how is it possible to judge "muscle density" by looking at skin

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie had not even come close to reaching his potential when he stood next to Dorian!

what's crazy to think about is an adolescent Ronnie matched Dorian in size at the 96 German GP where Dorian was near his heaviest contest weight. Now imagine how much bigger 03 Ronnie would look standing next to Dorian

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie had not even come close to reaching his potential when he stood next to Dorian!

Nonsense , Ronnie was close he was already 250lbs in 1996 around the same weight he was at his best 1998/2001 he was just missing the conditioning

[NarcissisticDeity]

what's crazy to think about is an adolescent Ronnie matched Dorian in size at the 96 German GP where Dorian was near his heaviest contest weight. Now imagine how much bigger 03 Ronnie would look standing next to Dorian

He never matched Dorian for size in 96 , two big difference between being 250lbs like Ronnie 96 and being 250lbs like Dorian bone dry and rock hard

Ronnie 2003 would look soft & pregnant next to Dorian and a bunch of mixed and matched parts, Dorian never had a problem beating soft bigger guys

Ronnie NO matter what year wouldn't be as wide , or as dense and dry while carrying the most mass

[NeoSeminole]

Nonsense , Ronnie was close he was already 250lbs in 1996 around the same weight he was at his best 1998/2001 he was just missing the conditioning

hypocrite much, no? Just a couple posts ago you were quoting Peter McGough on conditioning as if he spoke the truth. Now you conveniently ignore his comment about how you look much bigger when you're in better shape

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

[NeoSeminole]

He never matched Dorian for size in 96 , two big difference between being 250lbs like Ronnie 96 and being 250lbs like Dorian bone dry and rock hard

Ronnie 2003 would look soft & pregnant next to Dorian and a bunch of mixed and matched parts, Dorian never had a problem beating soft bigger guys

Ronnie NO matter what year wouldn't be as wide , or as dense and dry while carrying the most mass

never matched Dorian in size? lol, wut? Ronnie has bigger arms, delts, and quads. Even his pecs look bigger

[NarcissisticDeity]

hypocrite much, no? Just a couple posts ago you were quoting Peter McGough on conditioning as if he spoke the truth. Now you conveniently ignore his comment about how you look much bigger when you're in better shape

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

You're the last person on the internet who can accuse ANYONE of being a hypocrite 

Yes and that applies to Dorian as well which is why he always destroyed everyone , yes smaller sharp guys like Ray , bigger softer guys like Nasser

First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.


 

[NarcissisticDeity]

never matched Dorian in size? lol, wut? Ronnie has bigger arms, delts, and quads. Even his pecs look bigger

You have NO clue who has bigger arms , delts and quads , NONE especially not unless you measured them , how does one ascertain who has bigger parts from a 2D picture? you're stupidity knows no bounds

And please pay attention Neo because you still can NOT seem to grasp a simple concept , PARTS DO NOT WIN CONTESTS poses do , after all these years you still think bigger parts means better bodybuilder , it doesn't

Dorian was eons better , Ronnie at his absolute best ( according to him and others ) just barely beat Flex Wheeler by 3 points yet this guy is supposed to beat Dorian who trampled Flex? lol keep dreaming Ronnie fan boys

Dorian would destroy Ronnie just like he did Flex and everyone else.

[NeoSeminole]

You're the last person on the internet who can accuse ANYONE of being a hypocrite

Yes and that applies to Dorian as well which is why he always destroyed everyone , yes smaller sharp guys like Ray , bigger softer guys like Nasser

First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning

what does that have to do with you contradicting yourself? My old comment has nothing to do with you quoting McGough when he says Dorian has better conditioning but then ignoring him when he says you look much bigger when you're supersharp.

