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« on: January 28, 2013, 06:53:46 PM »

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY LATEST TO HIGHLIGHT FLAWED LOGIC OF CUOMO GUN GRAB

It may not take ‘10 bullets to kill a deer’, but… an unloaded AR-15 protected a household

Brewster, N.Y. – 1/24/2013 – The Department of Homeland Security is the latest to find Governor Cuomo’s anti-Second Amendment agenda is at odds with reality. A report by Steve McGough of RadioViceOnline.com cites a General Service Administration (GSA) request for proposal (RFP) on behalf of the Department of Homeland Security and member components such as Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) seeking over 7,000 AR-15’s and matching 30 round clips.

The RFP describes these weapons as “personal defense weapons” and states they are “suitable for personal defense use in close quarters.” Governor Cuomo in his recently passed “SAFE Act” has banned these very same modern sporting rifles and clips the federal government finds to be “personal defense weapons.”

This federal government rebuke of Cuomo comes just hours after news broke that two students from Rochester lives were evidently saved by an AR-15 as armed intruders entered their home. The very same personal defense weapon Cuomo plans to take out of law abiding gun owners hands protected two of New York’s best and brightest.

Senator Greg Ball (Patterson – R, C, I) Chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee said, “Now the Department of Homeland Security even agrees that these modern sporting firearms, made illegal by Governor Cuomo, are suitable for self defense. On top of that, a recent story reports that two RIT students who were legal gun owners were protected by an AR-15. The story may have had a very tragic ending, had Governor Cuomo’s anti-self defense bill been in full effect. If the story is accurate, their legal ownership of this modern sporting rifle evidently saved their lives. While Cuomo says ‘it doesn’t take 10 bullets to kill a deer’, it evidently only took an unloaded AR-15 to protect a household. Luckily these criminals struck before Governor Cuomo’s gun grab was fully unleashed.”
 

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Original Story: http://radioviceonline.com/department-of-homeland-security-sport-rifle-ar-15-suitable-for-personal-defense/

RFP: https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d791b6aa0fd9d3d8833b2efa08300033&tab=core&_cview=0

13WHAM on RIT Students: http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Homeowners-Scare-Off-Burglars/7yaLSXAvCUGBkwgAZpGO4g.cspx

http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/department-homeland-security-latest-highlight-flawed-logic-cuomo-gun-grab



As Senator Greg Ball (R-NY) points out, when it is the government in question, then AR-15s are just fine for personal defense, including with matching 30 round clips.

Just not for YOUR personal defense. Unreal.

If they’re painted pink, are they more acceptable looking?
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2013, 07:14:55 PM »

Bingo - the cops want to arm theselves w AR's why?
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2013, 07:47:52 PM »

newsflash

LE and agencies of the Federal governemnt has a lot of stuff that you're not allowed to have

This is nothing new
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2013, 07:56:06 PM »

newsflash

LE and agencies of the Federal governemnt has a lot of stuff that you're not allowed to have

This is nothing new

What are they worried about?
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 08:18:51 PM »

What are they worried about?

What are you worried about
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2013, 08:22:55 PM »

Bingo - the cops want to arm theselves w AR's why?

Pretty funny. They highlight how they want them because they're quality personal defense but you're not allowed to have quality personal defense for yourself.


Just another example of the stunning hypocrisy displayed by your typical leftist prog.
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2013, 08:28:25 PM »

newsflash

LE and agencies of the Federal governemnt has a lot of stuff that you're not allowed to have

This is nothing new
newsflash, the bill Fienstupid is putting forward exempts herself, government officials and retired law enforement.  The point being that all of these people want them for "personal protection" and because, "criminals won't follow the rules" lol...
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2013, 08:30:42 PM »

newsflash, the bill Fienstupid is putting forward exempts herself, government officials and retired law enforement.  The point being that all of these people want them for "personal protection" and because, "criminals won't follow the rules" lol...

Yet we the citizen have to deal w these same criminals every day that the police feel the need to defend themselves w AR's right?  But we cant have AR's to defend ourselves against these same criminals right?

What am I missing here?
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2013, 08:31:02 PM »

newsflash, the bill Fienstupid is putting forward exempts herself, government officials and retired law enforement.  The point being that all of these people want them for "personal protection" and because, "criminals won't follow the rules" lol...
I also lol'd.

