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« Reply #150 on: January 12, 2013, 12:27:33 AM »

And how many of those traits do non-human animals demonstrate?
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« Reply #151 on: January 12, 2013, 02:14:18 AM »

What they don't have, however, is a rational faculty.

That's patently untrue - no doubt our instinct for survival is strong and is an important factor in the decisions we make, but we can and do override it all the time. And that is something else that differentiates us from animals: our instincts advise us - they don't control us.

I won't try ruin your delusion, it's merely a defence mechanism that is part of the ego to help you cope with the harshness of reality.

We can 'override' it, but it is still an illusion.
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« Reply #152 on: January 12, 2013, 01:24:21 PM »

All.

Obviously. Dogs routinely teach philosophy and cats, as we all know, are amazing mathematicians and physicists. A little know fact was that Einstein actually got the theories of general and special relativity by looking at the notebooks of his cat while it was on the litter box!


I won't try ruin your delusion, it's merely a defence mechanism that is part of the ego to help you cope with the harshness of reality.

Yes. Of course. Observable facts are delusions... Roll Eyes As for coping/defence mechanisms, that's your gig: you posit a world where everything is run on auto-pilot and is out of your control, so that you never have to assume responsibility for anything you do or deal with anything that happens to you.


We can 'override' it, but it is still an illusion.

What is an illusion? If you can can consciously override something it doesn't control you. You assert that our instincts and emotions control us. Clearly they don't. Firefighters run into burning buildings to save strangers. Soldiers risk their lives to save comrades. Both of those acts are counter to the instincts of self-preservation and procreation. And yet people do them. All the time.

Your "theory" is a joke.
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« Reply #153 on: January 12, 2013, 02:32:34 PM »

Obviously. Dogs routinely teach philosophy and cats, as we all know, are amazing mathematicians and physicists. A little know fact was that Einstein actually got the theories of general and special relativity by looking at the notebooks of his cat while it was on the litter box!


Yes. Of course. Observable facts are delusions... Roll Eyes As for coping/defence mechanisms, that's your gig: you posit a world where everything is run on auto-pilot and is out of your control, so that you never have to assume responsibility for anything you do or deal with anything that happens to you.


What is an illusion? If you can can consciously override something it doesn't control you. You assert that our instincts and emotions control us. Clearly they don't. Firefighters run into burning buildings to save strangers. Soldiers risk their lives to save comrades. Both of those acts are counter to the instincts of self-preservation and procreation. And yet people do them. All the time.

Your "theory" is a joke.
Don`t be a moron.  You pretended to act as if non-humans were incapable of higher thought when this is simply not the case.  Furthermore, the Neanderthal, which was a non-human, had a larger brain than Homo Sapiens and was arguably more intelligent despite being a non-human.  Homo Erectus and Homo Ergaster among others were also tool making non-human species.  I hope this helps.
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« Reply #154 on: January 12, 2013, 04:11:23 PM »

Obviously. Dogs routinely teach philosophy and cats, as we all know, are amazing mathematicians and physicists. A little know fact was that Einstein actually got the theories of general and special relativity by looking at the notebooks of his cat while it was on the litter box!


Yes. Of course. Observable facts are delusions... Roll Eyes As for coping/defence mechanisms, that's your gig: you posit a world where everything is run on auto-pilot and is out of your control, so that you never have to assume responsibility for anything you do or deal with anything that happens to you.


What is an illusion? If you can can consciously override something it doesn't control you. You assert that our instincts and emotions control us. Clearly they don't. Firefighters run into burning buildings to save strangers. Soldiers risk their lives to save comrades. Both of those acts are counter to the instincts of self-preservation and procreation. And yet people do them. All the time.

Your "theory" is a joke.

The firefighter and soldier get PAID, it is is their job, they need to do it to SURVIVE.

We have choices and free-will but all decisions are ultimately tied to our SURVIVAL instinct as well as that of REPRODUCTION.

