MMA legend says boxing is MUCH harder than MMA

[Darren Avey]

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[OneMoreRep]

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Jamie Hearn is not an MMA legend.

The guy only has about 10 fights under his belt with a 5-5 record and has never fought a big name fighter or even fought within the pro ranks.

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jamie-Hearn-37529

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[Donny]

Jamie Hearn is not an MMA legend.

The guy only has about 10 fights under his belt with a 5-5 record and has never fought a big name fighter or even fought without the pro ranks.

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jamie-Hearn-37529

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so you would take him out?

[OneMoreRep]

so you would take him out?

Whether I would take him out or not is irrelevant to the referenced comments.

He is stating that boxing is much harder than MMA, but coming from a guy that had a short lived career in amateur level MMA, it is stretch to take what he says seriously.  If he would have made it to the MMA pro ranks and faced guys that have been in the game for 10-20+ years, then his word would hold more weight, but he doesn't speak from experience in that sense.

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[Darren Avey]

Jamie Hearn i know personally and he is a fucking animal. He knows what hes talking about. I think Randy Couture also said boxing was harder than MMA and hed have never fought Tyson under any rules.

[OneMoreRep]

Jamie Hearn i know personally and he is a fucking animal. He knows what hes talking about. I think Randy Couture also said boxing was harder than MMA and hed have never fought Tyson under any rules.

But would you seriously consider him an MMA legend?  If so, under what standards?

Also, here is what happened when James Toney, who is big named boxing champion that was highly decorated, stepped into the ring with Couture:

Randy Couture wins battle of MMA vs. boxing

A boxer stepped into the octagon Saturday, and he was clearly out of his league.

 Decorated Ultimate Fighting Championship veteran Randy Couture needed only 15 seconds to shoot to the legs of former world champion boxer James Toney, taking him down and battering him until Toney tapped out in defeat at 3:19 of the first round in UFC 118 at Boston's TD Garden.


Couture said the advantage he knew he'd have on Toney "worked," as he immediately mounted Toney and unleashed multiple rights and lefts to the boxer's head. It never was the standup boxing match Toney had hoped for, and he's expected to return to boxing.

UFC officials called Toney, 42, the most decorated boxer ever to step into the octagon, having won titles in divisions ranging from middleweight to heavyweight. It didn't matter, with the 47-year-old Couture waiting, boasting five UFC titles and a veteran's desire to mute talk that a great boxer could step into the mixed martial arts octagon and defeat an MMA great.

 "All us MMA guys love boxing, and I hope now these boxers, like James, will love MMA," Couture said.

 Toney was itching to unleash a power punch in four-ounce UFC gloves, as opposed to the 10-ounce mitts he uses in boxing, but he was left to throw only soft punches while on his back.

 "I couldn't get off," Toney said. "Randy Couture's a great fighter."

 Couture decided the bout by squeezing his left arm around Toney's neck, a choke that forced Toney to tap out, with referee Mario Yamasaki stopping the heavyweight fight.


http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/28/sports/la-sp-ufc-toney-couture-20100829-21

Here's a short clip of that fight:

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[Donny]

so whats your record of Fights after all you are a Blue Star in Mma ...  apart from your BBJ stuff how hard are you?

[garebear]

I don't know. They both seem like total exertion.

Not sure why one would be harder than the other.

[OneMoreRep]

so whats your record of Fights after all you are a Blue Star in Mma ...  apart from your BBJ stuff how hard are you?

I am not a "blue star" in MMA.  I am not exactly sure what that means.

I am a Brown belt under Renzo Gracie and have been boxing since the age of 14 and I'm now 47.

I am NOT a professional fighter, nor do I claim to be "hard" or "tough".

I am just an avid fan of the sports and a practitioner at leisure.

Would I last in the ring with a professional MMA or boxing opponent?  Probably not.

Could I spar with a professional MMA fighter in BJJ and give them a little work?  Sure, I've done that before.  But I will not pretend in the slightest that I could hang with a pro-level fighter in the octagon or boxing ring.

Those guys are animals plain and simple.

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[Donny]

I am not a "blue star" in MMA.  I am not exactly sure what that means.

I am a Brown belt under Renzo Gracie and have been boxing since the age of 14 and I'm now 47.

I am NOT a professional fighter, nor do I claim to be "hard" or "tough".

I am just an avid fan of the sports and a practitioner at leisure.

Would I last in the ring with a professional MMA or boxing opponent?  Probably not.

Could I spar with a professional MMA fighter in BJJ and give them a little work?  Sure, I've done that before.  But I will not pretend in the slightest that I could hang with a pro-level fighter in the octagon or boxing ring.

Those guys are animals plain and simple.

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I would love to fight you no rules

[bradistani]

But would you seriously consider him an MMA legend?  If so, under what standards?

Also, here is what happened when James Toney, who is big named boxing champion that was highly decorated, stepped into the ring with Couture:

oh come on! he was fat, out of shape and more than well past it. in his prime he'd have knocked couture into the middle of next week.

[Rami]

it's harder on your brain

[bike nut]

I am not a "blue star" in MMA.  I am not exactly sure what that means.

I am a Brown belt under Renzo Gracie and have been boxing since the age of 14 and I'm now 47.

I am NOT a professional fighter, nor do I claim to be "hard" or "tough".

I am just an avid fan of the sports and a practitioner at leisure.

Would I last in the ring with a professional MMA or boxing opponent?  Probably not.

Could I spar with a professional MMA fighter in BJJ and give them a little work?  Sure, I've done that before.  But I will not pretend in the slightest that I could hang with a pro-level fighter in the octagon or boxing ring.

Those guys are animals plain and simple.