I don't understand their logic... We (citizens) don't need them/shouldn't have them to protect ourselves (not even getting into the other legitimate sporting uses for the rifles), but government officials and retired LE need/should be able to have them to defend themselves.

Epic. Lulz.
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2013, 08:45:45 PM »

I also lol'd.

I don't understand their logic... We (citizens) don't need them/shouldn't have them to protect ourselves (not even getting into the other legitimate sporting uses for the rifles), but government officials and retired LE need/should be able to have them to defend themselves.

Epic. Lulz.

You're trash and thus expendable. People like Feinstein are special because they're parasites who chose to park their asses in congress for decades on end.
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2013, 08:47:29 PM »

You're trash and thus expendable. People like Feinstein are special because they're parasites who chose to park their asses in congress for decades on end.
It's not even Feinstein that bothers me, I'm sure plenty of people would love to assissinate her ass so I can slightly understand that... What bothers me is why retired LE need them to defend themselves, but we shouldnt? Does that even make any sense? Joe-fuckin-blow retired street cop needs an AR to defend himself but your average citizen does not?
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2013, 08:49:27 PM »

It's not even Feinstein that bothers me, I'm sure plenty of people would love to assissinate her ass so I can slightly understand that... What bothers me is why retired LE need them to defend themselves, but we shouldnt? Does that even make any sense? Joe-fuckin-blow retired street cop needs an AR to defend himself but your average citizen does not?

Joe Blow is different from a retired cop who barely went to the range never shot a bullett in the line of duty how?   Grin  Grin  Grin
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2013, 08:50:13 PM »

It's not even Feinstein that bothers me, I'm sure plenty of people would love to assissinate her ass so I can slightly understand that... What bothers me is why retired LE need them to defend themselves, but we shouldnt? Does that even make any sense? Joe-fuckin-blow retired street cop needs an AR to defend himself but your average citizen does not?

I think including guys like LE and retired LE is done to appease them and keep them on her side. If they're pushing to take your guns away but they give you a pass because you're going to be the one enforcing said law, I'd reckon you'd be more likely to enforce the law as it wouldn't affect you in any way.
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2013, 08:52:14 PM »

Joe Blow is different from a retired cop who barely went to the range never shot a bullett in the line of duty how?   Grin  Grin  Grin
Exactly my point, Joe-fucking-blow retired street cop that has no more of a valid reason to need to defend himself any more than any other random citizen should be able to have an AR, but we shouldn't?
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2013, 08:53:15 PM »

I think including guys like LE and retired LE is done to appease them and keep them on her side. If they're pushing to take your guns away but they give you a pass because you're going to be the enforcing said law, I'd reckon you'd be more likely to enforce the law as it wouldn't affect you in anyway.
Yeah, I was thinking along those same lines.
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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2013, 08:53:35 PM »

Exactly my point, Joe-fucking-blow retired street cop that has no more of a valid reason to need to defend himself any more than any other random citizen should be able to have an AR, but we shouldn't?

Its called media brainwashing the sheep 
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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2013, 09:37:52 PM »

Ill give straw the benefit of the doubt and say he thought it was just the DHS and not retired govt officials.

But I do want to hear how straw feels about feinsteins bill giving passes to retired govt employees.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2013, 01:13:46 AM »

the government also has grenades, missiles, and nukes.

fucking hypocrits for not allowing citizens to possess those weapons.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2013, 01:18:51 AM »

the government also has grenades, missiles, and nukes.

fucking hypocrits for not allowing citizens to possess those weapons.

nukes, grenades, and missiles could kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of people.

Assault weapons only kill a few hundred a year. 

You're not a very good anarchist...  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2013, 02:04:33 AM »

the government also has grenades, missiles, and nukes.

fucking hypocrits for not allowing citizens to possess those weapons.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=456205.msg6574395#msg6574395
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2013, 02:12:36 AM »

Bingo - the cops want to arm theselves w AR's why?
to make us slaves
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2013, 11:10:21 AM »

nukes, grenades, and missiles could kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of people.

Assault weapons only kill a few hundred a year. 

You're not a very good anarchist...  Roll Eyes
am i arguing for regulations on nukes grenades or missiles?

no


im just pointing out the hypocrisy of people getting mad at regulations on one type of weapon, and not others.

conservatives are fuck jobs, plain and simple


(as for the ar-15 being less lethal than bombs.. sure. but thats not the argument.)
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