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« on: January 31, 2013, 04:31:14 AM »

In terms of the law, does the "no trespassing" sign give him right to shoot and kill? I am assuming no because the guy is being charged with murder. Getbiggers, speak on this.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/26/florida-man-kills-door-to-door-salesman-i%E2%80%99ll-kill-anybody-that-steps-on-my-property/

A man in Cape Coral, Florida on Wednesday was arrested for shooting and killing an unarmed door-to-door salesman on his property.

Kenneth Bailey Roop, 52, has been charged with second-degree murder for killing 30-year-old Nicholas Rainey.

A co-worker who witnessed the shooting said Rainey had knocked on Roop痴 door, but received no answer. While Rainey was walking down the drive-way, Roop pulled up in his pickup truck and asked why Rainey was at his house. Rainey explained that he was selling steak and seafood. The witness said Roop then pulled out a black handgun and shot Rainey. As Rainey lay on the ground, Roop fired another bullet into the back of his head.

Roop later told police that he shot Rainey in the head 吐or effect and that he had three no trespassing signs on his property. Roop said he feared for his life.

的知 not going to give him the chance to do something to me, he told police. 的 was in fear.

An off-duty Collier County sheriff痴 deputy was nearby and heard the gunshots. When she arrived at Roop痴 property, she found Rainey dying on the ground while Roop was in his garage reloading his handgun.

滴e was telling the officer, 蘇e stepped on my property, he trespassed, I値l kill anybody that steps on my property, somewhere along them lines. It was just unbelievable, one witness told the The News-Press. 鉄he never flinched. She deserves a medal. I don稚 think he was done [shooting].

The deputy ordered Roop to drop his weapon and held him at gunpoint until police officers arrived.

Roop痴 neighbors described him as 鍍he neighborhood crazy. Roop has a concealed weapons permit and approximately 14 firearms.
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 04:48:41 AM »



Roop痴 neighbors described him as 鍍he neighborhood crazy. Roop has a concealed weapons permit and approximately 14 firearms.

Nice and subtle at the end of the article so it's something you remember... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 04:54:18 AM »

Nice and subtle at the end of the article so it's something you remember... Roll Eyes
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Wiggs, what about my question? does his "no trespassing" sign allow him to shoot if someone is on his property, even if the person poses no threat?
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2013, 04:55:56 AM »

Nice and subtle at the end of the article so it's something you remember... Roll Eyes
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Wiggs, what about my question? does his "no trespassing" sign allow him to shoot if someone is on his property, even if the person poses no threat?

No. Not if they don't pose a threat. Clearly this guy is insane. A loophole that needs to be closed. Laws need to be enforced that are on the books before making new ones.
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2013, 04:59:07 AM »

No. Not if they don't pose a threat. Clearly this guy is insane. A loophole that needs to be closed. Laws need to be enforced that are on the books before making new ones.

Yeah, the guy seems off his rocker. Definitely paranoid.

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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2013, 05:06:04 AM »

Door-to-door salesmen are annoying A-holes that usually sell absolute SHIT (in fact, some of these dudes are just casing the joint). They also set my dogs off knocking on the door even though I have a sign asking for no salesman calls or fastfood menus etc...

Shooting them is a little extreme though...
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2013, 05:16:32 AM »

Another RIGHT WING GUN NUTTER - This is what happens when people buy into all the NRA gun Propaganda and lies, it is way too easy to take it too the extreme, other famous gun nutters, Timothy McVeigh, Geroge Zimmerpig and David Koresh
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2013, 05:18:19 AM »

Another RIGHT WING GUN NUTTER - This is what happens when people buy into all the NRA gun Propaganda and lies, it is way too easy to take it too the extreme, other famous gun nutters, Timothy McVeigh and David Koresh

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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2013, 05:18:27 AM »

What a penis.
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2013, 05:19:20 AM »

Another RIGHT WING GUN NUTTER - This is what happens when people buy into all the NRA gun Propaganda and lies, it is way too easy to take it too the extreme, other famous gun nutters, Timothy McVeigh and David Koresh

Should have had a pit bull instead.  Would have kept you away during your rounds as a door to door lube salesman.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2013, 05:21:44 AM »

Door-to-door salesmen are annoying A-holes that usually sell absolute SHIT (in fact, some of these dudes are just casing the joint). They also set my dogs off knocking on the door even though I have a sign asking for no salesman calls or fastfood menus etc...

Shooting them is a little extreme though...

so...... is it safe?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG5Qk-jB0D4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG5Qk-jB0D4</a>
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2013, 05:24:41 AM »

In terms of the law, does the "no trespassing" sign give him right to shoot and kill? I am assuming no because the guy is being charged with murder. Getbiggers, speak on this.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/26/florida-man-kills-door-to-door-salesman-i%E2%80%99ll-kill-anybody-that-steps-on-my-property/

A man in Cape Coral, Florida on Wednesday was arrested for shooting and killing an unarmed door-to-door salesman on his property.

Kenneth Bailey Roop, 52, has been charged with second-degree murder for killing 30-year-old Nicholas Rainey.

