" I would've DESTROYED Phil Heath in my day. He can't compare to what I was. "

[MCWAY]

No no no, Ronnie is saying he would win, that's it, I know what you are saying but you are twisting Ronnie's words and putting them in one big category. Look it is this simple. Ronnie said he would win against Phil on stage, no one has ever said that about Ronnie prior to him, you said that they did, your statement is false, no one from a different era has claimed they would beat Ronnie, no one.

I have the article, sitting right in front of me.

Bodybuilders of today aren't like the bodybuilders of our day. Physiques were a lot better in our time. This era coming up here, I'm not impressed with nobody. There's nothing that's 'Wow' about their physiques. Not the shape, not the symmetry. Nothing blows me away about these guys".......Gee! I've never heard an old-school bodybuilder say stuff like that before.

As for nobody else saying that about Ronnie, you forget two things: One, most of the other Mr. Os were so far removed, that they really wouldn't care. With that said, Franco Columbu said, in an article in MuscleMag, that if he, Arnold, and Sergio competed in the 90s, THEY would dominate the current competitors.

Two, Ronnie's immediate predecessor BEAT HIM, head up, multiple times on the O stage. He really doesn't have to say anything.

[OTHstrong]

I have the article, sitting right in front of me.

"There's nothing that's 'Wow' about their physiques. Not the shape, not the symmetry. Nothing blows me away about these guys".......Gee! I've never heard an old-school bodybuilder say stuff like that before.

As for nobody else saying that about Ronnie, you forget two things: One, most of the other Mr. Os were so far removed, that they really wouldn't care.

Two, Ronnie's immediate predecessor BEAT HIM, head up, multiple times on the O stage. He really doesn't have to say anything.

You are totally missing the point. Everyone knows that all bodybuilders think their era physiques are better but they are not talking about a judges's perspective, they are talking about the preference, 80's bodybuilders know they would get slaughtered on stage with todays bodybuilders but they still think they look better preference wise not judging wise, see the difference?.

So Ronnie is not talking about what you are referring to, he is talking from the judges perspective he would beat Phil and it is true he would from a judges perspective, all IFBB judges will confirm this as they are always stating that there will never be another Ronnie. So Ronnie is not doing what others have done before him. Unless you can show me a quote saying that someone is claiming to have been able to beat Ronnie on stage then you can not say Ronnie is doing the same thing as everyone else, it is different in everyway especially if what he is saying is true.

[JasonH]

A prime Ronnie would have beaten any bodybuilder in history.

Except a prime Yates.

[MCWAY]

You are totally missing the point. Everyone knows that all bodybuilders think their era physiques are better but they are not talking about a judges's perspective, they are talking about the preference, 80's bodybuilders know they would get slaughtered on stage with todays bodybuilders but they still think they look better preference wise not judging wise, see the difference?.

So Ronnie is not talking about what you are referring to, he is talking from the judges perspective he would beat Phil and it is true he would from a judges perspective, all IFBB judges will confirm this as they are always stating that there will never be another Ronnie. So Ronnie is not doing what others have done before him. Unless you can show me a quote saying that someone is claiming to have been able to beat Ronnie on stage then you can not say Ronnie is doing the same thing as everyone else, it is different in everyway especially if what he is saying is true.

I don't need to show you a quote. I showed you a guy WHO ACTUALLY BEAT RONNIE on stage: Dorian Yates.

Actually, if you want to split hairs, Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson beat Ronnie on stage, too.

But, since those two are still considered modern competitors, even though they (Dex, in particular) is in the twilight of his career, I'll stick with "old-school bodybuilders".

Furthermore, I already gave an example: The article I referenced with Franco Columbu. That was done in the mid-90s, during Ronnie's competitive years, around the time Ronnie won his first show.

As for judges' perspective, we've seen various phases of Ronnie Coleman. We've yet to see the full spectrum of Phil Heath. He hasn't even hit 30, yet.

Besides, with what 90s bodybuilder is Heath often compared? Flex Wheeler. And we all know that Ronnie and Flex had their battles in the 90s. Ronnie's first win over Flex was by one point. Flex beat him twice that same year.

I agree there will never be another Ronnie. But, then again, there will never be another Dorian, another Arnold, another Sergio, or another Lee (Haney).

[bigmikecox]

Ronnie could have inserted anyone's name in that sentence, let alone Heath. In his prime, no one could have ever beaten him. No one has yet to come along that would have beaten a prime Coleman. In his best shape, he's the best there's ever been.

QFT!

When he was competing the REAL contest was for 2nd place

[anabolichalo]

QFT!

When he was competing the REAL contest was for 2nd place

i thought the real contest was for 3rd place

[Hulkster]

I don't need to show you a quote. I showed you a guy WHO ACTUALLY BEAT RONNIE on stage: Dorian Yates.

Actually, if you want to split hairs, Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson beat Ronnie on stage, too.

and to split hairs even further, guys like Porter Cotrell, Charles Clairemont, 14 guys at the 92 Olympia etc etc beat ronnie on stage too.

everyone beat him before his peak.

no one could touch him at his peak. including the physiques that beat him prior, like dorian flex shawn kevin etc

simple.

ronnie's best was better than everyone elses best.

but his best didn't show up on stage for his whole career, like some people somehow expect to happen..

