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« on: January 10, 2013, 03:11:13 PM »



Americans never give up your guns (Pravda: "socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA")

 Pravda ^ | Stanislav Mishin

Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:52:00


These days, there are few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bear arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions.

This will probably come as a total shock to most of my Western readers, but at one point, Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar. Weapons, from swords and spears to pistols, rifles and shotguns were everywhere, common items. People carried them concealed, they carried them holstered. Fighting knives were a prominent part of many traditional attires and those little tubes criss crossing on the costumes of Cossacks and various Caucasian peoples? Well those are bullet holders for rifles.

Various armies, such as the Poles, during the Смута (Times of Troubles), or Napoleon, or the Germans even as the Tsarist state collapsed under the weight of WW1 and Wall Street monies, found that holding Russian lands was much much harder than taking them and taking was no easy walk in the park but a blood bath all its own. In holding, one faced an extremely well armed and aggressive population Hell bent on exterminating or driving out the aggressor.

This well armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds. It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.

Moscow fell, for example, not from a lack of weapons to defend it, but from the lying guile of the Reds. Ten thousand Reds took Moscow and were opposed only by some few hundreds of officer cadets and their instructors. Even then the battle was fierce and losses high. However, in the city alone, at that time, lived over 30,000 military officers (both active and retired), all with their own issued weapons and ammunition, plus tens of thousands of other citizens who were armed. The Soviets promised to leave them all alone if they did not intervene. They did not and for that were asked afterwards to come register themselves and their weapons: where they were promptly shot.

Of course being savages, murderers and liars does not mean being stupid and the Reds learned from their Civil War experience. One of the first things they did was to disarm the population. From that point, mass repression, mass arrests, mass deportations, mass murder, mass starvation were all a safe game for the powers that were. The worst they had to fear was a pitchfork in the guts or a knife in the back or the occasional hunting rifle. Not much for soldiers.

To this day, with the Soviet Union now dead 21 years, with a whole generation born and raised to adulthood without the SU, we are still denied our basic and traditional rights to self defense. Why? We are told that everyone would just start shooting each other and crime would be everywhere....but criminals are still armed and still murdering and too often, especially in the far regions, those criminals wear the uniforms of the police. The fact that everyone would start shooting is also laughable when statistics are examined.

While President Putin pushes through reforms, the local authorities, especially in our vast hinterland, do not feel they need to act like they work for the people. They do as they please, a tyrannical class who knows they have absolutely nothing to fear from a relatively unarmed population. This in turn breeds not respect but absolute contempt and often enough, criminal abuse.

For those of us fighting for our traditional rights, the US 2nd Amendment is a rare light in an ever darkening room. Governments will use the excuse of trying to protect the people from maniacs and crime, but are in reality, it is the bureaucrats protecting their power and position. In all cases where guns are banned, gun crime continues and often increases. As for maniacs, be it nuts with cars (NYC, Chapel Hill NC), swords (Japan), knives (China) or home made bombs (everywhere), insane people strike. They throw acid (Pakistan, UK), they throw fire bombs (France), they attack. What is worse, is, that the best way to stop a maniac is not psychology or jail or "talking to them", it is a bullet in the head, that is why they are a maniac, because they are incapable of living in reality or stopping themselves.

The excuse that people will start shooting each other is also plain and silly. So it is our politicians saying that our society is full of incapable adolescents who can never be trusted? Then, please explain how we can trust them or the police, who themselves grew up and came from the same culture?

No it is about power and a total power over the people. There is a lot of desire to bad mouth the Tsar, particularly by the Communists, who claim he was a tyrant, and yet under him we were armed and under the progressives disarmed. Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.

So, do not fall for the false promises and do not extinguish the light that is left to allow humanity a measure of self respect.

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 05:31:01 PM »

Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 06:23:49 PM »

So would many of the jews killed by the nazis who disarmed them. 
Not if Jesus had gone on a shooting spree 1930 years earlier.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2013, 06:46:27 PM »

Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington

Bogus quote, Washington never stated anything close to that.
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2013, 06:50:52 PM »

Bogus quote, Washington never stated anything close to that.

Bullshit, He just told me that shit last week.  My homeboy George T. Washington from Jamaican Queens.  He isn't gonna like you calling him a liar like that. 
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 06:51:19 PM »

Bullshit, He just told me that shit last week.  My homeboy George T. Washington from Jamaican Queens.  He isn't gonna like you calling him a liar like that. 

Many quotes from the founders on this. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 07:58:35 PM »

Many quotes from the founders on this.  

Most of them were never said by the founders.  They didn't talk about guns very much and especially in the tone most of these so called quotes are in.  I read up a lot on this subject as I had seen a lot of people posting numerous quotes and it turns out pretty much all of them were never said by the founding fathers.

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 08:13:56 PM »

Most of them were never said by the founders.  They didn't talk about guns very much and especially in the tone most of these so called quotes are in.  I read up a lot on this subject as I had seen a lot of people posting numerous quotes and it turns out pretty much all of them were never said by the founding fathers.



