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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2013, 08:25:51 AM »


Seriously, hardly anyone on this board can DIRECTLY defend a topic. They'll oppose a viewpoint, but their following defense regards something different. Undecided


We've been responding for 13 fucking years....or maybe we don't have enough Predator drones in the sky.  My issue is that the GOP are blaming Hillary for the attacks as if she had joined the Taliban and opened fire on them. 

Its not about getting answers....its just partisan politics as usual


Quod erat demonstrandum.
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2013, 09:00:03 AM »


Quod erat demonstrandum.

He's not the quickest on the uptick.
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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2013, 11:42:56 AM »

He's not the quickest on the uptick.


I like Vince. He's a good-hearted guy without a mean bone in his body. But, his post perfectly illustrates my point. We're not talking about any other embassy attacks; just this one, and the circumstances surrounding it.
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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2013, 12:38:28 PM »

The ambassador begged for more security many times and was denied by State Dept. FACT

It was voted down by republicans because it would mean more spending Tongue

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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2013, 12:39:38 PM »

It was voted down by republicans because it would mean more spending Tongue



Bullshit. 
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« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2013, 12:41:16 PM »

Bullshit. 

I know.

But if it was on vote they would have voted it down.

Remember the Sandy relief?
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« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2013, 12:42:08 PM »

I know.

But if it was on vote they would have voted it down.

Remember the Sandy relief?

I do remember that pork laden waste.  Yes. 
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« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2013, 02:54:27 PM »

I do remember that pork laden waste.  Yes. 


Is there a bill without pork?

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/01/hurricane-sandy-relief-bill/60486/
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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2013, 02:58:53 PM »


I like Vince. He's a good-hearted guy without a mean bone in his body. But, his post perfectly illustrates my point. We're not talking about any other embassy attacks; just this one, and the circumstances surrounding it.



Hell yea.  They'll start yapping about Bush, Reagan, and any other dumb ass thing to distract the subject.
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« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2013, 03:10:19 PM »

“By lip-synching the national anthem, Beyoncé has cast a dark cloud over the President’s second term,” said Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky).  “The only way President Obama can remove that cloud is by resigning from office at once.”

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/01/obama-urged-to-resign-over-beyonc-scandal.html#ixzz2IvwGVWHS
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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2013, 03:11:24 PM »

“By lip-synching the national anthem, Beyoncé has cast a dark cloud over the President’s second term,” said Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky).  “The only way President Obama can remove that cloud is by resigning from office at once.”

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/01/obama-urged-to-resign-over-beyonc-scandal.html#ixzz2IvwGVWHS


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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2013, 03:21:03 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2013, 03:48:02 PM »

Tongue

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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2013, 05:15:31 PM »

the response was perfectly fine when you look at similar events as a measuring stick. Of all previous embassy attacks this one was actually quickly dealt with in relative terms.


What "similar events" are you talking about?  "Similar" means a sustained terrorist attack on an American embassy, that lasted for hours (about seven hours in this instance), resulting in the murder of four Americans, including an American diplomat. 
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« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2013, 05:16:40 PM »



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« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2013, 08:35:01 AM »

“By lip-synching the national anthem, Beyoncé has cast a dark cloud over the President’s second term,” said Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky).  “The only way President Obama can remove that cloud is by resigning from office at once.”

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/01/obama-urged-to-resign-over-beyonc-scandal.html#ixzz2IvwGVWHS

Cool story.

If it's not a big deal then why is this DEMOCRAT still upset about it?

Beyonce has yet to apologize to Chuck Schumer for lip-syncing at inauguration
By TARA PALMERI and TODD VENEZIA
Last Updated: 8:50 AM, January 28, 2013
Posted: 1:48 AM, January 28, 2013
Her phony warbling made Chuck Schumer look like a fool — but she hasn’t apologized to him for it.

The New York senator angrily admitted yesterday that the pop queen has not called him to say sorry after she turned last week’s inaugural bash into an unexpected Milli Vanilli concert by lip-syncing “The Star-Spangled Banner.”

