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« on: March 13, 2014, 06:00:04 AM »

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-threatens-vetoes-of-bills-requiring-him-to-follow-the-law/article/2545545

Obama threatens vetoes of bills requiring him to follow the law

President Obama is threatening to veto a law that would allow Congress to sue him in federal courts for arbitrarily changing or refusing to enforce federal laws because it "violates the separation of powers" by encroaching on his presidential authority.

"[T]he power the bill purports to assign to Congress to sue the President over whether he has properly discharged his constitutional obligation to take care that the laws be faithfully executed exceeds constitutional limitations," the White House Office of Management and Budget said Wednesday in a statement of administration policy. "Congress may not assign such power to itself, nor may it assign to the courts the task of resolving such generalized political disputes."

The lead sponsor of the measure, Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., said it was designed to curb Obama's abuse of presidential authority, most notably in his frequent changes to Obamacare.

"We have pursued certain remedies afforded to Congress to address executive overreach but these efforts have been thwarted," Gowdy said. "This bill is necessary; it will give Congress the authority to defend this branch of government as the Framers and our fellow citizens would expect."

Obama also threatened to veto another bill by Rep. Ron DeSantis, R-Fla., which would require the administration to explain decisions not to enforce laws when those decisions are rooted in policy concerns rather than just constitutional concerns (which the Justice Department is already required to do).

"The American people deserve to know exactly which laws the Obama administration is refusing to enforce and why," DeSantis said when introducing his bill.

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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2014, 07:30:58 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2014, 07:37:39 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2014, 08:01:42 AM »

2nd bill sounds fine.  Why is Obama threatening to veto it?

Not sure about the first bill; Anyone know if the Constitution says anything about signing statements and rights of the executive branch to selectively enforce laws?

And, wait a sec, we're just talking about vetos, right?  Vetos CAN be overridden by congress, can't they? 
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2014, 11:58:10 AM »

To override a presidential veto, the dems would need to join and support the GOP.

Does anyone actually believe that Dems would push the issue against their messiah?

They haven't defended the constitution since the party was created.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2014, 12:05:27 PM »

To override a presidential veto, the dems would need to join and support the GOP.

Does anyone actually believe that Dems would push the issue against their messiah?

They haven't defended the constitution since the party was created.

Many Dems had no problem with the Clinton impeachment thing... and repubs had no problem attacking bush for the stim package.   They do turn on their own.
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2014, 12:12:20 PM »

To override a presidential veto, the dems would need to join and support the GOP.

Does anyone actually believe that Dems would push the issue against their messiah?

They haven't defended the constitution since the party was created.

Why wouldn't they?  Think about it.

Besides the fact that you're not paying close enough attention if you think all progressives love Obama, Dems might very well override such a veto because they're afraid of what President Paul or Cruz might do one day.

Back when Bush was setting records for how often he was using signing statements, it was commonly discussed on left-leaning websites like the Daily Kos that Bush was setting a precedent that conservatives would come to regret as soon as a lefty was in the White House.   

The valid and even astute observation was made that, no matter what the political affiliation, a President is highly unlikely to give up any powers his or her immediate predecessor enjoyed.
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2014, 12:13:15 PM »

Many Dems had no problem with the Clinton impeachment thing... and repubs had no problem attacking bush for the stim package.   They do turn on their own.

Not truthy enough for Dario, lol.
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2014, 12:24:29 PM »

Not truthy enough for Dario, lol.

Neither one of those cases have anything to do with separation powers. NONE OF THEM have to do with the violation of a president over extending his authority and deciding which law or what part of a law to enforce or not enforce.

Try again.

These democrats will not turn on their messiah when it comes to protecting the separation of powers.

Take your blinders off.

So far they are unwilling to find out what happened in Benghazi and rather sweep under the rug the IRS scandal because they don't want to know if the impropriety went all the way to the joker.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2014, 12:29:44 PM »

Many Dems had no problem with the Clinton impeachment thing...

Could you tell us how many Senate Democrats voted guilty?
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2014, 12:34:50 PM »

Could you tell us how many Senate Democrats voted guilty?

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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2014, 12:48:36 PM »

Could you tell us how many Senate Democrats voted guilty?

oh, are we suddenly separating the house from senate because it helps your argument more?  LOL!

31 dems in congress turned on Clinton - cause he lied about a BJ.

since the repubs are going to win the seante in a landslide in 2014, it shouldn't be a problem, right?

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/10/08/defect/
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2014, 02:41:23 PM »

oh, are we suddenly separating the house from senate because it helps your argument more?  LOL!


Who decides if the impeachment goes through? Not the House. House only votes on the charges and out the 5 charges only 2 got through to Senate and the votes in the House were largely among party lines. ANY less Republicans in the House and the charges don't get through.

THE SENATE, ONLY THE SENATE'S VOTE CAN RESULT IN THE IMPEACHMENT.

