Hahaha. Spooge man taking a beating in this thread backfire. Lol
Good gawd. You cant box in a definition like that anymore than you can describe a conservative. Every single person may agree with some of the points of a party but disagree with others. You guys are mainly arguing that of a "social liberal" vs "classic liberal" And both parties fall VERY short of what they are supposed to stand for.
BTW. Straw has owned all of you quite well. Its like your all racing in 3rd gear and he hit 6th and is gone beyond your apprehension.