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« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2012, 10:02:02 AM »

He only did warm-up sets when he had to (first exercise for each bodypart).  Warm-ups are a necessary evil for HIT trainers, especially when you're as strong as Dorian.   
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« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2012, 10:08:26 AM »

From what I saw from his video, he pyramided his weight and worked up to a failure set. But isnt this what most bodybuilders do? Most bodybuilders do not go to failure every single set. So how is what he did any different than other lifters?  Huh Huh
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« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2012, 10:10:11 AM »

Of course he did warm up sets. So did Mentzer. Jones was the one who didn't suggest doing warmup sets. These guys who could squat 550 lbs for reps didn't go into that cold.  Note. If you can squat 600, 315 isn't shit. 405 is heavy but usually far from failure.
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« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2012, 10:11:49 AM »

He's full of shit.  He did 4-5 "warm up" sets that for most people would be heavy working sets, then one last full set with spotters and negatives etc... but those warm ups were real sets.
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« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2012, 10:17:12 AM »

Dorian pyramid shitted his way to the top.
The waste bins outside of Temple Gym reek to tell the tale.
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« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2012, 10:20:01 AM »

He's full of shit.  He did 4-5 "warm up" sets that for most people would be heavy working sets, then one last full set with spotters and negatives etc... but those warm ups were real sets.

Exactly. All he did was pyramid the weight, which most everyone does!
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« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2012, 10:39:57 AM »

I asked Dorian once (on a forum) what %1rm he was using during blast as opposed to layback weeks- his response was that instead of 100% he would go 90. There is no way that he doesn't understand %1rm, yet his answer ignored the parameters of the question and gave an "impressive" answer.
To be fair perhaps giving out such ("detailed"?LOL) info may seem to him like giving away secrets.
Just thought I'd share to illustrate how a guy "known" for being a no-bullshitting truth teller can be less than forth coming.
Oh and then theres the claim that 750 mg test(wk)/500 mg deca(wk)/50 mg D-bol (ed) was his olympia bulking stack....... Roll Eyes

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« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2012, 11:44:19 AM »

You non believers would understand the Dorian method if it was explained like this. One guy has an incline press max reps for 150lbs at 8 reps. His first warm up is 115 for 6 reps. Second warm up set is 135 for 4 reps. Then he loads his first and only work set for inclines at 150lbs and he pushes to an 8 rep failure.

Lets say Dorian can get 8 reps with 415lbs. His first set is 8 reps with 135lbs. Second 225 for 6. Third for 315 for 4. Then he loads 415 for his one and only failure set with 415LBS for 8 reps.  Then his next exercise he might only need one warm up set for that exercise. His third and forth exercise for chest he might not even use a warm up set. 

I'm not saying those are the exact weights and reps for Dorian but it illustrates what a warm up is and what one work set to failure is.
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« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2012, 11:48:26 AM »

He took triple the recommended dosage of bee pollen post-workout and used strict form.
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« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2012, 11:50:09 AM »


I heard on the inter-web that he just looked at the weights and that was enough to stimulate hypertrophy



Later he just started to look at pictures of the weights. But for short periods, so as to not overtrain. Brief intense stares, that's the key
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« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2012, 11:56:21 AM »

Dont forget the yams.
Make sure to rinse those fkn yams you savage.
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« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2012, 11:59:00 AM »

Later he just started to look at pictures of the weights. But for short periods, so as to not overtrain. Brief intense stares, that's the key
At the end of his career, he just visualized himself lifting the weights. But no more than 1 imaginary set, for no more than 35 seconds. Thats how he made his best gains.
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« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2012, 12:00:18 PM »

Mentzer did the same, 2 or 3 "warm-up" sets, then a "working" set to failure

Sure, you can't jump in to a max all-out set to failure with max poundage immediately, but the difference is, in the articles, they'd claim 1 or 2 warm-ups for first bodypart exercise, then the rest of sets for that bodypart would be 1 all-out set.

In reality, people witnessed them doing very traditional 3 or even 4 sets for 2 to 3 exercises per bodypart
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« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2012, 12:02:11 PM »

At the end of his career, he just visualized himself lifting the weights. But no more than 1 imaginary set, for no more than 35 seconds. Thats how he made his best gains.

I heard this too

And he apparently forbade people from talking about training around him, so it wouldn't interfere with his recovery
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« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2012, 12:08:45 PM »

Rinsed yams (deionized water only, mind you) are one of the keys to a great physique.
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« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2012, 12:09:48 PM »

Rinsed yams (deionized water only, mind you) are one of the keys to a great physique.
This guy seems to be on a decent path.
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« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2012, 12:11:25 PM »

This guy seems to be on a decent path.

I was going to delete that post as it gives away important secrets but, alas, now it is too late.
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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2012, 01:14:51 PM »

Never, as failure is not in his dictionary!
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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2012, 01:29:59 PM »

Never, as failure is not in his dictionary!

Yes it's important to "do battle" with the weights with maximum intensity and "leave nothing" on the "table".
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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2012, 01:51:52 PM »

i can believe that stack as bulking stack.

he probably upped the dose threefold for competition diet though

is a smart way to keep doses lower during bulking than in a diet.

Agreed Galeniko.

Most guys think the off-season pro boat-loads the gas. But when you're garbaging up on calories and eating freely, you don't want or need tons of shit in you. You just bloat up like a pig and its uncomfortable. Food is pretty anabolic on its own, and when you use a decent amount of gear with a good healthy caloric surplus, you grow fast.

You need the most gear when you cardio/diet to the extremes. That's when you can't afford to count milligrams.
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« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2012, 02:58:39 PM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHSoqwkBoIY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHSoqwkBoIY</a>

Here see for yourself.
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« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2012, 02:58:49 PM »


its not the only way to train tho, just another way to skin a cat

You took the words right out of my mouth.  All of those HIT-style vs. volume debates are such horseshit.  For one, there is no simple "HIT or volume," not on an either/or basis.  There are so many variations on both that a bunch of people wind up arguing that what one man calls HIT is, in fact, moderate to high volume (and vice-versa).

Second, both are just slightly different means at achieving the same end, albeit the fact that a more volume-oriented approach might work best for Nimrod while low volume, high-intensity shit better suits his pal Bilbo.  As Jeff the Great Uncut Everson once said, every bodybuilder has to be his own "scientist" and experiment, experiment, experiment over the course of years.
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« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2012, 03:32:18 PM »

Later he just started to look at pictures of the weights. But for short periods, so as to not overtrain. Brief intense stares, that's the key

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