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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2013, 06:18:54 PM »

political class, the bankers and big companies, when have they done anything good as far regular ppl are concerned?

Well, considering the fact that the government does not create jobs, but that instead the private sector does, I'd say us bankers and those big companies do a lot for the people.

What I do agree with is that Americans are becoming fat, lazy and completely contingent upon government assistance.

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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2013, 06:20:40 PM »

  OMR, you are a good person     but your people dropped the ball with the housing market    you must admit that banks have caused a lot of problems
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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2013, 06:22:37 PM »

Hold everything! I've just found the actual transcript where our leaders were planning the whole thing:

Villain #1:  "OK OK, after we successfully remote-control piloted the commercial airliners into the WTC towers, and then after we have successfully launched a cruise missile into the Pentagon, and then after we successfully kill/hide/relocate all the "dead" passengers and crew members from all the commercial airliners we stole, and then after we have successfully paid off all the bribes to the 10's-OF-THOUSANDS of families, airline employees, Air Traffic Control workers, construction workers, demolition experts, every single member of the CIA, FBI, NSA and every single elected official in Washington, after we have successfully pulled off the greatest mass murder and deception in history- let's do this- lets blow the shit out of WTC Building #7 just for the fun of it."

Villian#2: "Why the fuck would we do that?"  
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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2013, 06:23:53 PM »

  WAG THE DOG
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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2013, 06:25:09 PM »

  WAG THE DOG

Good movie
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« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2013, 06:25:15 PM »

 OMR, you are a good person     but your people dropped the ball with the housing market    you must admit that banks have caused a lot of problems

Absolutely.

That said, the heart and soul of this economy lies within the stock market.  We invest in small-large companies that upon growth allows for the creation of jobs provided by those same companies we help to build.  Those same jobs are in turn the jobs that keep the average American employed with a roof over their heads and food on their tables.

Does the private sector commit stupid mistakes every now and then? Yes.

The subprime mortgage crisis was a BIG problem that occurred due to people gambling recklessly with the lives of the poor.

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« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2013, 06:26:07 PM »

the Pentagon wasn't hit with a plane, it was a missle,
There are 100's of  witnesses paid actors  that saw a commercial airplane hit the pentagon , Where are the ''real ''eye witnesses that saw a missile hitting the building?
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« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2013, 06:26:12 PM »

  This is exactly why I like you, OMR.
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« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2013, 06:27:11 PM »

Hold everything! I've just found the actual transcript where our leaders were planning the whole thing:

Villain #1:  "OK OK, after we successfully remote-control piloted the commercial airliners into the WTC towers, and then after we have successfully launched a cruise missile into the Pentagon, and then after we successfully kill/hide/relocate all the "dead" passengers and crew members from all the commercial airliners we stole, and then after we have successfully paid off all the bribes to the 10's-OF-THOUSANDS of families, airline employees, Air Traffic Control workers, construction workers, demolition experts, every single member of the CIA, FBI, NSA and every single elected official in Washington, after we have successfully pulled off the greatest mass murder and deception in history- let's do this- lets blow the shit out of WTC Building #7 just for the fun of it."

Villian#2: "Why the fuck would we do that?"  

Watch the videos and prepare questions and retorts instead trying to use humor to ease your stress. Sounds like you don't want to know. Ignorance is not bliss my friend.
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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2013, 06:43:54 PM »

why would they do this?dont know, but they gotten cockier by now, they start new wars without asking anyone.same in europe.


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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2013, 06:54:37 PM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9mbotpeuJM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9mbotpeuJM</a>
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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2013, 06:56:08 PM »

nah comeon, banks should be there to give ppl credit and perhaps a fair mortgage.

What do you think they have done all this time?

Banks, first and foremost, are private businesses.  They are there to make a profit, not to serve as a helpful source of financial help.  They allow people to store their money away while getting a return on their investment.  They allow you to take part in secure transactions that allow for you to pay your bills, send money to other individuals and entities etc.

The problem emerges when "fat and lazy Americans", as you put it, expect the banks to somehow bend over backwards in order to cater for them.  The banks are not institutions that were created to "help" the people.  Their purpose is to make money.

What banks do indeed do for the the hardworking American people is provide lines of credit for small-large business owners, provide loans to folks that are looking to start their own business or buy their own homes.  They also help to secure your money.

everything beyond is speculation.

Like what?

here, we have negative interest opn some currencys if you keep your money at bank, whats the purpose anymore.

I can't comment on your country's present financial situation.

banks don't create wealth, they steal it somewhere else.they handle money, and take fees and whatver they can get away with..

Their purpose is not to create wealth, but to instead make a profit.  Remember, banks are for-profit private institutions.

i dont have any problem with fractional reserve banking(like many morons do), thats all fine, but banks dont produce anything, they take from someone else.

They are not supposed to produce anything, they instead look to make a profit. Private bankers or traders (like myself) trade stocks in the market in order to help small-to-large companies grow.  We sell pieces of those companies, which in turn allows for the funding needed to build those companies.  As the companies grow, they then need to hire people to accommodate for that growth.  The people they hire throughout their growth are Americans.

and i know, its the govt who go over budget and take loans from banks, the banks cant beblamed for that.

So lets not blame the banks as they are simply mediators of money, not producers of it.

as for the big companies, theres plus and minus points about them.i dont like monopolies, but ppl like to buy where its cheapest.

We have the SEC in place to counteract monopolies and it has proven to be pretty effective.  People will always want to buy the cheapest product that provides the most benefit, it's the root of capitalism.

theres no easy solution for this.

Agreed.

bw, the banks have provenly advised investors to invest in something theyd later on speculate against.