“I have not heard from her before, during or after,” a testy Schumer told The Post after he was asked if Beyoncé had called him to give a musical mea culpa. “She did not talk to me at all. I didn’t say any words to her, period.”

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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2013, 08:41:22 AM »

“Sen. Schumer promised Beyoncé, but he delivered Milli Vanilli instead,” quipped one Republican congressional aide last week.

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« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2013, 05:46:16 PM »

So, Beyonce is white, now?
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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2013, 10:02:58 AM »

When I took Hillary Rodham Clinton to task in January for the mishandling of security in Benghazi, Libya, I told her that if I had been president at the time, I would have relieved her of her post. Some politicians and pundits took offense at my line of questioning.
 
During those hearings, I reminded Mrs. Clinton that multiple requests were sent to the State Department asking for increased security measures. I asked if she had read the cables from Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens asking for increased security. She replied that she was busy and had not read them. I find that inexcusable.
 
Four months later, we are hearing that Mrs. Clinton allegedly withheld information from a counterterrorism bureau during the response. We are hearing new allegations that Special Forces wanting to respond during the attacks were told, “You can’t go” by superiors. Ambassador Stevens‘ deputy, Gregory Hicks, testified this week that he spoke with Mrs. Clinton on the night of the attack, when these orders were given. We are hearing that Mr. Hicks was initially told by the State Department not to meet with congressional investigators.
 
We are, again, hearing allegations that contradict the White House’s story.
 
Benghazi security was a life-and-death matter that resulted in the latter. The notion that high-ranking government officials are somehow beyond reproach, as some suggested during my criticism of Mrs. Clinton, is dangerous and wrong.
 
The secretary of state’s responsibility is to protect our diplomats. Mrs. Clinton should have been relieved of her post for denying pleas for additional security. Almost 20 years ago, President Clinton’s secretary of defense was relieved of his post for a similarly bad decision.
 
In early October 1993, a battle between U.S. forces and Somali militia in Mogadishu left 18 Americans soldiers dead, 80 wounded and two American helicopters shot down. Today, this is remembered as the Battle of Mogadishu or more popularly, “Black Hawk Down,” thanks to a subsequent movie of the same name.
 
A month earlier in September, then-Chairman of the Joints Chief of Staff Colin L. Powell requested soldiers, tanks and armor-plated vehicles to reinforce the mission in Somalia. Secretary of Defense Les Aspin denied these requests. The Associated Press reported the following on Oct. 8, 1993, just days after the Battle of Mogadishu: “Defense Secretary Les Aspin today brushed aside calls for his resignation as ‘the politics of Capitol Hill,’ but conceded that in light of recent casualties, he shouldn’t have rejected a request to send more armor and troops to Somalia last month.”
 
Two months later, after less than a year of service, Aspin resigned as secretary of defense.
 
Though Mr. Clinton cited personal reasons for Aspin’s resignation, it was reported widely that he had asked him to step down. Aspin did ultimately accept responsibility for his decisions, saying, “The ultimate responsibility for the safety of our troops is mine. I was aware of the request and could have directed that a deployment order be drawn up. I did not, and I accept responsibility for the consequences.”
 
By refusing to grant requests for weapons and reinforcement in Somalia in 1993, Aspin made a bad decision, admitted his bad decision, accepted responsibility and eventually left his position as a result of it.
 
When Ambassador Stevens, Libya’s site-security team commander Lt. Col. Andrew Wood and others made repeated requests for increased security and resources in Benghazi, those requests were ignored. No one denies that these requests crossed Mrs. Clinton’s desk. But virtually everyone involved has denied that they should accept responsibility for the tragedy in Benghazi.
 
Now there are new allegations, accusations that arguably bear more significance on how this tragedy unfolded. It is imperative that we continue to ask: Who was responsible?
 
My job as a U.S. senator and as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is to be part of the confirmation process for high-ranking national security positions as well as review the performance of officeholders. When Aspin made bad decisions in 1993, he testified before the Senate, which examined his job performance, and many gave him a bad review.
 
