is training with anything above casual-moderate intensity while natural a waste?

[anabolichalo]

what are your goals dude?

cosmetic or performance?

cosmetic aka real muscle not just ego lifting aka performance

[dj181]

cosmetic aka real muscle not just ego lifting aka performance

you know that a great deal of that cosmetic look comes from being ultra lean right?

[anabolichalo]

you know that a great deal of that cosmetic look comes from being ultra lean right?

yes

of course you also need muscle in all the right places


i think with enough steroids joe average can develop muscle size beyond their wildest dreams

but to look aesthetic like this is genetics is it not

this right here is the ideal "look" (of course you cannot judge a physique from one picture but in this picture it captures what would be the "ideal" every day physique)

[dj181]

yep, it's almost all genetic

joint size, limb and torso length, hip width, or lack thereof, etc

[anabolichalo]

altho some claim trenbolone makes them look genetically superior while they are average

i dont really believe it tho

in my gym, a lot of guys on juice

i dont know their cycles

but only one of them looks good actually

the other ones have really bloated waist despite shape of abs visible. and i dont even assume they are on slin and gh, guess the steroids can bloat the waiste as well........


one looks fantastic

he does have that "tren face" i keep reading about

almost cartoonishly angular face

[dj181]

tren can not change structure, in fact nothing can

[BigCyp]

ropo, you clown, lets see pics of you and what youve achieved,lol.

i bet i can get where you are and top that within 2 months on bit juice, after even years off of training and diet.

probably am bigger than you even when im off training althogether.

so yeah, instead of writing long useless essays full of lies and bs, just post a pic, let the pictures speak.


lol, dj181, that shredded look in that pic, nobody can keep that for more than couple days.that physique with some 2-3 preent mpore bodyfat will look alot less impressive btw.

gotta stay realistic.i prefer some look thats possible to hold to year round, instead of being in shape for couple weeks a year after flooding body with tren and other dieting drugs.i mean if one looks like shit 10 months every year,its pointless is nt it.

i agree, alot comes down to structure, if the structure sucks, its impossible to look any good, except if totally ripped, or in t shirt.

a good structure with some lean mass on it is going long ways.

bad structure ppl have to work around.

some just arent made for this.

it just takes more time than on steroids is the most blatant lie ever told in this business.

i respect naturals who give their best but dont live under any delusions how far theyll get.(a swimmers body).

tren is way overrated.

all steroids are more or less the same, you can get shredded on deca and dbol and nothing else, just as one can become a bloated mess on tren and masteron.

many gear users dont even understand how steroids work.to think tren burns fat, like some claim, is spiiting on science and the known rules how a body works.even adonis diet approach is less stupid than that tren claim

Great point.

[anabolichalo]

what is a realistic maintanable look?
µ


tbombz?

[Krankenstein]

it's not hard to maintain 90% of your gains if your gains are miniscule

Whats miniscule?  I am still 200-205 lbs depending on the day/cheat meal.  During my competitive days, I was walking around at 215-220 with higher bodyfat.  I competed at about 188 or so.

Here is a recent pic.  Going to throw yours out there?  Or are you going to just bark like a little chihuahua and talk about what is impressive or not impressive, whats real and whats not, whats ideal and less than ideal?

Here is a pic from yesterday at Mom's house (before any smart ass comments about bathroom decor..lol).  Pellius is calling me a fat ass...looks like I need to hit the gym a little more (and then the tanning bed 3x a day)

that's not bad but honestly it's nothing to write home about either

a double with 495 in the deadlift
big fucking deal

#1) Try 505.....5 plates + 5 on each side.  Hmmmm....505 to me.
#2) Show us your deadlift.  Serious.  Talk shit.  Back it up.  Oh wait, you don't deadlift because you don't find it helpful.  But I bet you can do hammerstrength one arm rows like a champ!
#3) I just have a belt on.  No suit.  No straps.  Also, over 40 yo.  Nope.  Not super impressive.  But not average.

[BigCyp]

Krankenstein would snap these little twink's spines and use them to mix his post workout ground lions heart shake

[Krankenstein]

Krankenstein would snap these little twink's spines and use them to mix his post workout ground lions heart shake

Naw, being that I am a twink I would only fall down due to my unimpressive build.  I leave the actually snapping of spines to the new king of GB....AnalbowlerHalo

[VladimirVersic]

Whats miniscule?  I am still 200-205 lbs depending on the day/cheat meal.  During my competitive days, I was walking around at 215-220 with higher bodyfat.  I competed at about 188 or so.

Here is a recent pic.  Going to throw yours out there?  Or are you going to just bark like a little chihuahua and talk about what is impressive or not impressive, whats real and whats not, whats ideal and less than ideal?

#1) Try 505.....5 plates + 5 on each side.  Hmmmm....505 to me.
#2) Show us your deadlift.  Serious.  Talk shit.  Back it up.  Oh wait, you don't deadlift because you don't find it helpful.  But I bet you can do hammerstrength one arm rows like a champ!
#3) I just have a belt on.  No suit.  No straps.  Also, over 40 yo.  Nope.  Not super impressive.  But not average.

