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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2012, 02:32:28 PM »
The facts:
According to Democratic House Oversight Committee staff, the amount that the GOP-led House passed for two accounts that pay for embassy security in fiscal 2012 ($2.311 billion) was $330 million less than the Obama administration had requested ($2.641 billion).
A GOP House Appropriations Committee aide confirmed the House bill had less in these accounts than what the administration requested.
However, the final bill, after being worked on by the Democratic-led Senate, put in more money than what had passed in the House. The final bill, which passed with bipartisan support, gave a total of $2.37 billion to these accounts for fiscal 2012 -- about $270 million less than what the administration had requested.

From the Congressional Hearings....

At a hearing of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform on October 10th, Representative Darrell Issa, Republican of California and the committee’s chairman, talked of “examining security failures that led to the Benghazi tragedy.” He said lawmakers had an obligation to protect federal workers overseas.

On “Face The Nation” on October 14th, Issa did say that if more money was truly needed for embassy security, “Congress would respond.” But he also stressed that he didn’t see money as the reason behind the security failures in Libya: “In the case of our committee, we’re recognizing that there was 2.2 billion dollars in a discretionary fund that could have been used for security, still could be used for security enhancements throughout the region. Plus, the DOD, the military, if we need these things to keep our diplomats safe in these countries, we need to start spending that money and not claim that we don’t have enough money.”

Issa went on to note that Charlene Lamb, the State Department official who fielded security requests from the Libya U.S. diplomatic officials had said that money wasn’t the reason for the slim security in Libya. Consider this exchange from the congressional hearing on Libya last week:

“It has been suggested that budget cuts are responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi, and I’d like to ask Miss Lamb,” said Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R., Calif.). “You made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which lead you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

“No, sir,” said Lamb.

During the hearings, Elijah Cummings, a Democratic congressman from Maryland and ranking member of the House Oversight Committee, tried to make the GOP funding cuts a major issue — only to be foiled by Lamb’s response in her exchange with Rohrabacher.

It wasn’t insufficient funds that emerged as the key problem in the hearings; instead, it was the State Department’s refusal to acknowledge that the level of danger in Libya warranted additional security — possibly because of the pressure to not make the decision to get involved in Libya look like a debacle. “In those conversations, I recall I was specifically told you cannot request a SST [Site Security Team] extension,” Eric Nordstrom, who was a regional security officer at the State Department who had been stationed in Libya for several months and had made security requests, testified last week about his conversations with Charlene Lamb. “How I interpreted that was that there was going to be too much political costs, or for some reason, there was hesitancy on that.”



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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2012, 02:53:00 PM »
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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2012, 02:53:52 PM »
It is pretty simple if you have a firm understanding of economics.

Bill Clinton was absolutely in the right place at the right time, and was no dobut the beneficiary of Reagan's "Trickle Down" Economics taking a firm hold.

How long do you think it truly takes for an economic plan to take full effect?  Hmmmm....about 8-12 years???

So we are saying that Obama's economic upswing won't be fully realized for another 4-8 years?

Interesting.


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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2012, 04:02:17 PM »
Didn't see but....who cares. The entire left lost credibility a loooooong time.ago.

Didn't see it? but who cares? my god your a fucking moron, please don't vote. Stay home and listen to rush.

You are the sheep we speak of, you only listen to right wing bullshit (no left wing bullshit) but fall for it. You are a christian also, which explains a lot.

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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2012, 04:42:12 PM »
So we are saying that Obama's economic upswing won't be fully realized for another 4-8 years?

Interesting.



The difference is that Obama doesn't have nor has ever had an economic plan.

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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2012, 04:46:37 PM »
The difference is that Obama doesn't have nor has ever had an economic plan.

That's not true... You may not agree with it, but the stimulus, was in fact, part of a plan.

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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2012, 05:38:41 PM »
Not bad. She's falling on her sword. Pretty sure reduced security for US consulates, worldwide, was a Republican 'budgetary' policy initiative. But that was a while ago, so I'm sure you've forgotten.    ;)

State department testified that budgetary matters had nothing to do with security levels. 

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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2012, 05:39:44 PM »
Not bad. She's falling on her sword. Pretty sure reduced security for US consulates, worldwide, was a Republican 'budgetary' policy initiative. But that was a while ago, so I'm sure you've forgotten.    ;)

The $2 billion they have a sitting in account for security measures says otherwise.


I find it funny that the same people who criticize defense and military spending for being too high are now advocating for more defense and military spending because Obama has been backed into a corner as a result of his pussy-whipped pandering to Islamists. Haha.

