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« on: November 08, 2014, 06:26:52 PM »

would love to see troy tulo in yankees uniform,,,need some star or future star power,,reports are that a-rod is the only star left to ignite crowds again to fill ball park ,,stay tuned..
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2014, 08:58:08 AM »

I hear you.  Tulo would be pretty cool, albeit yet another 20m per year contract for the next five years, 14, then an option.

Tanaka / Ellsbury are pretty decent star power, and Tiexiera/Sabbathia would be if they didn't regress so much.  Have to hope Tiexiera follows the pattern of being better after a full year from wrist surgery.

Right now I have the feeling Yankees won't make any big moves, but we shall see.  I'd like it if the did and we had a rotation of Scherzer/Tanaka/Pineda then some combo of McCarthy/Greene/Sabbathia/Nova.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2014, 09:18:06 AM »

I hear you.  Tulo would be pretty cool, albeit yet another 20m per year contract for the next five years, 14, then an option.

Tanaka / Ellsbury are pretty decent star power, and Tiexiera/Sabbathia would be if they didn't regress so much.  Have to hope Tiexiera follows the pattern of being better after a full year from wrist surgery.

Right now I have the feeling Yankees won't make any big moves, but we shall see.  I'd like it if the did and we had a rotation of Scherzer/Tanaka/Pineda then some combo of McCarthy/Greene/Sabbathia/Nova.
rotation for once has infinite scenarios,bullpen is solid as well,,,they will focus on offense this year..
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2014, 09:36:29 AM »

rotation for once has infinite scenarios,bullpen is solid as well,,,they will focus on offense this year..

You are probably right - but they will need to lock down Robertson to keep the bullpen strong, and/or possibly add Andrew Miller.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2014, 10:39:47 PM »

Scherzer? Did I miss something?

It was just me adding to my Yankees wish list.  Popular thought doesn't have the Yankees spending big $$ on another pitcher.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2014, 04:08:38 PM »

The best pitching rotation in New York next year will be playing at Citi Field, not that place in the Bronx.

Harvey needs to bounce back,  Wheeler and DeGromm have to avoid sophomore slumps... Syndergaard has to have immediate impact....

It's not a lock at all.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2014, 04:16:51 PM »

The best pitching rotation in New York next year will be playing at Citi Field, not that place in the Bronx.
agreed and if m cudyeuer can stay healthy ...
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2014, 10:25:16 AM »

Harvey needs to bounce back,  Wheeler and DeGromm have to avoid sophomore slumps... Syndergaard has to have immediate impact....

It's not a lock at all.


All that pitching and they are moving the fences in...
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2014, 11:02:20 AM »

Of course not. There are no locks in baseball. That is a lot of good young pitching though.

The Yankees rotation has similar potential if things fall correctly too.  Will be intersting.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2014, 04:05:27 PM »

how in heaven's name were the Yankees able to replace Derek's negative fWAR? Huh
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2014, 04:23:18 PM »

They already did.

Despite their troubles, they'll still likely finish ahead of Toronto again.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2014, 04:37:48 PM »

Derek's selfish farewell tour quite possibly cost the Yanks a wildcard last season.
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2014, 05:38:18 PM »

Derek's selfish farewell tour quite possibly cost the Yanks a wildcard last season.

Yeah, losing their entire pitching staff for most of year had nothing to do with it.  It was all the tour.   Roll Eyes


I'm sure they'd have easily replaced him with a 4+ WAR player had other teams not given him gifts.
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2014, 08:20:01 PM »

Yeah, losing their entire pitching staff for most of year had nothing to do with it.  It was all the tour.   Roll Eyes


I'm sure they'd have easily replaced him with a 4+ WAR player had other teams not given him gifts.

the gifts were irrelevant; it was having to play the legend as their everyday shortstop that hurt.

half of the starting shortstops in baseball would've given the Yanks enough WAR to be right there on the final day of the season.
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2014, 08:28:59 PM »

the gifts were irrelevant; it was having to play the legend as their everyday shortstop that hurt.

half of the starting shortstops in baseball would've given the Yanks enough WAR to be right there on the final day of the season.