[Hulkster]

^
above, you can see why in a simple span of 2 years, ronnie went from losing to everyone to being the greatest physique ever seen onstage..

[MCWAY]

and to split hairs even further, guys like Porter Cotrell, Charles Clairemont, 14 guys at the 92 Olympia etc etc beat ronnie on stage too.

everyone beat him before his peak.

no one could touch him at his peak. including the physiques that beat him prior, like dorian flex shawn kevin etc

simple.

ronnie's best was better than everyone elses best.

but his best didn't show up on stage for his whole career, like some people somehow expect to happen..

Hardly!! Was Ronnie's best better than Jay Cutler's best (2009)?

Was Ronnie's best better than Dorian's best (1993)?

Ronnie didn't compete against the 2009 version of Jay, nor the 1993 version of Yates. So, it can be said that Ronnie didn't beat Jay at HIS peak; nor did he beat Dex at HIS peak (which some claim is this past Masters Olympia); nor did he beat Dorian at HIS peak.

[Parker]

Hardly!! Was Ronnie's best better than Jay Cutler's best (2009)?

Was Ronnie's best better than Dorian's best (1993)?

Ronnie didn't compete against the 2009 version of Jay, nor the 1993 version of Yates. So, it can be said that Ronnie didn't beat Jay at HIS peak; nor did he beat Dex at HIS peak (which some claim is this past Masters Olympia); nor did he beat Dorian at HIS peak.

ronnie would have beaten 2009 Jay---Jay was only good from the front...in fact, I think Jay's back was better when he was competing against Ronnie.

[MCWAY]

ronnie would have beaten 2009 Jay---Jay was only good from the front...in fact, I think Jay's back was better when he was competing against Ronnie.

I'm not so sure about that. Jay's back was terrific in 2009. His legs were unreal. The only version of Coleman that could have beaten that version of Cutler would be either the 1999 Olympia or the 2001 ASC.

[Parker]

I'm not so sure about that. Jay's back was terrific in 2009. His legs were unreal. The only version of Coleman that could have beaten that version of Cutler would be either the 1999 Olympia or the 2001 ASC.

terrific back and Jay cutler shouldn't be in the same sentence. He still had wrinkles in his back.
Jay looked great that year, but it was only because Jay before that never had the hardness and striations.
It's kinda like how Ronnie of 1998, wasn't the Ronnie of previous yrs, like Shawn had said, Ronnie was the "most improved" that year.
 And Jay can only thank Dex (and the judges) for his 2009 condition---because it was put in Jay's head to come in harder.

Just like Ronnie can thank Gunter (and the judges) for his 2003 look.

[MCWAY]

terrific back and Jay cutler shouldn't be in the same sentence. He still had wrinkles in his back.
Jay looked great that year, but it was only because Jay before that never had the hardness and striations.
It's kinda like how Ronnie of 1998, wasn't the Ronnie of previous yrs, like Shawn had said, Ronnie was the "most improved" that year.
 And Jay can only thank Dex (and the judges) for his 2009 condition---because it was put in Jay's head to come in harder.

Just like Ronnie can thank Gunter (and the judges) for his 2003 look.

His back was far better in 2009 than it was in 2006, when he beat Ronnie. It was the rear double bicep shot that pretty much told the story that Jay's time had arrived and Ronnie was done.

[njflex]

shawn ray was probably one of the only mr contenders who improved or stayed the same size wise,but conditioned trumped every yr he competed...labrada too,,,kev,wheeler great bbers but were either smaller,smoother,bigger,down again ,yr to yr,,,

[Hulkster]

Hardly!! Was Ronnie's best better than Jay Cutler's best (2009)?

um hell yes

and this is the front side only LOL

its a massacre from the back.

[Hulkster]

jay 2008 or 2009 just gets killed.

[doriancutlerman]

A prime Ronnie would have beaten any bodybuilder in history.

Except a prime Yates.

DING!

We have a winner. 

[Hulkster]

A prime Ronnie would have beaten any bodybuilder in history.

Especially a prime Yates.

fixed for accuracy

[mesmorph78]

did ronnie even say this

[doriancutlerman]

fixed for accuracy

Dude, you are obsessed

Dorian in '93 and Ronnie in '99 would be one HELL of a contest.

[NarcissisticDeity]

and to split hairs even further, guys like Porter Cotrell, Charles Clairemont, 14 guys at the 92 Olympia etc etc beat ronnie on stage too.

everyone beat him before his peak.

no one could touch him at his peak. including the physiques that beat him prior, like dorian flex shawn kevin etc

simple.

ronnie's best was better than everyone elses best.

but his best didn't show up on stage for his whole career, like some people somehow expect to happen..

He beat Flex in 1996 so much for your theory , he also beat Kevin in 98 before the Olympia , stop acting like Ronnie never won a contest before 1998 Mr Olympia

[MCWAY]

um hell yes

and this is the front side only LOL

its a massacre from the back.

Not really!! Jay beat Ronnie in 2006 and his back wasn't quite what it was in 2009.

By '09, Jay's back got BIGGER with more detail.

[MCWAY]

jay 2008 or 2009 just gets killed.

Nobody's talking about 2008. That's the year Dex beat him for the title.

[magikusar]

phil who?

both lok liek shit

not gironda apprved look