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Let's see if the media actually does its job.  Only thing that concerns me is this could fall off the radar before the election if the UE rate drops next week. 

When does the next report come out?  The day before or the day of election?
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When does the next report come out?  The day before or the day of election?

I think it's Friday, 2 November?  But definitely before the election. 

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 The most horrific thing in regards to this event is the fact tha.t just hours after the attack Obama went to a fund raiser with jay z and beyonce.. This says a lot about the man.. Stay in dc and talk with security advisors? No way..  Have to hang with Hollywood.. Even after advisors said that it would awful he still went.. Un real..

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The most horrific thing in regards to this event is the fact tha.t just hours after the attack Obama went to a fund raiser with jay z and beyonce.. This says a lot about the man.. Stay in dc and talk with security advisors? No way..  Have to hang with Hollywood.. Even after advisors said that it would awful he still went.. Un real..

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The most horrific thing in regards to this event is the fact tha.t just hours after the attack Obama went to a fund raiser with jay z and beyonce.. This says a lot about the man.. Stay in dc and talk with security advisors? No way..  Have to hang with Hollywood.. Even after advisors said that it would awful he still went.. Un real..

Agree.  Very poor leadership.

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 Honestly..Poor leadership yes., but it also comes down to pure narcissism .. He wants the celebrity more than the presidency.. A president stays behind and works on the issues at hand.. Obama truly wanted to hang out with stars and get the attention he craves.. The attack was just a " issue" that could be dealt with at a later time.. Sick..

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Cue getbig's only self described pacifist soldier garebear to explain why this is all a huge misunderstanding.

It was the youtube video!

Islamophobia!

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BOMBSHELL: US Troops Wouldn't Have Been Painting Targets on Ground Unless There Was Air Support..
Gateway Pundit ^ | October 26, 2012 | Jim Hoft
Posted on October 26, 2012 9:30:35 PM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet

BOMBSHELL: US troops in Benghazi would not have been painting targets on the ground unless there was air support overhead. But someone called it off – And the decision most likely came from the White House.

FOX News reported earlier today that security officers on the ground in Benghazi had a laser planted on a target that was firing on the annex.

The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.

So there were two drones in the air recording the attack on the ground. And now we know the CIA team at the annex was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. The White House was able to watch the attack live back in Washington DC. Yet, yesterday Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said this,

“The U.S. military did not get involved during the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya, last month because officials did not have enough information about what was going on before the attack was over.”

How much more information did they need?

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Then there’s this bombshell at BlackFive from a former Delta operator:

Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.

One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint” a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.

Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.

If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.

If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!

This is HUGE. It should be obvious by now that someone is not telling the truth. As Blackfive says,

“This is bigger than Watergate!… The worst has to be the team on the ground knowing that the President just left you to die.“

A caller today discussed this with Rush Limbaugh.

(VIDEO AT LINK)

Here is part of that conversation.

CALLER: Well, there’s three networks, Rush. The e-mails that have been released are unclassified e-mails. On the top secret side, a flash traffic message from the embassy Tripoli to the White House Situation Room, it’s like an IM. I mean, it’s immediately responded to. You have to acknowledge receipt of it. Okay? So it’s immediate. It gets to the person, the watch officer sitting there, boom, flashes on his screen, he has to acknowledge receipt. And then there’s a protocol for who he then sends it to. He physically turns to someone, the senior guy on watch, “This is a critical element of information. POTUS needs to hear this,” and that’s what would have happened.

So no one in the White House can deny that — well, they can deny it, but the fact is the protocol says someone marched their happy little ass up to the senior guy standing next to POTUS and said, “Sir, ambassador in Libya is in peril.” And if he was missing, that is even a higher precedence. And then the chain would have also gone out automatically to the geographic combatant commander, AFRICOM, and he would have then turned to his special operations commander and said, “I want the In-Extremis Force, you know, strip ready in five minutes.” And evidently they were strip ready in Sigonella and they would have the assets to penetrate the airspace, you know, an MC-130 papa, which is a C-130 specially equipped with electronic countermeasures. They didn’t need permission to enter Libyan airspace, okay?