It's called taking risks.  Sometimes you take a risk and it pays off big time, other times it can fail miserably.  You have high-risk and low-risk mutual funds that function in a similar fashion.

this is not nice at all.

Most economic systems aren't nice (capitalism, socialism, communism etc..), but that's what the world subscribes to.  In my ideal world, money wouldn't exist and instead we would all work towards the betterment of humanity and the eradication of disease, while promoting the longevity of life, but that's simply one gay man's dream.

here, when somebody has more than 50k on his account, he will get a call from a small investment banker who will promise him nice profits and all.

Here, 50K is laughable and barely even serves as collateral for a home.

There's no easy fix galeniko, no easy way out..

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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2013, 07:02:18 PM »

onemorerep, did you know,when courts are handing out brutal monetray fines to banks, that those fines are tax deductable?

ie, the taxpayers pays for that when its all said and done.

furthermore, who gave the banks the bailout money, it was the govt.

incredible, the banks who lobby for deregulation and free market go and ask for taxpayer money when the shit hits the fan.

If not for those corporate bailouts our economy would collapse.  If our economy collapses there would be a ripple effect that would harm MANY countries worldwide (UK included).

Hence, why those bailouts where necessary.  The US goes down and so does half the world.  Half the world goes down and poverty becomes rampant, poverty goes rampant and you have countrywide revolutions.

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« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2013, 07:08:50 PM »

To add to my statement above, if not for those corporate bailouts:

(A) All of the banks would have gone bankrupt.

Which would have lead to...

(B) Most, if not all, S&P 500 businesses going bankrupt, as well as ALL small businesses going bankrupt (no access to short term commercial finance, which would lead to a collapse in their ability to do trade).

Not to mention..

(C) Companies like AIG would have gone under, which would lead to the bulk of Americans losing their health insurance

(D) Unemployment would reach 50% or higher over the course of months

which ultimately leads to...

(E) Revolution due to civil unrest and poverty taking over.

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« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2013, 07:10:11 PM »

So despite all the evidence from the engineers, architects and doctors many from esteemed institutes of higher learning blatantly stating those building 7 was imploded and so were the towers after the plane hit. AND, the Pentagon was hit with a missle not a plane. These are facts at this point. Are you telling me you've seen the evidence and choose to believe otherwise or you haven't seen the evidence or researched it?  
nope.they wont.
in spite of building seven and the problems with that story the media and gov wont touch it.
like fletcher prouty said years ago the act itself is easy.covering it up is a little harder.
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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2013, 07:12:48 PM »

If not for those corporate bailouts our economy would collapse.  If our economy collapses there would be a ripple effect that would harm MANY countries worldwide (UK included).

Hence, why those bailouts where necessary.  The US goes down and so does half the world.  Half the world goes down and poverty becomes rampant, poverty goes rampant and you have countrywide revolutions.

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I understand the ramifications but tell me where in Capitalism 101 that that is the answer. The exactly the problem. Things have become globalized and in essence "too big to fail" without doing great damage. So the government gives them a boost while your average small business, goes out of business. Where in Capitalism 101 is that? This is and has been slowly becoming a socialist state. Once it starts, it doesn't stop. Refer to history.

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« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2013, 07:13:05 PM »

The people responsible. You mean the Jews?
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« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2013, 07:13:31 PM »

i know, bailout is deemed necasary when the damage of bankrupcy would be higher than giving more money.

but is it democratic?

It's not about democracy, it's about capitalism.

Regarding the necessity of bailouts, I will just put this here for further reference, let me know if anything needs clarification.

If not for the bailouts..

(A) All of the banks would have gone bankrupt.

Which would have lead to...

(B) Most, if not all, S&P 500 businesses going bankrupt, as well as ALL small businesses going bankrupt (no access to short term commercial finance, which would lead to a collapse in their ability to do trade).

Not to mention..

(C) Companies like AIG would have gone under, which would lead to the bulk of Americans losing their health insurance

(D) Unemployment would reach 50% or higher over the course of months

which ultimately leads to...

(E) Revolution due to civil unrest and poverty taking over.

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« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2013, 07:20:50 PM »

another thing is, the bankers responsible for the meltdowns, rarely do you hear of one going to prison, they get a golden multimillion byebye gift when they leave.

That's because wall street traders take part in what is known as subsidized gambling.

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« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2013, 07:21:48 PM »

I understand the ramifications but tell me where in Capitalism 101 that that is the answer. The exactly the problem. Things have become globalized and in essence "too big to fail" without doing great damage. So the government gives them a boost while your average small business, goes out of business. Where in Capitalism 101 is that? This is and has been slowly becoming a socialist state. Once it starts, it doesn't stop. Refer to history.

Negative my Jewish brother.

What some people think is that this has always been is a fascist state that parades around as capitalistic.

Personally, I can't tell you what direction it is taking, but will hold firm to it's stake as a capitalist nation.

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P.S. I edited my post a bit Wigglestein..
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« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2013, 07:22:47 PM »

Negative my Jewish brother.

What this always has been is a fascist state that parades around as capitalistic.

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« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2013, 07:23:15 PM »

4000 Jews never showed up for work that day. Must have been a Jewish holiday. NOT. The 3rd building that went down was owned by a Jew who took out insurance a month before
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« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2013, 07:24:45 PM »

I don't want to turn this into a "Jew" thing. It's not about race/religion on this.
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« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2013, 07:26:40 PM »

I don't want to turn this into a "Jew" thing. It's not about race/religion on this.

Yes, let's not turn it into a Jewish thing.

I am Jewish, but I'm as much of a spoke in the wheel as everyone else.

I am after the same American dream that everyone else is after.

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« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2013, 07:34:09 PM »

That's because wall street traders take part in what is known as subsidized gambling.
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