Mrs. Clinton was never above a similar job-performance review. When I asked her in January if her resignation meant that she was finally accepting responsibility, the answer never came.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/10/the-moment-of-responsibility-for-hillary-clinton/#ixzz2SuUaqOv1
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« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2013, 12:05:05 PM »

When I took Hillary Rodham Clinton to task in January for the mishandling of security in Benghazi, Libya, I told her that if I had been president at the time, I would have relieved her of her post. Some politicians and pundits took offense at my line of questioning.
 
During those hearings, I reminded Mrs. Clinton that multiple requests were sent to the State Department asking for increased security measures. I asked if she had read the cables from Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens asking for increased security. She replied that she was busy and had not read them. I find that inexcusable.
 
Four months later, we are hearing that Mrs. Clinton allegedly withheld information from a counterterrorism bureau during the response. We are hearing new allegations that Special Forces wanting to respond during the attacks were told, “You can’t go” by superiors. Ambassador Stevens‘ deputy, Gregory Hicks, testified this week that he spoke with Mrs. Clinton on the night of the attack, when these orders were given. We are hearing that Mr. Hicks was initially told by the State Department not to meet with congressional investigators.
 
We are, again, hearing allegations that contradict the White House’s story.
 
Benghazi security was a life-and-death matter that resulted in the latter. The notion that high-ranking government officials are somehow beyond reproach, as some suggested during my criticism of Mrs. Clinton, is dangerous and wrong.
 
The secretary of state’s responsibility is to protect our diplomats. Mrs. Clinton should have been relieved of her post for denying pleas for additional security. Almost 20 years ago, President Clinton’s secretary of defense was relieved of his post for a similarly bad decision.
 
In early October 1993, a battle between U.S. forces and Somali militia in Mogadishu left 18 Americans soldiers dead, 80 wounded and two American helicopters shot down. Today, this is remembered as the Battle of Mogadishu or more popularly, “Black Hawk Down,” thanks to a subsequent movie of the same name.
 
A month earlier in September, then-Chairman of the Joints Chief of Staff Colin L. Powell requested soldiers, tanks and armor-plated vehicles to reinforce the mission in Somalia. Secretary of Defense Les Aspin denied these requests. The Associated Press reported the following on Oct. 8, 1993, just days after the Battle of Mogadishu: “Defense Secretary Les Aspin today brushed aside calls for his resignation as ‘the politics of Capitol Hill,’ but conceded that in light of recent casualties, he shouldn’t have rejected a request to send more armor and troops to Somalia last month.”
 
Two months later, after less than a year of service, Aspin resigned as secretary of defense.
 
Though Mr. Clinton cited personal reasons for Aspin’s resignation, it was reported widely that he had asked him to step down. Aspin did ultimately accept responsibility for his decisions, saying, “The ultimate responsibility for the safety of our troops is mine. I was aware of the request and could have directed that a deployment order be drawn up. I did not, and I accept responsibility for the consequences.”
 
By refusing to grant requests for weapons and reinforcement in Somalia in 1993, Aspin made a bad decision, admitted his bad decision, accepted responsibility and eventually left his position as a result of it.
 
When Ambassador Stevens, Libya’s site-security team commander Lt. Col. Andrew Wood and others made repeated requests for increased security and resources in Benghazi, those requests were ignored. No one denies that these requests crossed Mrs. Clinton’s desk. But virtually everyone involved has denied that they should accept responsibility for the tragedy in Benghazi.
 
Now there are new allegations, accusations that arguably bear more significance on how this tragedy unfolded. It is imperative that we continue to ask: Who was responsible?
 
My job as a U.S. senator and as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is to be part of the confirmation process for high-ranking national security positions as well as review the performance of officeholders. When Aspin made bad decisions in 1993, he testified before the Senate, which examined his job performance, and many gave him a bad review.
 
Mrs. Clinton was never above a similar job-performance review. When I asked her in January if her resignation meant that she was finally accepting responsibility, the answer never came.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/10/the-moment-of-responsibility-for-hillary-clinton/#ixzz2SuUaqOv1
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Good commentary.  I think the comparison to Les Aspin is spot on.  Ironic too. 
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