I’m giving you a lot of Inside Baseball stuff, and maybe putting myself in a little peril by doing it, but the In-Extremis Force, they would have been chomping at the bit to do this. It was turned down, POTUS, at his five p.m. Eastern time meeting with the principals, that’s when he put the kibosh on everything. It was a conscious act. It has to be because, you know, the In-Extremis Force is required to be prepared to do In-Extremis non-combatant evacuation operations for its geographic responsibility, the entire continent of Africa. So there’s always somebody ready to go, and the aircraft are always prepared to go.

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Cue getbig's only self described pacifist soldier garebear to explain why this is all a huge misunderstanding.

It was the youtube video!

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Wonder why "slyy" isn't commenting on this and instead trolls me on every political thread.

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Wonder why "slyy" isn't commenting on this and instead trolls me on every political thread.

 ;D

This is the 2nd post of the thread.  Looks like I own your baby brain.

Slyy will want more proof ::)


No one is alleging the stupidity you alleged.  Why would I ask for proof in this thread?

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This is the 2nd post of the thread.  Looks like I own your baby brain.



Not really, I just feel compelled when i come on.here and you make it so obvious.

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Not really, I just feel compelled when i come on.here and you make it so obvious.

What percentage of my posts are directly answering your stupidity?  I will question anybody who makes a stupid statement.  You just happen to be the leader of stupid, uneducated posts.

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What percentage of my posts are directly answering your stupidity?  I will question anybody who makes a stupid statement.  You just happen to be the leader of stupid, uneducated posts.

No...I've called this "president" out and have been correct about 95% of the time since he was elected.  You just refuse to think your boy has fucked up since the beginning. I said it once and I'll say it again, libs lack.of commonsense is laughable. When they can't defend their agenda, they attack. They can't defend the obvious.

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No...I've called this "president" out and have been correct about 95% of the time since he was elected.  You just refuse to think your boy has fucked up since the beginning. I said it once and I'll say it again, libs lack.of commonsense is laughable. When they can't defend their agenda, they attack. They can't defend the obvious.

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Let's see if the media actually does its job. Only thing that concerns me is this could fall off the radar before the election if the UE rate drops next week.  

1) I disagree.  The job of any media company is to make money for its shareholders.  There is no moral or ethical guideline followed by anyone to get to 'the truth'.  They cover stories deemed appropriate by their mgmt that will sell commercials/print.

That being said, it's fucking awesome to see AOL news with the embassy attack details as the #1 AOL news story tonight.  THey're doing the RIGHT thing covering this - not the it's their job - but it's nice to see anyway.  Shit needs to be investigated indepdenetly.

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BOMBSHELL: US Troops Wouldn't Have Been Painting Targets on Ground Unless There Was Air Support..
Gateway Pundit ^ | October 26, 2012 | Jim Hoft
Posted on October 26, 2012 9:30:35 PM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet

BOMBSHELL: US troops in Benghazi would not have been painting targets on the ground unless there was air support overhead. But someone called it off – And the decision most likely came from the White House.

FOX News reported earlier today that security officers on the ground in Benghazi had a laser planted on a target that was firing on the annex.

The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.

So there were two drones in the air recording the attack on the ground. And now we know the CIA team at the annex was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. The White House was able to watch the attack live back in Washington DC. Yet, yesterday Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said this,

“The U.S. military did not get involved during the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya, last month because officials did not have enough information about what was going on before the attack was over.”

How much more information did they need?

* * * * *

Then there’s this bombshell at BlackFive from a former Delta operator:

Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.

One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint” a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.

Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.

If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.

If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!

This is HUGE. It should be obvious by now that someone is not telling the truth. As Blackfive says,

“This is bigger than Watergate!… The worst has to be the team on the ground knowing that the President just left you to die.“

A caller today discussed this with Rush Limbaugh.

(VIDEO AT LINK)

Here is part of that conversation.