When you go to university to study and earn a degree it is part of the survival instinct, in order to have a better job and live a better life and to have better mate as well.

Humans are ANIMALS, this might be an uncomfortable and bleak reality for some to bear but their survival instincts via the EGO help provide justification, answers and meaning to the world around them.

The development of SPEECH is the clue here to the rapid development of the human mind in comparison to other animals......it allowed for transfer of knowledge as well as a different form of thinking.

We had the ability to think in WORDS.
As a result, this lead to the creating of a different kind of AWARENESS of ourselves in contrast to other animals.....a self-awareness.
How would you organise your thought without words? Not quite the same is it?
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« Reply #155 on: January 12, 2013, 04:59:48 PM »

Don`t be a moron.  You pretended to act as if non-humans were incapable of higher thought when this is simply not the case.  Furthermore, the Neanderthal, which was a non-human, had a larger brain than Homo Sapiens and was arguably more intelligent despite being a non-human.  Homo Erectus and Homo Ergaster among others were also tool making non-human species.  I hope this helps.

I generally agree with you, but I believe Neanderthals are human, just not Homo Sapiens.

They were able to breed with Homo Sapiens and Caucasians can still have up to 6% Neanderthal DNA.
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« Reply #156 on: January 12, 2013, 05:01:59 PM »

This thread is full of lies and deceit. Cock Ersling, you are a false profit.

Read and follow the Bible. The truth you seek is within this book. That is all.

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« Reply #157 on: January 12, 2013, 05:03:47 PM »

The firefighter and soldier get PAID, it is is their job, they need to do it to SURVIVE.

We have choices and free-will but all decisions are ultimately tied to our SURVIVAL instinct as well as that of REPRODUCTION.

When you go to university to study and earn a degree it is part of the survival instinct, in order to have a better job and live a better life and to have better mate as well.

Humans are ANIMALS, this might be an uncomfortable and bleak reality for some to bear but their survival instincts via the EGO help provide justification, answers and meaning to the world around them.

The development of SPEECH is the clue here to the rapid development of the human mind in comparison to other animals......it allowed for transfer of knowledge as well as a different form of thinking.

We had the ability to think in WORDS.
As a result, this lead to the creating of a different kind of AWARENESS of ourselves in contrast to other animals.....a self-awareness.
How would you organise your thought without words? Not quite the same is it?
Exactly. But deep inside we re not doing more than what the average animal or plant does: survivng, until we can reproduce, teach our offspring how to survive facing the competition, repeat. Being successful doing so makes a human feel happy, being unsuccessful makes him unhappy. Nothing is disinterested, everything that happen serves a purpose, and the purpose is always the same; survival of a life form.
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« Reply #158 on: January 12, 2013, 05:10:13 PM »

This thread is full of lies and deceit. Cock Ersling, you are a false profit.

Read and follow the Bible. The truth you seek is within this book. That is all.

JESUS SAVES!
God and His son explain to their creation, the human animal, how to preserve and perpetuate life by making sound , balanced, wise (life preserving/encouraging) choices. Basically the Bible doesnt negate the fact we are animals, in fact it tells us we are animals who must control themselves in order to defend life and make it continue -especially considering we are way more powerful than other animal species which allows us to either create or destroy life-. The point of the whole experience and process is to create a new God, or new gods. The only way for life to survive and for human to evolve to become perfect , is to better yourself and each others as much as possible through a deep understanding of love which requires fidelity, loyalty, to God's words, to your wife, to your family, and to those who made the choice to live the same way as you, submitted to God themselves. These people will be selected simply because they believe, while others will disapear in their own sins. Nothing that is evil is done by God, but by humans who are sinning. But it's not God's will. He leaves us the choice to either listen to him or to sin. If men sin, it's their fault, not His, as he is incapable of doing wrong, being perfect , almighty and eternal which we miserable humans, arent.
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« Reply #159 on: January 12, 2013, 05:12:21 PM »