Regardless, the founders were some radical cats.  Having just fought the revolutionary war they were overly cautious of government tyranny.  The second amendment is very clear.  The right of the people, to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.  So not only can you keep arms you have a right to bear them as well.  Also see below.

Define Infringe: to encroach upon

Define Encroach: to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions or rights of another


Did the words gradual steps ring a bell because they should?  The government has been taking gradual steps to erode our 2nd amendment rights for quite a while.  If they did it all at once people wouldn't have it.  That's why the tactic of doing it slowly over time is so important to them.
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 09:45:09 PM »

Yup. It's almost impossible to get a gun in America these days.

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2013, 06:33:17 AM »

Yup. It's almost impossible to get a gun in America these days.

Good point.

Again.  At what point did I suggest that it is impossible to get a gun in the USA?  The reality is that the government has taken a lot of steps over the years to gradually limit gun rights.  If you don't recognize it or aren't smart enough to understand that then so be it.  Just know that putting words in my mouth isn't going to work.  Your tactics are pathetic and right out of Saul Alinsky's playbook.  You contribute nothing to these debates but snarky comments.  You are the definition of a fucking troll. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2013, 06:37:50 AM »

Yup. It's almost impossible to get a gun in America these days.

Good point.


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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2013, 06:45:01 AM »

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/15-Year-Old-Boy-Uses-AR-15-To-Defend-House-Against-Burglars


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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2013, 07:43:34 AM »

Again.  At what point did I suggest that it is impossible to get a gun in the USA?  The reality is that the government has taken a lot of steps over the years to gradually limit gun rights.  If you don't recognize it or aren't smart enough to understand that then so be it.  Just know that putting words in my mouth isn't going to work.  Your tactics are pathetic and right out of Saul Alinsky's playbook.  You contribute nothing to these debates but snarky comments.  You are the definition of a fucking troll.  
If it's not difficult to get a gun, then what in the fuck are you even talking about?

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2013, 09:28:49 AM »

If it's not difficult to get a gun, then what in the fuck are you even talking about?

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Do you understand the difference between not difficult and impossible?  Again, your own words not mine.  

What I'm talking about is the fact that the government has already barred citizens from owning fully automatic weapons and now they are coming after semi-automatic weapons.  They have tried to regulate ammunition in order to make it so cost prohibitive that many people can't afford to shoot their rifles.  There have been hundreds or perhaps thousands of gun laws on the books over the years.  Just because they didn't make it "impossible" to get a gun, doesn't mean that some of these laws haven't infringed on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.  What does the phrase shall not be infringed mean to you?  
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2013, 03:30:34 AM »

Do you understand the difference between not difficult and impossible?  Again, your own words not mine.  

What I'm talking about is the fact that the government has already barred citizens from owning fully automatic weapons and now they are coming after semi-automatic weapons.  They have tried to regulate ammunition in order to make it so cost prohibitive that many people can't afford to shoot their rifles.  There have been hundreds or perhaps thousands of gun laws on the books over the years.  Just because they didn't make it "impossible" to get a gun, doesn't mean that some of these laws haven't infringed on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.  What does the phrase shall not be infringed mean to you?  
That means that, if you cannot afford a gun, while shall be appointed to you.
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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2013, 03:38:28 AM »

That means that, if you cannot afford a gun, while shall be appointed to you.
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2013, 12:28:56 PM »

That means that, if you cannot afford a gun, while shall be appointed to you.
I like this idea. If everyone is armed, everyone is on equal footing. Good call broseph.
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2013, 07:25:35 PM »

Santa Cruz County Supervisors Pass 45 Day Moratorium to Freeze Any Gun Shop Plans
KION ^ | Jan 15, 2013 | Tom Jones
Posted on January 15, 2013 9:22:53 PM EST by artichokegrower

SANTA CRUZ COUNTY, Calif- The Santa Cruz County Board of Supervisors, in a unanimous decision, approved a 45 day moratorium which places an immediate hold on any pending gun retailers looking to open up shop in unincorporated areas of Santa Cruz County.

That 45 day moratorium is so county supervisors can meet with the Santa Cruz County Sheriff's Department, County Planning Department officials, local gun retailers and the public to discuss long term regulations for gun shops and clubs in the county.

The county is analyzing whether or not they need stricter regulations than what is imposed federally and by the state.

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2013, 02:36:56 PM »

That means that, if you cannot afford a gun, while shall be appointed to you.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the embodiment of a troll. 
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2013, 08:22:30 AM »

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the embodiment of a troll. 
I'm a writer, damn it.

I'm about to be published in one language.

I demand some respect.

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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2013, 08:35:14 AM »

I'm a writer, damn it.

I'm about to be published in one language.

I demand some respect.



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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2013, 08:38:58 PM »

I'm a writer, damn it.

I'm about to be published in one language.

I demand some respect.



I would think that a so-called writer would have the depth of intellect to contribute something to these discussions.  I don't have to agree with it, just provide some insight, one relevant thought.  I'm not going to hold my breath. 
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