CALLER: Well, there’s three networks, Rush. The e-mails that have been released are unclassified e-mails. On the top secret side, a flash traffic message from the embassy Tripoli to the White House Situation Room, it’s like an IM. I mean, it’s immediately responded to. You have to acknowledge receipt of it. Okay? So it’s immediate. It gets to the person, the watch officer sitting there, boom, flashes on his screen, he has to acknowledge receipt. And then there’s a protocol for who he then sends it to. He physically turns to someone, the senior guy on watch, “This is a critical element of information. POTUS needs to hear this,” and that’s what would have happened.

So no one in the White House can deny that — well, they can deny it, but the fact is the protocol says someone marched their happy little ass up to the senior guy standing next to POTUS and said, “Sir, ambassador in Libya is in peril.” And if he was missing, that is even a higher precedence. And then the chain would have also gone out automatically to the geographic combatant commander, AFRICOM, and he would have then turned to his special operations commander and said, “I want the In-Extremis Force, you know, strip ready in five minutes.” And evidently they were strip ready in Sigonella and they would have the assets to penetrate the airspace, you know, an MC-130 papa, which is a C-130 specially equipped with electronic countermeasures. They didn’t need permission to enter Libyan airspace, okay?

I’m giving you a lot of Inside Baseball stuff, and maybe putting myself in a little peril by doing it, but the In-Extremis Force, they would have been chomping at the bit to do this. It was turned down, POTUS, at his five p.m. Eastern time meeting with the principals, that’s when he put the kibosh on everything. It was a conscious act. It has to be because, you know, the In-Extremis Force is required to be prepared to do In-Extremis non-combatant evacuation operations for its geographic responsibility, the entire continent of Africa. So there’s always somebody ready to go, and the aircraft are always prepared to go.
If this can be confirmed...... Holy fucking shit.

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If this can be confirmed...... Holy fucking shit.

Yet Slyy is still going to dismiss what I've been saying. (and I'm the crazy one)

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Yet Slyy is still going to dismiss what I've been saying. (and I'm the crazy one)

If you have any confirmed facts from a credible source regarding your allegations in your "Integrity" thread, please share them Coach.  I have no clue where you got the idea that I would dismiss confirmed facts from a credible source.  I never said the President was right or wrong with regard to the Benghazi incident.  I AM saying that thus far, your allegations are baseless and merely a result of your imagination.   

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I wanna know two things...

1) WHO made that call to deny them help, and

2) WHY was that call made? 

Hilary/obama/whoever made the call... and it was done in order to prevent an 'incident'?    I'd like to know with a little more detail than that.  It's easy to say "Obama wanted an attack", but then obama denied it was an attack, so it's hard to argue both ways. 

Do we have these answers yet with proof?  WHO denied it, and WHY?

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Washington (CNN) -- Two hours after first being notified of an attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, a government e-mail to the White House, the State Department and the FBI said an Islamist group had claimed credit, according to a copy obtained by CNN.

An initial e-mail was sent while the attack was still underway, and another that arrived two hours later -- sent from a State Department address to various government agencies including the executive office of the president -- identified Ansar al-Sharia as claiming responsibility for the attack on its Facebook page and on Twitter.

The group denied responsibility the next day.

However, the e-mails raise further questions about the seeming confusion on the part of the Obama administration to determine the nature of the September 11 attack that left U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans dead.

Two White House officials, speaking on condition of not being identified on Wednesday, said the government e-mails about the attack were not an intelligence assessment. They also noted that there was conflicting information about Ansar al-Sharia denying responsibility.

"They were a part of the many different reports we were receiving that day," one of the White House officials said of the e-mails. "There are always multiple and conflicting reports in the initial hours of an attack. That's why you have an investigation."

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton advised reporters to wait until a review panel she appointed to investigate what happened completed its work.

"The Independent Accountability Review Board is already hard at work looking at everything, not cherry picking one story here or one document there but looking at everything, which I highly recommend as the appropriate approach to something as complex an attack like this," Clinton said Wednesday.

