Guns - Best one for home protection

[calfzilla]

Self defense rounds (hollow tips) are made not to over-penetrate but you can't coun't on that 100%.  Plus not every shot you fire is gonna hit someone.

That's why you have to know your target and what's behind it.

What are your thoughts on birdshot for home defense? Must be the least risky as far as over penetration is concerned.

[Simple Simon]

What are your thoughts on birdshot for home defense? Must be the least risky as far as over penetration is concerned.

makes a mess of the plaster work...

[calfzilla]

makes a mess of the plaster work...

 

[Conker]

Provide the evidence.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/20/more-guns-equal-more-deaths-study-finds.html

"The U.S. has the highest gun ownership rates and also has the highest rate of firearm-related deaths," said study co-author Dr. Sripal Bangalore, a cardiologist at the New York University School of Medicine. [5 Biggest Gun Control Milestones in History]

"Past studies have shown that gun owners are much likelier to be shot with their own weapons than they are to use it to thwart a crime. Other research has shown that gun laws are linked with lower rates of firearms deaths."

"We can show that guns don't make a nation safer," Bangalore said.

"The study "provides some very convincing evidence that firearms-related deaths are very strongly correlated with prevalence of guns,"[NOSHT SHERLOCK!] said Dr. Eric Fleegler, a health services researcher at Boston Children's Hospital, who was not involved in the study."

[Primemuscle]

No guns here. Three dogs. When someone rings the bell or knocks it sounds like a kennel. Any average sized person could easily come in through the dog doors. Unless they're either stupid or very brave, they won't try it.

[Pray_4_War]

What are your thoughts on birdshot for home defense? Must be the least risky as far as over penetration is concerned.

Can't speak on it since I don't have any experience with it.

[BB]

The thing with birdshot is that it usually leaves a nasty, shallow wound. It looks horrible, heals ugly, but really doesn't take the fight out of people sometimes. It can work, but if the person is fat, wearing heavy clothing, etc....., it gets dicey.

[polychronopolous]

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/20/more-guns-equal-more-deaths-study-finds.html

"The U.S. has the highest gun ownership rates and also has the highest rate of firearm-related deaths," said study co-author Dr. Sripal Bangalore, a cardiologist at the New York University School of Medicine. [5 Biggest Gun Control Milestones in History]

"Past studies have shown that gun owners are much likelier to be shot with their own weapons than they are to use it to thwart a crime. Other research has shown that gun laws are linked with lower rates of firearms deaths."

"We can show that guns don't make a nation safer," Bangalore said.

"The study "provides some very convincing evidence that firearms-related deaths are very strongly correlated with prevalence of guns,"[NOSHT SHERLOCK!] said Dr. Eric Fleegler, a health services researcher at Boston Children's Hospital, who was not involved in the study."

Without United States military protection you would be sucking on some chinese infantry man's 3 inch hard cock.

While you hate on merica just dwell on that little thought.

[chaos]

if it's for "protection" don't bother. statistics show your household will be less safe if you own a gun.

think about it logically. if guns are so great for protection, how come the US with by far the most guns also has by far the highest murder rate in the developed world?

Because the US has by far the highest number of privately owned guns in the world?

Just make sure you get hollow points. They don’t go though walls which is great because you don’t kill people by accident.

You must be joking

For a pistol - Smith and Wesson 66 .357 (you can also use .38 in it)

My first revolver, still have it.

[calfzilla]

The thing with birdshot is that it usually leaves a nasty, shallow wound. It looks horrible, heals ugly, but really doesn't take the fight out of people sometimes. It can work, but if the person is fat, wearing heavy clothing, etc....., it gets dicey.

I guess it's a trade off like is often the case with firearms. Low penetration but probably not the best stopping power. There is a video of a college girl getting shot point blank range with bird shot and she just walks away.

[ESFitness]

AR with a .50 Beowolf upper
5.5" barrel
Bowers suppressor
Bump-stock
Surefire led light
Verticle grip

Done

.... Maybe a FLIR thermal optic to get'em hiding in the bushes.

[Conker]

Because the US has by far the highest number of privately owned guns in the world?
You must be joking

My first revolver, still have it.

exactly, conehead. if guns are so great for protection why is your murder rate so high when you have so many guns for "protection"

[Pray_4_War]

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/20/more-guns-equal-more-deaths-study-finds.html

"The U.S. has the highest gun ownership rates and also has the highest rate of firearm-related deaths," said study co-author Dr. Sripal Bangalore, a cardiologist at the New York University School of Medicine. [5 Biggest Gun Control Milestones in History]

"Past studies have shown that gun owners are much likelier to be shot with their own weapons than they are to use it to thwart a crime. Other research has shown that gun laws are linked with lower rates of firearms deaths."