And there NOT A SINGLE DEMOCRAT, NOT A SINGLE ONE VOTED TO IMPEACH HIM.

So how can you possible think that the Democrats of TODAY, under REID, are going to turn on the president?  They are not.
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2014, 02:58:20 PM »

If Obama wants the Repubs to like him then all he needs to do is act more like Putin

Just act like a dictator and the Repubs will be on TV saying what a great leader he is
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2014, 03:27:55 PM »

If Obama wants the Repubs to like him then all he needs to do is act more like Putin

Just act like a dictator and the Repubs will be on TV saying what a great leader he is

Or the Republicans can turn into flaming homos in order to gain support from the "president".
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2014, 04:07:25 PM »

TH SENATE, ONLY THE SENATE'S VOTE CAN RESULT IN THE IMPEACHMENT.

And there NOT A SINGLE DEMOCRAT, NOT A SINGLE ONE VOTED TO IMPEACH HIM.

So how can you possible think that the Democrats of TODAY, under REID, are going to turn on the president?  They are not.

I thought repubs + Nate silver + everyone else thinks the SENATE will go to the REPUBS in 2014?
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2014, 05:44:15 PM »

Or the Republicans can turn into flaming homos in order to gain support from the "president".

What do you mean by turn into ?
They are already the closet case party

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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2014, 05:52:01 PM »

The same republicans who want to impeach Obama sat back and let bush get us into an unnecessary war and with the complicity of the democrats create the patriot act.   I'm not bush bashing or diminishing Obamas role.  All I'm saying is that impeachment will never happen.  It's best to sit back and get through the next few years.
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2014, 06:38:59 AM »

I thought repubs + Nate silver + everyone else thinks the SENATE will go to the REPUBS in 2014?

Now you are changing the argument?

So now you want to focus on the midterms of 2014?

First, I wasn't advocating impeachment of the jokeinthewhitehouse. I merely made a statement that to override a presidential veto you need more than just one party. GOP would need the Democrats to cross over and they will never do that to their messiah.

You then brought up Clinton's impeachment to TRY to prove that they will turn on their own.

GOP is not going to impeach him, nor do I think they should spend time, money and effort. Why kill the momentum they have now with the failure of crapcare and the ever decreasing presidential approval numbers?  
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2014, 12:11:29 PM »

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THE SENATE, ONLY THE SENATE'S VOTE CAN RESULT IN THE IMPEACHMENT.

And there NOT A SINGLE DEMOCRAT, NOT A SINGLE ONE VOTED TO IMPEACH HIM.

So how can you possible think that the Democrats of TODAY, under REID, are going to turn on the president? 

Oh!  I have the answer to this one!:

Because voting for impeachment and voting to override a veto are nowhere near the same thing.
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2014, 12:30:23 PM »

After taking a look at the chart at the link below, it seem that presidents aren't using their veto power often anymore:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes

FWIW:

Obama has (so far) used his veto power 2 times.  Neither time was his veto overridden.

GWB used his veto power a total of 12 times (includes 11 regular vetoes and 1 "pocket" veto).  His vetoes were overridden 4 times.

The veto master, by far, was FDR who had a total of 635 vetoes with only 9 being overridden.

Not sure what, if anything, to make about any of that.

The link above also had this to say:

Veto threat

Occasionally, a President either publicly or privately threatens Congress with a veto to influence the content or passage of legislation. There is no record of what officially constitutes a "veto threat," or how many have been made over the years, but it has become a staple of Presidential politics and a sometimes effective way of shaping policy.

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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2014, 06:11:11 PM »

After taking a look at the chart at the link below, it seem that presidents aren't using their veto power often anymore:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes

FWIW:

Obama has (so far) used his veto power 2 times.  Neither time was his veto overridden.

GWB used his veto power a total of 12 times (includes 11 regular vetoes and 1 "pocket" veto).  His vetoes were overridden 4 times.

The veto master, by far, was FDR who had a total of 635 vetoes with only 9 being overridden.

Not sure what, if anything, to make about any of that.

The link above also had this to say:

Veto threat

Occasionally, a President either publicly or privately threatens Congress with a veto to influence the content or passage of legislation. There is no record of what officially constitutes a "veto threat," or how many have been made over the years, but it has become a staple of Presidential politics and a sometimes effective way of shaping policy.



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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2014, 08:03:19 PM »

Wikipedia= The last refuge of a lonely stooge. Slitting your wrists is less painful. Why prolong the agony?

Criticizing my source while not saying that any of the information I got is false seems pretty stooge-like, if you ask me.  (So I'll take your word for it when it comes to having first-hand knowledge of how painful it is to be a stooge.)

Pleasantries aside, Georgie, wikipedia is fine for finding out something as basic as how many times presidents have had vetoes overridden.
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