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Author Topic: The Constitutionality of the Proposed Gun Violence Prevention Legislation  (Read 1146 times)
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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2013, 09:52:15 PM »

This thread makes my head hurt.
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2013, 10:02:53 PM »

nice to see my thread worked out

I'm not really interested, guns shouldn't be restricted regardless of whether or not it's constitutional to do so.  

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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2013, 10:47:51 PM »

The names of the constitutional scholars who signed (more than 50) are on the webpage. I left them out here to save space.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-r-stone/the-second-amendment_b_2581625.html

The following statement, which UCLA law professor Adam Winkler and I crafted, was signed by more than fifty of the nation's most distinguished constitutional law professors. The statement refutes unfounded claims that the Second Amendment precludes Congress from enacting legislation to reduce gun violence in the United States. Although these scholars hold widely divergent views on constitutional interpretation, and often fiercely disagree on a broad range of constitutional issues, they all agree on this question. The statement was submitted today to Congress in anticipation of the beginning of hearings on the proposed legislation.

Statement of Professors of Constitutional Law: The Second Amendment and the Constitutionality of the Proposed Gun Violence Prevention Legislation

Several proposed reforms to the nation's gun laws, including universal background checks and restrictions on high-capacity ammunition magazines and assault weapons, are now pending before Congress. Concerns have been raised that these measures might violate the Second Amendment. We, the undersigned professors with expertise in constitutional law, write to address those concerns.

In 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment, which provides, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed," guarantees an individual's right to have a functional firearm in the home for self-defense. The Court's decision in that case, District of Columbia v. Heller, struck down a D.C. law that effectively barred the use of any firearm for self-defense. The law is now clear that the government may not completely disarm law-abiding, responsible citizens. The Court also made clear, however, that many gun regulations remain constitutionally permissible. "Like most rights," the Court explained, "the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited." Writing for the Court, Justice Antonin Scalia explained that restrictions on "dangerous and unusual" weapons are constitutional and that "nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt" on laws that prohibit "the possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill" or laws that impose "conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."

In this sense, Justice Scalia recognized in Heller that, like other constitutional rights, the Second Amendment is not an absolute. The First Amendment, for example, provides that "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech," but the Supreme Court has long and consistently held that some types of speech -- for example, defamation, obscenity and threats -- can be regulated; that some people -- for example, public employees, members of the military, students and prisoners -- are subject to greater restrictions on their speech than others; and that the government can reasonably regulate the time, place and manner of speech. As Justice Scalia explained in Heller, the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment are likewise subject to appropriate regulation in order to enhance public safety.

In acknowledging the presumptive constitutionality of laws designed to prevent gun violence, including restrictions on who has access to firearms and what types of firearms they may have, Heller is consistent with the history of the right to keep and bear arms. The founding fathers who wrote and ratified the Second Amendment also had laws to keep guns out of the hands of people thought to be untrustworthy. Such laws were necessary to ensure that the citizen militia referenced in the Second Amendment was "well regulated." In the 1800s, many states restricted the sale or public possession of concealable firearms. In the early twentieth century, the federal government restricted access to unusually dangerous weapons, such as machine guns, and states barred people convicted of certain felonies from possessing firearms. Laws such as these were routinely upheld by the courts, which recognized the legitimacy of legislative efforts to keep the most dangerous weapons out of the hands of the most dangerous people.

While the permissibility of any particular reform depends on its details, the reforms currently being considered by Congress are clearly consistent with the Second Amendment. We express no view on the effectiveness or desirability of the policies reflected in the various proposals, but we all agree that none infringes the core right identified by the Court in Heller.

Universal background checks, especially those conducted instantaneously through the National Instant Background Check System, do not impose a significant burden on law-abiding citizens. Yet background checks may provide an important safeguard against easy access to guns by members of criminal street gangs, other felons and the mentally ill. As with other rights that have eligibility criteria, such as the right to vote, the right to keep and bear arms is not offended by neutral measures designed to ensure that only eligible, law-abiding citizens exercise the right. Moreover, background checks imposed at the point of sale are typical of the "conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms" recognized by the Supreme Court in Heller.

Restrictions on the manufacture and sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines and assault weapons are also consistent with the Second Amendment. In a recent opinion authored by Judge Douglas Ginsburg and joined by Judge Karen Henderson, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit held that such regulations are consistent with the Second Amendment and with the Supreme Court's decision in Heller. The court of appeals recognized such weapons and magazines are not necessary for individual self-defense -- what Heller called the "core lawful purpose" of the Second Amendment. Restrictions on high-capacity magazines and assault weapons, the court of appeals held, do "not effectively disarm individuals or substantially affect their ability to defend themselves." The Second Amendment, like the First Amendment, does not prevent lawmakers from enacting reasonable regulations that do not seriously interfere with the core right guaranteed by the Constitution.

The Supreme Court has clearly held that the Second Amendment preserves the right of law-abiding citizens to have a firearm in the home for self-defense. As both the historical tradition of the right to bear arms and the Court's decision suggest, reasonable and limited measures to enhance public safety that do not unduly burden that right are consistent with the Second Amendment.

A good portion of these twats also don't even believe in the constitution and think it's outdated and needs to be scraped. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2013, 05:07:54 AM »

A good portion of these twats also don't even believe in the constitution and think it's outdated and needs to be scraped. Roll Eyes

can we get a link to these " good portion" of professors
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2013, 05:29:37 AM »

can we get a link to these " good portion" of professors
"good portion" was sarcasm based on it being close enough to be true.  I don't have a link, but there has been no shortage of Harvard/Yale type twits over the years who have come forward with opinions that the Constitution is outdated. This isn't exactly new lol....
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« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2013, 05:50:16 AM »

can you post one that said the constitution needs to be scraped
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« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2013, 06:34:57 AM »

can you post one that said the constitution needs to be scraped

Sandy Levinson thinks there should be a new constitutional convention
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« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2013, 06:38:31 AM »

nice to see my thread worked out
Lol now you know how I feel everytime I try to have a serious discussion with the mental patients that make up the liberal goof troop
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« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2013, 07:04:11 AM »


fox news smart  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy dario is getting his news from fox and friends hahahahahahaha


Look at this joke of a twink.

Accusing others of watching Fox, while being the only one to continually mention them and knowing what they report.

No, I don't watch Fox and it's pretty stupid of you to think they come up with that information by themselves.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2013/jan/09/global-warming-met-office-paused

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/archive/2013/decadal-forecasts
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« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2013, 07:16:16 AM »

Look at this joke of a twink.

Accusing others of watching Fox, while being the only one to continually mention them and knowing what they report.

No, I don't watch Fox and it's pretty stupid of you to think they come up with that information by themselves.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2013/jan/09/global-warming-met-office-paused

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/archive/2013/decadal-forecasts




hahahahahaa yeah ok you don't watch fox news  Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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