God and His son explain to their creation, the human animal, how to preserve and perpetuate life by making sound , balanced, wise choices. Basically the Bible doesnt negate the fact we are animals, in fact it tells us we are animals who must control themselves in order to defend life and make it continue -especially considering we are way more powerful than other animal species which allows us to either create or destroy life-. The point of the whole experience and process is to create a new God, or new gods. The only way for life to survive and for human to evolve to become perfect , is to better yourself and each others as much as possible through a deep understanding of love which requires fidelity, loyalty, to God's words, to your wife, to your family, and to those who made the choice to live the same way as you, submitted to God themselves. These people will be selected simply because they believe, while others will disapear in their own sins. Nothing that is evil is done by God, but by humans who are sinning. But it's not God's will. Still he leaves us the choice to either listen to him or to sin.

Amen.................... ...asshole.
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« Reply #160 on: January 12, 2013, 11:32:29 PM »

I generally agree with you, but I believe Neanderthals are human, just not Homo Sapiens.

They were able to breed with Homo Sapiens and Caucasians can still have up to 6% Neanderthal DNA.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/aug/14/study-doubt-human-neanderthal-interbreeding
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« Reply #161 on: January 13, 2013, 12:06:57 AM »

God and His son explain to their creation, the human animal, how to preserve and perpetuate life by making sound , balanced, wise (life preserving/encouraging) choices. Basically the Bible doesnt negate the fact we are animals, in fact it tells us we are animals who must control themselves in order to defend life and make it continue -especially considering we are way more powerful than other animal species which allows us to either create or destroy life-. The point of the whole experience and process is to create a new God, or new gods. The only way for life to survive and for human to evolve to become perfect , is to better yourself and each others as much as possible through a deep understanding of love which requires fidelity, loyalty, to God's words, to your wife, to your family, and to those who made the choice to live the same way as you, submitted to God themselves. These people will be selected simply because they believe, while others will disapear in their own sins. Nothing that is evil is done by God, but by humans who are sinning. But it's not God's will. He leaves us the choice to either listen to him or to sin. If men sin, it's their fault, not His, as he is incapable of doing wrong, being perfect , almighty and eternal which we miserable humans, arent.
your a smart dude. youd be alot smarter if you didnt connect god with religion.
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« Reply #162 on: January 13, 2013, 02:17:32 AM »


Interesting article.

This represents a different theory, but I think the more commonly held one is still that they interbred and were human.
Either way, interesting stuff.
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« Reply #163 on: January 13, 2013, 03:58:29 AM »

How Johnny Falcon would have towered over the rest if he would have been a Dinosaur


Dj181 as a Dinosaur


Method101 as a Dinosaur


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« Reply #164 on: January 13, 2013, 04:00:53 AM »

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« Reply #165 on: January 13, 2013, 08:54:12 AM »

your a smart dude. youd be alot smarter if you didnt connect god with religion.
I dont care about sounding smart contrary to you or true anus and others, I care about being right, about truth whatever the cost. That's the big difference.
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« Reply #166 on: January 13, 2013, 11:34:14 AM »

All of you people talking about "science" and "the scientists" need to retake some intro to philosophy classes, there is no such thing as "the science" or "the scientists"* and any discussion about the institution of science and its legitimacy is inherently flawed.

That said, you did not make any point, just asserted a serious of dubious observations.


*This is actually huge right now, philosophy of science/epistemology, refer to Kuhn, Lakatos, Feyerabend, Gadamer.
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« Reply #167 on: January 13, 2013, 11:36:35 AM »

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« Reply #168 on: January 13, 2013, 11:38:40 AM »


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would be even funnier if someone did a more realistic photoshop. That face is beyond hilarious!
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« Reply #169 on: January 13, 2013, 11:42:10 AM »

I dont care about sounding smart contrary to you or true anus and others, I care about being right, about truth whatever the cost. That's the big difference.