"We can show that guns don't make a nation safer," Bangalore said.

"The study "provides some very convincing evidence that firearms-related deaths are very strongly correlated with prevalence of guns,"[NOSHT SHERLOCK!] said Dr. Eric Fleegler, a health services researcher at Boston Children's Hospital, who was not involved in the study."

Some of the claims they make are absolutely absurd.  Steven Crowder has made some excellent videos that destroy these arguments.

[polychronopolous]

exactly, conehead. if guns are so great for protection why is your murder rate so high when you have so many guns for "protection"

Why are you still free without the United States which you hate so much?

What is stopping your country from Chinese or Russian invasion?

[chaos]

exactly, conehead. if guns are so great for protection why is your murder rate so high when you have so many guns for "protection"

Maybe if you had an ounce of common sense you would be able to see that the places that have the highest murder rates also have the strictest gun control laws.
Do you think criminals would turn in their guns and follow the law if the government banned guns?

[Conker]

Some of the claims they make are absolutely absurd.  Steven Crowder has made some excellent videos that destroy these arguments.

well it's a peer reviewed study. probably slightly more authoritative than some jerk off from youtube

[Pray_4_War]

well it's a peer reviewed study. probably slightly more authoritative than some jerk off from youtube

Actually no.   How about this gem....

"Other research has shown that gun laws are linked with lower rates of firearms deaths."

Chicago anyone?  This is just absolutely not true.

[Conker]

Maybe if you had an ounce of common sense you would be able to see that the places that have the highest murder rates also have the strictest gun control laws.
Do you think criminals would turn in their guns and follow the law if the government banned guns?

hmmm...japan vs US ? lol

give anyone a 10 year mandatory sentence for possesion of a fireman it will go some way to persuading them. this argument that if guns were banned there would be some huge violent crime spree with criminals taking advantage of newly unarmed innocents is retarded. gun crime would drop instantly.

anyway go back to sleep pointy head. a sack of rocks has more "common sense" than you

[Twaddle]

AR with a .50 Beowolf upper
5.5" barrel
Bowers suppressor
Bump-stock
Surefire led light
Verticle grip

Done

.... Maybe a FLIR thermal optic to get'em hiding in the bushes.

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about.  

[Pray_4_War]

hmmm...japan vs US ? lol

give anyone a 10 year mandatory sentence for possesion of a fireman it will go some way to persuading them. this argument that if guns were banned there would be some huge violent crime spree with criminals taking advantage of newly unarmed innocents is retarded. gun crime would drop instantly.

anyway go back to sleep pointy head. a sack of rocks has more "common sense" than you

I'm sorry but you are obviously talking about something that you don't understand.  You are polluting this thread with your bullshit.

If you don't like guns then don't buy one, all I ask is that you don't involve me in your delusional helplessness.

[chaos]

hmmm...japan vs US ? lol

give anyone a 10 year mandatory sentence for possesion of a fireman it will go some way to persuading them. this argument that if guns were banned there would be some huge violent crime spree with criminals taking advantage of newly unarmed innocents is retarded. gun crime would drop instantly.

anyway go back to sleep pointy head. a sack of rocks has more "common sense" than you

You might be used to losing your rights and living in a nanny state but Americans aren't. So you can stick to be mowed down by the muzzies you've allowed to run amok in your country, we'll stick to owning our extremely large collections of fully automatic firearms.

[ESFitness]

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about.  

Could also just go with a Kel-Tec KSG with 00 buck and slugs... And a light.


Probably the only thing from Kel-Tec worth any hard-earned money.. Besides maybe their .22mag, poormans FN 5.7

[Pray_4_War]

...and then there's this.

[polychronopolous]

hmmm...japan vs US ? lol

give anyone a 10 year mandatory sentence for possesion of a fireman it will go some way to persuading them. this argument that if guns were banned there would be some huge violent crime spree with criminals taking advantage of newly unarmed innocents is retarded. gun crime would drop instantly.

anyway go back to sleep pointy head. a sack of rocks has more "common sense" than you

10 YEARS!!!!!

[chaos]

...and then there's this.

Apparently conker enjoys the company of those people.