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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #58 on: October 17, 2012, 01:12:45 AM »
The $2 billion they have a sitting in account for security measures says otherwise.


I find it funny that the same people who criticize defense and military spending for being too high are now advocating for more defense and military spending because Obama has been backed into a corner as a result of his pussy-whipped pandering to Islamists. Haha.

What a pathetic post ::)

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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #59 on: October 17, 2012, 01:15:40 AM »
Well looks like someone needs to open some books, especially history books.

I ll make it quick and simple for you tho; what happen when you suddenly have 4 people and only enough food / ressources for only one?

We ve created generations of spoiled immature kids who have no idea what's coming their way, a disaster built by those who were supposed to take care of their future.
Plus they don't pray enough, right?

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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #60 on: October 18, 2012, 08:42:40 AM »
lol you re a moron, i didnt repeat myself cause i mentioned it so many times...

Europe economy is collapsing, usa economy is right behind, then asia/china have nobody to buy their shit anymore. Tons of people lose their jobs but those who work in security, food and clothes production, there's an hyperinflation and bills arent worth the paper they re printed on anymore. Nanny states cant pay retired people and fire most of their employees.. Throw in some muslim headcases, racial/ethnic urban wars in most occidental countries between white and colored middle and lower classes, and you get the picture. And i m not going to develop the fact that tons of youths are formed for jobs that are useless in the west and will be even more useless during a global recession/depression.
Last fatherless , depressed spoiled raised by batshit crazy leftist feminist women generations are used to nanny states and having everything for nothing, playing video games all day long while getting welfare checks, but all this "lalaland"  is built on emptiness, vacuity, and the rich people who are cautious not to let know the morons from down below what's going to hit them are preparing their nests in secure places while the average joe is going to struggle more and more every single day to put food on the table. Lots of angry, frustrated, uneducated people who want to find a scapegoat as hunger grows...who all think they re tough guys cause they spent the last 40 years admiring action movies heroes...

It's has alrdy begun and it's going to last at least one or two decades, but who knows. Basically if you or your parents dont own shit, worse if you have debts, you re screwed.
Most realistic thinkers are now convinced we re going to face a global de-civilization process with no end in sight, basically returning to the middle age for a while before a new kind of society emerges, IF a new society successfuly emerges, but nothing is certain. Obviously, a lot of people wont be part of this new society. Let's not forget that nowadays most people in occident are faithless -but muslims- and would sell their mother to buy the last pair of shoes or videogame... A kind of free for all like we ve never seen before.

Religion actually gave a meaning to people lives, to the past, present, and future , explained their place in the big picture, nowadays people believe in "nothing" but their own self satisfaction and gratification thru material goods and a blind, animalistic race for more money that dont even make them any happier, and as a result dont even reproduce nor take care of their kids if they have any. And they re facing an ever growing number of fanatical islamists worldwide who catter to most of those in the west who are nostalgic of past socialo communist "experiences", andwho swore it is as "announced" their time to "conquer the world".

Some truth in what you say, but not the whole truth.

The economy is not collapsing, it's correcting itself. For years the Western nations have been gouging the productive to fund the unproductive. You're correct that we've raised whole generations on a diet of government hand holding, and that cannot continue. Hence you have Greece, Spain, Italy and the likes seeing mass austerity measures. What these stupid rioting fucks cannot understand that 70-80% of the population cannot exist working for the public sector (it's 72% in Greece irrc), and tap up the private sector to fund them, this cannot continue and it's coming to pass now. Even here in the UK the Conservative government is about to cut benefits, forcing people out to work. We're now onto our 3rd generation here of people never having to lift a finger, and we've had stories here of the same family members of 3 generations never working. They're about to have the carpet pulled from under them within the next 10 years. That's why you'll see rioting and demonstrations, not because the economy is collapsing.

Also wildly inaccurate about those who work in food production and security being safe jobs. Infrastructure is huge. Massive. Alternative energies. Transport. These are all industries on the up.

You're a bit of a doom prophet aren't you?
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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2012, 08:44:32 AM »
Plus they don't pray enough, right?



He's not totally wrong, but he takes it too far. There's hundreds or thousands of jobs available in the UK alone. It's just easier for people to do the bare minimum and cruise along on welfare.

It's a mindset we have to change first.
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Re: Bill Clinton Trashes Romney
« Reply #62 on: October 18, 2012, 11:44:02 AM »



LOL!!!!!!!

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