You have a severe case of confirmation bias.
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« Reply #170 on: January 13, 2013, 11:42:37 AM »


Angry little snub nosed bastard isn't he?
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« Reply #171 on: January 13, 2013, 04:30:05 PM »

Evolution of life has occured here on planet Earth, that is an incontrovertible scientific fact. The fossil record does not lie. However, the MECHANISM of actionĖmeaning, HOW evolution took place, has not been adequately excplained. Natural Selection is true, and plays a large role in the evolution of life, but it certainly isnít the whole picture. It would take an absolute leap of FAITH for me to believe that something as complex and intricately functioning as the BRAIN arose simply from random mutations and the subtle pressures of natural selection. As a true scientist and philosopher, I donít make leaps of faith, but rather, I believe in the EVIDENCE, and simply can not accept that Natural Selection is the SOLE cause for ALL of the magnificent and incredible diversity and variation of life here on Earth. Information theory prohibits such a misplaced and unreasonable belief.

Just because you can't imagine it happening doesn't mean that it didn't happen that way.

Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain. Each and every one of the TRILLIONS of cells in our bodies has been programmed with brilliant mathematical instructions encoded in our DNA. The BRAIN, and all of life on earth, have been intricately and precisely developed, as the most powerful and brilliant TECHNOLOGY of our natural universe. WE as human beings are literally, as heinously complex carbon-based life forms, highly advanced organic TECHNOLOGICAL beings that have even created our OWN technologies, much in our own images. Perhaps our purpose is to continue to PRODUCE, to develop ever more complex technologies that eventually enable us to unlock the full potential of our own DNA(genetic information technology). All of life on earth is highly advanced organic technology, based on the brilliant mathematics of DNA. From the smallest bacterium to the largest fish in the sea, all of life has been progammed by an unmistakably intelligent source, far superior to that of human beings. It is plainly obvious that LIFE, as a complex form of natural organic technology, could not arise simply from random mutations. It is just not possible, and as I scientist, I just canít believe that.

Define "Information".

DOGMATISM exists even among the scientific community, something that I can now see as I have grown older, smarter, and wiser. I will be offering my hypothesis for how life and itís astounding diversity and variation arose here on earth, using the new sciences of Systems Theory, Chaos and Complexity, Emergent Properties, Quantum Consciousness, Cynamics, and Sacred Geometrical Mathematics.

ďAnyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of of the Universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man.Ē-Albert Einstein

The only source I can find for Einstein saying this is on your own blog.
 
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« Reply #172 on: January 13, 2013, 04:32:30 PM »

Angry little snub nosed bastard isn't he?
I believe his daddy played patty cake one too many times with his short bread.  He has been molested and still cannot come to terms with it.
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« Reply #173 on: January 13, 2013, 07:50:04 PM »

Don`t be a moron.

You should repeat that 100 time front of the mirror every morning. In time it may help.


You pretended to act as if non-humans were incapable of higher thought when this is simply not the case.[/quote

I said that non-human animals we know about lack the faculty of reason. They do.


Furthermore, the Neanderthal, which was a non-human, had a larger brain than Homo Sapiens and was arguably more intelligent despite being a non-human.

I'm sorry. Are you really equating intelligence with brain size? Really?


Homo Erectus and Homo Ergaster among others were also tool making non-human species.

Right and?


I hope this helps.

Well, I wouldn't go that far...
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« Reply #174 on: January 14, 2013, 01:07:25 PM »

I dont care about sounding smart contrary to you or true anus and others, I care about being right, about truth whatever the cost. That's the big difference.
being right=being smart..   when you always connect god to religion, your not right..  maybe there is a religion that was divinely sent, or maybe there is a religion whose creator(s) somehow managed to accurately describe god's will..    but its not necessarily true and i think if you use good logic to evaluate the subject you come to the opinion that religions are blasphemous and the existence and nature of god are a complete mystery, probably fully intended to be that way by god himself... only accessible through life experience and not something tangible that can be written on paper , etc....      when you stop connecting god to religion , thats when , i think, youll finally be on the path to real truth  Wink  (if it even exists  Wink )
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