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« Reply #100 on: October 09, 2012, 05:05:51 PM »

Coach, explain the reason you do not see straight bar deads in the USA please?
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« Reply #101 on: October 09, 2012, 05:12:04 PM »

Maybe watch some of cresseys videos on how to Trap bar correctly. YOUR athletes will get faster doing them properly and not turning them into a sumo squat

I like Eric, but I'm not a big fan of internet gurus. Cressy got a degree and immediatly became on online persona. His methods are that much different than mine.
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« Reply #102 on: October 09, 2012, 05:15:40 PM »

Coach, explain the reason you do not see straight bar deads in the USA please?

?  See them all the time.  Trap bar is a piece of specialty equipment that hasn't saturated gyms yet.
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« Reply #103 on: October 09, 2012, 05:20:40 PM »

We have one in our gym but every gym I have trained at people train deads. That includes my university gyms.
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« Reply #104 on: October 09, 2012, 05:51:42 PM »

We have one in our gym but every gym I have trained at people train deads. That includes my university gyms.

I don't get what the problem is with the hex bar.   If somebody starts and can only lift 200lbs, then work up to 400lbs, they're stronger, and athletic performance can increase.

You can always go back to deadlifting with a straight bar, if you want.
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« Reply #105 on: October 09, 2012, 05:55:12 PM »

video of you pulling 425 unassisted on a straight bar or it didn't happen

I wouldn't be surprised if jaejonna could pull 425 with a little bit of work or even now. From what I remember of his pics he had pretty solid back and torso thickness.
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« Reply #106 on: October 09, 2012, 06:00:24 PM »

I wouldn't be surprised if jaejonna could suck a golf ball through a garden hose. From what I remember of his pics he had pretty beefy cheeks and good jaw thickness.

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« Reply #107 on: October 09, 2012, 06:13:50 PM »

I don't get what the problem is with the hex bar.   If somebody starts and can only lift 200lbs, then work up to 400lbs, they're stronger, and athletic performance can increase.

You can always go back to deadlifting with a straight bar, if you want.

I do not have a problem with it at all. I am wondering why normal deadlifts, according to Coach are rare in USA.
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« Reply #108 on: October 09, 2012, 06:33:20 PM »

I do not have a problem with it at all. I am wondering why normal deadlifts, according to Coach are rare in USA.

Did mean "you" as in you Ursus, sorry for the confusion.

I guess the way I look at it is, if normal deadlifts are rare, the hex is even more rare.

I guess it depends on the gym.  I was at a gym where the owners were strength, performance and injury recovery specialist, so it wasn't unusal to see any women training deadlifts, no matter what the age.

At Equinox, the trainers pushed them, but most people on their own seemed to ignore them.  I'd guess it's because they have a reputation for being dangerous, or they're just lazy.
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« Reply #109 on: October 09, 2012, 09:00:16 PM »

I do not have a problem with it at all. I am wondering why normal deadlifts, according to Coach are rare in USA.

I think you misunderstood. I meant straight bar dead are rarely used in college or even pro strength programs.
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« Reply #110 on: October 10, 2012, 09:02:28 AM »

See I don't understand that as the DL is the core of power and strength training in my mind.

I also agree hex bar is very rare
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« Reply #111 on: October 10, 2012, 10:17:21 AM »

See I don't understand that as the DL is the core of power and strength training in my mind.

I also agree hex bar is very rare

Not disagreeing but using a hex with high level athletes cuts the risk of injury waaay down. To many injury risks associated with straight bar which is why it isn't used much with athletes. O-lifts are the primary power movements for athletes, why? Because O-lifts will get you one hell of a lot more explosive than power lifting movements.
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« Reply #112 on: October 10, 2012, 11:13:18 AM »

For sports like soccer, getting better at soccer will make you a better player but IMO strength means very little indeed in this sport. However if I had teh choice to be an average player with average strength or an average player with good strength you can bet what I would take.
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« Reply #113 on: October 10, 2012, 05:41:32 PM »

I wouldn't be surprised if jaejonna could pull 425 with a little bit of work or even now. From what I remember of his pics he had pretty solid back and torso thickness.
425 once ? Cmon ...i dont even deadlift every week, but I can def pull that up one time without straps ..hahahahha
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« Reply #114 on: October 10, 2012, 06:05:01 PM »

i bet half of the jagoffs on this board couldn't pull that without straps...


Nor can they play soccer as well...or even manage to stay within 10 feet from this guy during a 90 min game.
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« Reply #115 on: October 10, 2012, 06:14:51 PM »

425 once ? Cmon ...i dont even deadlift every week, but I can def pull that up one time without straps ..hahahahha

video of you pulling 425 unassisted on a straight bar or it didn't happen
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« Reply #116 on: October 10, 2012, 07:38:09 PM »

video of you pulling 425 unassisted on a straight bar or it didn't happen
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« Reply #117 on: October 10, 2012, 07:41:08 PM »

Nor can they play soccer as well...or even manage to stay within 10 feet from this guy during a 90 min game.

True, this kids conditioning is off the hook.
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« Reply #118 on: October 10, 2012, 07:45:47 PM »

425 once ? Cmon ...i dont even deadlift every week, but I can def pull that up one time without straps ..hahahahha
LOL @ bragging about pulling 425 and throwing in the "without straps" line at the end. Grin
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« Reply #119 on: October 10, 2012, 08:07:42 PM »

For sports like soccer, getting better at soccer will make you a better player but IMO strength means very little indeed in this sport. However if I had teh choice to be an average player with average strength or an average player with good strength you can bet what I would take.

It's not technique vs speed vs endurance. If there's any area you can improve on you should work on it. It will make you a better player. There shouldn't even be any discussion about it.
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« Reply #120 on: October 11, 2012, 04:08:07 AM »

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LOL @ bragging about pulling 425 and throwing in the "without straps" line at the end. Grin

doubt this queer has touched a weight in years... unless you count his mom's little pink dumbbells
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« Reply #121 on: October 11, 2012, 10:11:02 AM »

It's not technique vs speed vs endurance. If there's any area you can improve on you should work on it. It will make you a better player. There shouldn't even be any discussion about it.

Exactly what I said however for soccer skill will beat speed and strength 9 time out of 10
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« Reply #122 on: October 11, 2012, 07:18:39 PM »

Exactly what I said however for soccer skill will beat speed and strength 9 time out of 10

fine, but you're not making a point... skill + speed&strength is better than skill alone
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« Reply #123 on: October 11, 2012, 10:53:39 PM »

Exactly what I said however for soccer skill will beat speed and strength 9 time out of 10

I think you maybe missing the point. Part of skill is speed, strength is just as important as skill for the reduction of injury. What good is skill if you're injured?
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« Reply #124 on: October 12, 2012, 12:22:31 AM »

I think you maybe missing the point. Part of skill is speed, strength is just as important as skill for the reduction of injury. What good is skill if you're injured?

If you were concerned with injury prevention you wouldn't
do those box squats.

Not doing barbell deads for fear of injury is complete BS.
Why not switch regular squats to hip-belt squats... I mean you don't
want to hurt that fragile lower back. I see way more lower back tweaks from squats than I ever did from deads.
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