'slined and SEO look as "real" Not not at all, I don't care much for that look, but it seems to be what many people have in mind when thinking "bodybuilder" isn't it? I think a natural can develop a very good, muscular physique but we do have to adjust our expectations! |
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« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2012, 01:03:29 AM » |
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Are you fags saying I wasted my time busting my ass deadlifting today Shit. I think its a good movement for naturals..if youre juiced, you dont need dl's, your back will grow anyway. |
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« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2012, 05:23:43 AM » |
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Not not at all, I don't care much for that look, but it seems to be what many people have in mind when thinking "bodybuilder" isn't it?
I think a natural can develop a very good, muscular physique but we do have to adjust our expectations!
Its what they think because that's what has been shoved down their throats. So, how is it a natural isn't a "real" bodybuilder? You made the comment...so please explain. |
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« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2012, 05:35:37 AM » |
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« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2012, 05:38:25 AM » |
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or you can try bulking as a natty and youll simply become obese.
as a natural, after years of training and being close to the growth limit, id train 2-3 times a week, any more wont do anything anyway.
Agree.. I train 3 Days a week Chest+back off Legs off shoulders+ arms weekend off this is enough for me along with 2-3 times a week running. I think anymore would just tire me too much and i would not recover... well i never was going to be Mr O anyway... |
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« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2012, 05:52:46 AM » |
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1 thing about being natural is that it take ages to lose what you have gained, when I started working(and stopped posting on getbig for years) I didnt train for 12 months and even though I didn't have much to lose anyway I kept the little that i did have with no training lol. I only went from bench pressing 110kgx8 to 100kgx8 after not training for almost a year. When I first entered a gym at 15 I could only do 50kgx8. Basically in a year of not training I only lost 25lbs off max bench press. |
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« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2012, 01:06:29 PM » |
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dillet, cormier, martinez, ruhl and wheeler dont train lazy.
they are all very strong.they lifted heavy weights and did plenty of sets, how is that lazy?
seen flex wheeler pics when he was about 20years old?you think that came from lazy training?
seen him incline bench 400lbs?how is that lazy?
none of these pro got where they been by training lazy.
they all did foundation work for years and then focussed more on detail, took it easier on the weight maybe, but lazy, no.
theyre bbuilders, not powerlifters.
Explain that to gh15 minions who think they can build physique doing no linear weight progression and performing some pre-exhaust isolation bullshit. |
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« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2012, 01:24:44 PM » |
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3 times weekly moderate intensity is more than enough.
This. And if you want to b a little leaner, up the intensity. |
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