"You know, posting something on Facebook is not in and of itself evidence. I think it just underscores how fluid the reporting was at the time and continued for some time to be," Clinton said.

She repeated her earlier pledge to "take whatever measures are necessary to fix anything that needs to be fixed, and we will bring those to justice who committed these murders."

Meanwhile, White House spokesman Jay Carney noted the e-mail about the claim of responsiblity "was an open-source, unclassified e-mail referring to an assertion made on a social media site that everyone in this room had access to and knew about instantaneously."

Carney added that "the whole point of an intelligence community and what they do is to assess strands of information and make judgments about what happened and who was responsible."

The day after the attack took place, President Barack Obama referred to it as an "act of terror."

What the administration has said

But in the following days, Carney maintained there was no evidence suggesting the attack was "planned or imminent."

In attack aftermath, disagreement over how it began

The administration also suggested that an anti-Muslim video produced in the United States likely fueled a spontaneous demonstration in Benghazi as it had in Cairo, where the U.S. Embassy also was attacked.

Clinton, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland and Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, all cited the video as a motivating factor in the attack.

On September 13 -- two days after the attack -- a senior U.S. official told CNN that the violence in Libya was not the work of "an innocent mob."

"The video or 9/11 made a handy excuse and could be fortuitous from their perspective, but this was a clearly planned military-type attack," the official said.

However, it wasn't until September 19 that Matthew Olsen, the nation's counterterrorism chief, told senators that it was a terrorist attack. The next day, Carney also said it was "self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack."

The e-mails obtained by CNN provide additional insight into the Benghazi attack.

The first one, sent at 4:05 p.m. ET, or 10:05 p.m. in Libya, described a diplomatic mission under attack.

"Approximately 20 armed people fired shots; explosions have been heard as well," the e-mail said. Stevens and four other mission staff were in the compound safe haven, it added.

Less than an hour later, at 4:54 p.m. ET, another e-mail reported "firing at the U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi has stopped and the compound has been cleared." It said a search was underway for consulate personnel.

The final e-mail, at 6:07 p.m., noted the claim of responsibility for the attack. The subject line said: "Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack."

"Embassy Tripoli reports the group claimed responsibility on Facebook and Twitter and has called for an attack on Embassy Tripoli," the e-mail said.

The Facebook claim of involvement was subsequently denied by the group at a news conference in the following days, but not very convincingly.

"We are saluting our people for this zeal in protecting their religion, to grant victory to the prophet," a spokesman for Ansar al-Sharia said at the time. "The response has to be firm."

It is common for one or more claims of responsibility to follow high-profile attacks on U.S. targets, and intelligence officials analyze them for validity before declaring any legitimate. For example, groups make false claims to seek publicity and raise their profile.

Analysts examine a group's history, whether it made previous claims that were legitimate, whether it has the capacity to carry out such an attack, and whether known members of the group participated in the attack in assessing the validity of claims of responsibility.

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If this can be confirmed...... Holy fucking shit.

If this can be confirmed, yes, it's a shocker. But so far, all I see is unnamed sources and innuendo; no facts. So I am reserving judgement until I get the facts. I'm pesky like that.

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If this can be confirmed, yes, it's a shocker. But so far, all I see is unnamed sources and innuendo; no facts. So I am reserving judgement until I get the facts. I'm pesky like that.

Does it matter, you see the email don't you? Do you think it's a fake? BTW, I posted this same thing a day or two ago.

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Does it matter, you see the email don't you? Do you think it's a fake? BTW, I posted this same thing a day or two ago.

Does what matter, exactly?

All I see is an (apparent photocopy of a mimeograph of a printout of an) "e-mail" that may or may not be authentic. I have no evidence one way or the other, and can't make an informed decision about it's authenticity. I am skeptical, if for no other reason because the language of the e-mail doesn't read like the typical language that would be employed in such communications.

Either way, I have no opinion on whether this is authentic or not.