[NeoSeminole]

You have NO clue who has bigger arms , delts and quads , NONE especially not unless you measured them , how does one ascertain who has bigger parts from a 2D picture? you're stupidity knows no bounds

And please pay attention Neo because you still can NOT seem to grasp a simple concept , PARTS DO NOT WIN CONTESTS poses do , after all these years you still think bigger parts means better bodybuilder , it doesn't

Dorian was eons better , Ronnie at his absolute best ( according to him and others ) just barely beat Flex Wheeler by 3 points yet this guy is supposed to beat Dorian who trampled Flex? lol keep dreaming Ronnie fan boys

Dorian would destroy Ronnie just like he did Flex and everyone else.

sorry brah but size is objective. Ronnie matches Dorian in size but loses on conditioning. That's why Dorian won

[NarcissisticDeity]

what does that have to do with you contradicting yourself? My old comment has nothing to do with you quoting McGough when he says Dorian has better conditioning but then ignoring him when he says you look much bigger when you're supersharp.

I never ignored that , I addressed it and said it applies to Dorian as well which is part of the reason why he dominated.

Ronnie supersharp and in shape is 247lbs , Dorian 257 or higher , with better balance & proportion and more complete

Ronnie 1998 249lbs super sharp and in shape just barely beat Flex by just 3 measly points , Dorian 257lbs in super shape in 1993 dominated Flex , he was so far ahead they didn't need to compare him the muscularity round

Dorian kicks Ronnie's ass at his best , Flex wasn't anywhere near as good in 98 as he was in 93 , so the domination of Ronnie would be even greater. Ronnie doesn't have anything for Dorian at his best , he just doesn't

[NarcissisticDeity]

sorry brah but size is objective. Ronnie matches Dorian in size but loses on conditioning. That's why Dorian won

And you DO NOT know who is bigger based on a 2D pic , if you say you do you're stupid , and BIG difference between being 250 like Ronnie and soft & holding water than 250 like Dorian hard as nails and bone dry

Size without conditioning isn't size kid , learn the game.

[NeoSeminole]

I never ignored that , I addressed it and said it applies to Dorian as well which is part of the reason why he dominated.

Ronnie supersharp and in shape is 247lbs , Dorian 257 or higher , with better balance & proportion and more complete

Ronnie 1998 249lbs super sharp and in shape just barely beat Flex by just 3 measly points , Dorian 257lbs in super shape in 1993 dominated Flex , he was so far ahead they didn't need to compare him the muscularity round

Dorian kicks Ronnie's ass at his best , Flex wasn't anywhere near as good in 98 as he was in 93 , so the domination of Ronnie would be even greater. Ronnie doesn't have anything for Dorian at his best , he just doesn't

wrong, try again. You said Ronnie in 96 was close in weight to his 98/01 ASC showing and therefore, the difference in size would be negligible while completely ignoring the difference in conditioning. Ronnie at the 01 ASC would make his 96 Mr. O physique look small

[NeoSeminole]

And you DO NOT know who is bigger based on a 2D pic , if you say you do you're stupid , and BIG difference between being 250 like Ronnie and soft & holding water than 250 like Dorian hard as nails and bone dry

Size without conditioning isn't size kid , learn the game.

Size is objective. Ronnie has bigger arms, delts, pecs, and quads than Dorian in the pic of them standing next to each other

[NarcissisticDeity]

wrong, try again. You said Ronnie in 96 was close in weight to his 98/01 ASC showing and therefore, the difference in size would be negligible while completely ignoring the difference in conditioning. Ronnie at the 01 ASC would make his 96 Mr. O physique look small

Good for him to bad he couldn't make Dorian look small  Ronnie 01 242-247lbs , Dorian 257lbs with better conditioning and balance and proportions , etc , etc , etc

[NeoSeminole]

Good for him to bad he couldn't make Dorian look small Ronnie 01 242-247lbs , Dorian 257lbs with better conditioning and balance and proportions , etc , etc , etc

Ronnie already matched Dorian in size at 250 lbs with inferior conditioning. Ronnie at 257 lbs with 98/01 ASC conditioning would have no problem against Dorian. Now 03 Ronnie, on the other hand, would dwarf a 257 lbs Dorian

[NarcissisticDeity]

Size is objective. Ronnie has bigger arms, delts, pecs, and quads than Dorian in the pic of them standing next to each other

Nice shot showing Ronnie flex and Dorian NOT still stupid for suggesting you can tell who has bigger parts based on a 2D pic LOL I love your stupidity 