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How would James Toney have faired against an MMA fighter when he was in his prime? Same weight classes.

[OneMoreRep]

I would love to fight you no rules

Donny,

Everyone is welcome to fight me.  I've put this out to all of the tough guys on the board in the past.  I have an academy I fight in and will gladly set us up for 1-2 hours in vale tudo fighting (all goes).  We can fight until one of us taps out or simply gets knocked out.  Afterwards, we can go out and have a nice beer.

Whenever you decide to visit New York, let me know and we can set this up and tape it for the forum.

I'm always up for a good challenge,
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[OneMoreRep]

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How would James Toney have faired against an MMA fighter when he was in his prime? Same weight classes.

All things held equal, in my opinion:

Standing via strikes only, James in his prime would have knocked out any MMA pro fighter in his prime.

On the ground, any MMA pro fighter would have submit him, unless James received solid training in BJJ, then things could be very interesting.

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[Donny]

pay for my ticket and i will come

[NEXUS 6]

oh come on! he was fat, out of shape and more than well past it. in his prime he'd have knocked couture into the middle of next week.

it's not even that.

this is the dumbest argument on the net. put them in a boxing ring, and toney annihilates him.

apples and oranges.

That being said, put Couture in the ring with a Kiltchko, Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson , Jones Jr.  you know, someone who can get out of their own way. Instead of an obese, over the hill, puffed up middleweight.

[OneMoreRep]

pay for my ticket and i will come

I don't have to pay for your ticket.  You're the one wanting to fight me cowboy.

I only extended the offer to pay for a member's flight once and I stated that it would be the only time I would do so, because he and I had an extensive history here.  He was a forum bully who threatened to kill anyone who would dare step in his path and I made it clear that not everyone here is a coward.

You're just angry because we had a nice dispute and then got exposed with your true identity (so much so that you cleverly blocked your real email address in your personal profile).  Relax, learn to roll with the punches and know that none of this is personal.

If you don't like me, that's fine.  There's a line that goes around the corner of people that don't like me.  Just know, that I don't hold anything personal against you.

Lovingly yours,
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[Donny]

Well if you know who i am come over here to me. We can do it in Kenpokan Hannover.

[OneMoreRep]

Well if you know who i am come over here to me. We can do it in Kenpokan Hannover.

Donny,

I don't think you're quite understanding.

I have no desire to fight you.  You're the one that started with the homophobic insults towards me and then said you would "beat me up" or something to that extent.  In turn, I simply posted up your personal information (which you volunteered over the internet to begin with).

If you ever fly into the USA for leisure and decide to stop in NYC, I will gladly accommodate your request and fight you.

If you think I am going to waste my time and money to fly over to fight you Donny, then you are sorely mistaken.

I have no desire to waste time fighting or arguing with such a passionate man as yourself Donny.

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[The Scott]

I am not a "blue star" in MMA.  I am not exactly sure what that means.

I am a Brown belt under Renzo Gracie and have been boxing since the age of 14 and I'm now 47.

I am NOT a professional fighter, nor do I claim to be "hard" or "tough".

I am just an avid fan of the sports and a practitioner at leisure.

Would I last in the ring with a professional MMA or boxing opponent?  Probably not.

Could I spar with a professional MMA fighter in BJJ and give them a little work?  Sure, I've done that before.  But I will not pretend in the slightest that I could hang with a pro-level fighter in the octagon or boxing ring.

Those guys are animals plain and simple.

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With regard to your final observation on the top guys in MMA this is why I find it repulsive.  It is nearly gladiatorial on both sides of the coin.  By that I mean the pariticipants and the "fans".   Boxing can be too but in general there is a reason why it has been called the "Sweet Science".    If I never see another MMA or Tap Out sticker on the rear window of some low life's truck it will be too soon.  The martial arts used to be about honor and defending yourself, now it seems its all about being an ill mannered bad ass.

Like in ancient Rome those that attend these "games" are there for blood.  They are more often than not less than human and their chosen sport is less than humane.  Just an observation from what some here might term a wimp  but in truth I find such sport to be the haven for cultural and societal philistines.

It is too brutal.  Too animalistic. Too much.  Why not just give them light armor and hand them swords or mace and chain along with a shield?  The winner would be determined by who lived.  If this keeps up, that is what it may well come to. 

[Donny]

Typical Gob shite. you talk big on the MMA treads but are nothing. Who the fuck are you to tell me anything? You say i was "exposed" all you did was google an email. I am getting sick of your fag talk, yeah you showed the internet Bully how hard you are. So hard in a PM you said you will inform RON. You are a mouth piece here and the most here know that. So shut your arse fag boy.

[Darren Avey]

Ill come to your New York gym ,not to fight you or anything cos id get my ass kicked but to train a bit, itd be awesome MMA gyms in England are shit.

[Radical Plato]

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What the fuck is Toney saying, seriously, whatever language he's talking isn't English, man, Boxing = brain damage by 40, the brain damage leads boxers to be so punchy you can't understand a word they are saying.

[OneMoreRep]

Typical Gob shite. you talk big on the MMA treads but are nothing. Who the fuck are you to tell me anything? You say i was "exposed" all you did was google an email. I am getting sick of your fag talk, yeah you showed the internet Bully how hard you are. So hard in a PM you said you will inform RON. You are a mouth piece here and the most here know that. So shut your arse fag boy.

I don't talk big in any MMA threads.  I simply provide basic commentary, simple as that.

I said to you that if you continue to send me death threats I would inform Ron of your childish behavior, in turn I could have simply posted all of your PM's here to show the forum how much of a child you are.

I will make another thread dedicated to you Donny, because I respect Darren Avery too much to continue your shit show here.

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