Looking good man! Impressive strength btw, dont mind the haters.

[dj181]

anabolichalo=purenatrualstrength

suprised that you dudes don't see that

pns has good wheels on him, and pretty decent arms, but slooped and droppy shoulders so not the greatest structure

[D.O.U.P]

Naw, being that I am a twink I would only fall down due to my unimpressive build.  I leave the actually snapping of spines to the new king of GB....AnalbowlerHalo

Good build Krank.

250 mg test per week. Thats impressive.

Cardio? 

Diet?

Yea, I know boring questions but indulge me.

[Krankenstein]

anabolichalo=purenatrualstrength

suprised that you dudes don't see that

pns has good wheels on him, and pretty decent arms, but slooped and droppy shoulders so not the greatest structure

PNS was against guys using I thought...so I don't see the correlation.  Unless its just trolling

[Krankenstein]

Good build Krank.

250 mg test per week. Thats impressive.

Cardio? 

Diet?

Yea, I know boring questions but indulge me.

200mg....not like the 50 would matter...right?  Mine is prescribed.  Test Cyp compounded in lab in Wisconsin.  I have to do blood tests every 3 mos.  I pay out of pocket because no insurance.  I am happy that I have good relationships built with some diagnostic places as I just got an mri of elbow and shoulder for no charge.

Check out the "training log" i have for diet and exercise stuff.  I havent posted my diet lately just because it is the same (essentially) Mon - Saturday with a cheat meal on thursday night and a cheat day on sunday.

[Van_Bilderass]

Didn't read this thread but as far as the title question, I think naturals should train harder,
more frequently, do more volume. I think naturals tolerate it all better. I doubt anyone said this in
this thread and never really seen anyone argue this elsewhere either.

Steroids help "between sets recovery" but overall I feel steroids don't enhance between
sessions recovery that drastically, if at all. Soreness does not go down IMO and IME.
What you can do on steroids is break your body down real quick if you think you can
suddenly increase everything training related. Moreover you don't need that much stimulus to grow
on steroids.

Basically all experienced trainees I've seen start steroids instinctively lowered frequency and volume.

If I tried training as hard today, at 35 and on steroids, as I did at 15, I'd be dead in a week, or at least have a dozen torn muscles.

[Krankenstein]

Didn't read this thread but as far as the title question, I think naturals should train harder,
more frequently, do more volume. I think naturals tolerate it all better. I doubt anyone said this in
this thread and never really seen anyone argue this elsewhere either.

Steroids help "between sets recovery" but overall I feel steroids don't enhance between
sessions recovery that drastically, if at all. Soreness does not go down IMO and IME.
What you can do on steroids is break your body down real quick if you think you can
suddenly increase everything training related. Moreover you don't need that much stimulus to grow
on steroids.

Basically all experienced trainees I've seen start steroids instinctively lowered frequency and volume.

If I tried training as hard today, at 35 and on steroids, as I did at 15, I'd be dead in a week, or at least have a dozen torn muscles.

Van...with all due respect, you must not be hardcore anymore then.  Please turn in your NO product along with your thong, oil, and tap out t-shirt at the front desk on your way out of the gym.  You can keep the Jay cutler mouth piece as a reminder of your shame.

[anabolichalo]

this dont look natural to me

[chaos]

this dont look natural to me

No shit!!





That shower curtain with that colored wall? Talk about unnatural!!

[Ropo]

30 years natural training isn't going to get you to a pro card unless you are 5'2' and compete in one of the lighter 2 classes. After 3 years you arn't gaining shit except quality in the muscle and that takes fucking years.

Endless storage of bullshit what you have there. You brats doesn't understand that as far as the amount of knowledge grows, different means to maintain muscle growth increase as well, meaning how to eat, how to train and how to recover. Like I say, most of you guys are only seeking for excuse to a. drop training altogether b. using drugs c. train like little bitches because "naturals can't grow". That is bullshit. You can get lots of mass without drugs, but it is hard as hell. That's why you are whining instead of doing it. Instead of whining, how about trying something new for a change, like using good form and perfect range of motion? For you, that would be first time.

[Krankenstein]

this dont look natural to me

Exactly.  As I have said now (lost count) 200mg/wk of Test cyp.  This is PRE HRT, jamaica, 216lbs bloated like a mother fucker after a shit load of desserts:

[Krankenstein]

No shit!!

That shower curtain with that colored wall? Talk about unnatural!!

LOL....I will drug test Mom ASAP

[anabolichalo]

Exactly.  As I have said now (lost count) 200mg/wk of Test cyp.  This is PRE HRT, jamaica, 216lbs bloated like a mother fucker after a shit load of desserts:

big pecs small arms

up the dose

[Krankenstein]

big pecs small arms

up the dose

Post a pic champ.