Pssssssssssssssssstttttt tttttttttttttttttttt Neo FYI parts don't win contests 

from the ORIGINAL ( first posted see attached ) of Dorian fully flexed super-imposed with Ronnie fully flexed Dorian trampled him , wider by far Dorian is massive and in shape

Ronnie 1998 ( HIS BEST ) just barely beat Flex , Dorian destroyed Flex so Dorian would  destroy Ronnie simple math , Ronnie 2001 is the same as 1998 , almost the same weight , so Dorian would destroy Ronnie 2001

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie at 250 lbs already matching Dorian in size yet according to ND, Ronnie with +30 lbs wouldn't look much bigger

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie already matched Dorian in size at 250 lbs with inferior conditioning. Ronnie at 257 lbs with 98/01 ASC conditioning would have no problem against Dorian. Now 03 Ronnie, on the other hand, would dwarf a 257 lbs Dorian

Wrong

Unconditioned size is NOT size m vast difference between 250lbs soft & holding water , and 250lbs dense and dry , please learn how this game is played

Ronnie was never 257lbs with 98/01 conditioning so keep your fantasy

Ronnie 03 would look soft and out of shape next to Yates and a bunch of mis-matched parts , Dorian at 283lbs with eons better conditioning than Ronnie had at the same weight give-or-take

[NeoSeminole]

ahahaha, ND already bringing offseason pics of Dorian into this discussion. That's how you can tell he's fighting a losing battle

[anabolichalo]

jesus what size are his feet

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie at 250 lbs already matching Dorian in size yet according to ND, Ronnie with +30 lbs wouldn't look much bigger

Oh he would look much bigger , much bigger quads and gut 

And he's not matching Dorian on size , stop trying to push that myth , 250lbs soft & holding water isn't matching someone 250lbs bone dry and rock hard

Strip Ronnie of all that fat & water and he's 240-247 lbs , Dorian is 10lbs heavier and one inch shorter , he also has better balance & proportion and he's more complete and his conditioning is still better than Ronnie's best 

[The Grim Lifter]

I never ignored that , I addressed it and said it applies to Dorian as well which is part of the reason why he dominated.

Ronnie supersharp and in shape is 247lbs , Dorian 257 or higher , with better balance & proportion and more complete

Ronnie 1998 249lbs super sharp and in shape just barely beat Flex by just 3 measly points , Dorian 257lbs in super shape in 1993 dominated Flex , he was so far ahead they didn't need to compare him the muscularity round

Dorian kicks Ronnie's ass at his best , Flex wasn't anywhere near as good in 98 as he was in 93 , so the domination of Ronnie would be even greater. Ronnie doesn't have anything for Dorian at his best , he just doesn't

He beat him by only 3 points because Ronnie was ignored in the first round. Once they saw Ronnie properly he won the next three rounds by perfect scores. Very poor argument.

[NeoSeminole]

Oh he would look much bigger , much bigger quads and gut

And he's not matching Dorian on size , stop trying to push that myth , 250lbs soft & holding water isn't matching someone 250lbs bone dry and rock hard

Strip Ronnie of all that fat & water and he's 240-247 lbs , Dorian is 10lbs heavier and one inch shorter , he also has better balance & proportion and he's more complete and his conditioning is still better than Ronnie's best

even standing relaxed, you can tell Ronnie was already beginning to surpass Dorian in size in 96

[NarcissisticDeity]

ahahaha, ND already bringing offseason pics of Dorian into this discussion. That's how you can tell he's fighting a losing battle

Wrong yet again fan boy , that's precontest  learn the difference

Losing battle ? how about posting a pic of Ronnie flexed and Dorian not? oppppsss you did that , who said Ronnie is a moron and not a credible source than tried to pass him off as one? oppppps you did that 

Ronnie at his best 1998 couldn't beat Flex , Dorian obliterated Flex , Dorian would trample Ronnie at his best

[NarcissisticDeity]

He beat him by only 3 points because Ronnie was ignored in the first round. Once they saw Ronnie properly he won the next three rounds by perfect scores. Very poor argument.

WRONG he was not ignored in the first round , he was compared 9 times in the first round.