There's maybe four that support your argument.  And that would require them to be there for the full year.   Which ones were readily available to replace Jeter?

Shame on the Yankees for not identifying them in the pre season, then easily acquiring them, and benching Jeter in his final season.
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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2014, 08:44:38 PM »

no, shame on Jeter (not the Yankees) for putting himself before the team.

fangraphs ranks the 22 regular shortstops last season ... no surprise that Jeter was last.  half of them (11 of the 22) would've given the Yanks 3 more WAR than Derek provided ... and since the Yanks finished 4 games out, could've made for a very interesting last couple of games ...

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0
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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2014, 09:07:03 PM »

no, shame on Jeter (not the Yankees) for putting himself before the team.

fangraphs ranks the 22 regular shortstops last season ... no surprise that Jeter was last.  half of them (11 of the 22) would've given the Yanks 3 more WAR than Derek provided ... and since the Yanks finished 4 games out, could've made for a very interesting last couple of games ...

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

WAR is cumulative.  They would have had to play the entire year.   And they'd likely still have fallen short, since it's directional, and not an exact science.  You're grasping at straws.

In his last season pre injury, he had a 114 OPS+.   But you're laying out a scenario where, despite that, the Yankees should have pulled the plug on him in the first month of the season, then magically acquired a SS at that time (because, you know, they can just get anyone they want in an instant  Roll Eyes), and sat him the remainder.

It would be better if you just said you can't stand Jeter, and that you'll bend anything to fit your argument.  The trouble is, it's not based in reality.

You have bigger things to worry about with your team.
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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2014, 09:21:28 PM »

well, we AGREE that the Yankees could use another starter and that Scherzer sounds very nice ...
so might as well give Scott Boras a number of blank post-dated cheques because whatever numbers he fills in will still look good compared to what the Yankees are on the hook for Arod, CC, Tex and even Beltran ...
(not to mention the uncertainty with Tanaka inevitably going under the knife.)
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2014, 09:54:33 PM »

Scherzer would be a great add, but I'm not sure they're going to saddle themselves with another long term deal.  Even if they did, they're not a lock for a playoff spot.

They're going to need bounce back years from a number of players in addition to their staff staying healthy.  Lots of risk in that team.

The money comments don't bother me.  If they spend 300 million and win a championship, it won't have an asterisk and it will still count.
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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2014, 10:16:40 PM »

The money comments don't bother me.  If they spend 300 million and win a championship, it won't have an asterisk and it will still count.

you're right that there'll be no asterisk, but it makes ya wonder why Billy Beane gets so much praise for never having won a championship? ... even gets a successful Hollywood movie made about him starring Brad Pitt lol ... why not make one for Cashman or Steinbrenner for all the Yankees success?  Americans love winners, don't they?
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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2014, 08:09:30 AM »

you're right that there'll be no asterisk, but it makes ya wonder why Billy Beane gets so much praise for never having won a championship? ... even gets a successful Hollywood movie made about him starring Brad Pitt lol ... why not make one for Cashman or Steinbrenner for all the Yankees success?  Americans love winners, don't they?

Billy Beane has never won anything.  Yeah, for awhile he was able to capitalize on undervalued metrics, but unfortunately it hasn't produced anything.  The movie was good though.

A Cashman movie?   Americans love winners?  Do Canadians love losers?  Were you drinking last night?
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2014, 08:27:25 PM »

watched an interesting roundatable after wintermeeting,,verducci/costas/ripken 'billy'nerdy fox analyst forgot name'he works field during games
talking about parity,,and how there will be no multi world series champs like 2 or 3 in a row,,,so many competive teams and payrolls mean shit nowadays..yankees /boston/la/dodgers have got to level off,and get better moves/sighning/younger...yanks seem to be following trend finally.probably will cost them contention for top spots for a while...the analysts feel it does baseball better than say example yankess/redsox and then everyone else...but us yankees fans hate sitting on the sidelines watching mediorcre ball...
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2014, 01:38:12 PM »

The Yankees decided to over pay for Chase Headley today so that should take them out of the Scherzer sweepstakes.
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2014, 01:41:20 PM »

The Yankees decided to over pay for Chase Headley today so that should take them out of the Scherzer sweepstakes.
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