A co-worker who witnessed the shooting said Rainey had knocked on Roop痴 door, but received no answer. While Rainey was walking down the drive-way, Roop pulled up in his pickup truck and asked why Rainey was at his house. Rainey explained that he was selling steak and seafood. The witness said Roop then pulled out a black handgun and shot Rainey. As Rainey lay on the ground, Roop fired another bullet into the back of his head.

Roop later told police that he shot Rainey in the head 吐or effect and that he had three no trespassing signs on his property. Roop said he feared for his life.

的知 not going to give him the chance to do something to me, he told police. 的 was in fear.

An off-duty Collier County sheriff痴 deputy was nearby and heard the gunshots. When she arrived at Roop痴 property, she found Rainey dying on the ground while Roop was in his garage reloading his handgun.

滴e was telling the officer, 蘇e stepped on my property, he trespassed, I値l kill anybody that steps on my property, somewhere along them lines. It was just unbelievable, one witness told the The News-Press. 鉄he never flinched. She deserves a medal. I don稚 think he was done [shooting].

The deputy ordered Roop to drop his weapon and held him at gunpoint until police officers arrived.

Roop痴 neighbors described him as 鍍he neighborhood crazy. Roop has a concealed weapons permit and approximately 14 firearms.


Door to door salesman should be escorted by armed guards.
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2013, 05:33:59 AM »

I see their are the usual NUTS commenting on this story as if shooting door to door salesmen is appropriate behaviour in a civilised country.  America really is a failed Country.  They may have money, but they don't have any CLUES whatsoever.
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2013, 05:39:12 AM »

I see their are the usual NUTS commenting on this story as if shooting door to door salesmen is appropriate behaviour in a civilised country.  America really is a failed Country.  They may have money, but they don't have any CLUES whatsoever.



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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2013, 05:40:28 AM »


^^^ Oh Brother, now the Pitbull Nutters have arrived!

It always surprises me how many getbiggers deeply identify with deranged, psychotic and unhinged individuals.
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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2013, 05:40:48 AM »

It's not that difficult. This guy should be executed. No ifs ands or buts about it. You need to draw a line on what these crazys can get away with. He had no business killing this man, but now needs to pay the price. His property should be sold off and given to the family of the dead salesman.
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2013, 05:41:19 AM »

^^^ Oh Brother, now the Pitbull Nutters have arrived!

Double threat!


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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2013, 05:56:09 AM »

Poor guy, he wasn't doing any harm just trying to sell steak and seafood.  The shooter should get life for murdering someone who wasn't a threat to him.
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2013, 06:09:27 AM »

Poor guy, he wasn't doing any harm just trying to sell steak and seafood.  The shooter should get life for murdering someone who wasn't a threat to him.
Of Course you are RIGHT booty, every reasonable person would agree with you, but in America, they breed CRAZY by the hundreds of thousands, and their will be many gun nutters who will justify this CRAZY MANS actions!  When half the population is CRAZY, it soon becomes hard to tell which is the crazy side and which isn't, as both the crazies and the non crazies both accuse each other of being crazy.  America is a CRAZY place for CRAZY people!
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2013, 06:10:59 AM »

Of Course you are RIGHT booty, every reasonable person would agree with you, but in America, they breed CRAZY by the hundreds of thousands, and their will be many gun nutters who will justify this CRAZY MANS actions!  When half the population is CRAZY, it soon becomes hard to tell which is the crazy side and which isn't, as both the crazies and the non crazies both accuse each other of being crazy.  America is a CRAZY place for CRAZY people!

America, fuck yeah. 


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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2013, 06:12:26 AM »

That's the problem with concealed carry. Think about the nuts on your block that have no police record carrying a gun that could take a life with a little movement of an index finger.

The growing concealed carry movement is scary. Think of the fender bender car accidents that would lead to a shooting after an argument. That is how the first concealed carry shooting happened in Texas. A guy threw a punch in a fender bender and the other guy shot him dead. No gun and he would have had a band aid on his face instead of one of them dead. How many dopes would kill someone for being pushed in an argument?

I have carried for 30 years but stand your ground type laws should be illegal. It should read if you are a civilian with a gun retreating is the first option unless the threat of loss of life is eminent and is mandatory out side of defending your home.

When you shoot it's a split second judgement that will be pondered over for weeks by judges, law enforcement, attorneys, and juries. It's a hard enough thing for professional police let alone some guy with a gun on his hip that just left his job delivering pizza.
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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2013, 06:14:54 AM »

That's the problem with concealed carry. Think about the nuts on your block that have no police record carrying a gun that could take a life with a little movement of an index finger.

The growing concealed carry movement is scary. Think of the fender bender car accidents that would lead to a shooting after an argument. That is how the first concealed carry shooting happened in Texas. A guy threw a punch in a fender bender and the other guy shot him dead. No gun and he would have had a band aid on his face instead of one of them dead. How many dopes would kill someone for being pushed in an argument?

I have carried for 30 years but stand your ground type laws should be illegal. It should read if you are a civilian with a gun retreating is the first option and is mandatory out side of defending your home.

When you shoot it's a split second judgement that will be pondered over for weeks by judges, attorneys, and juries. It's a hard enough thing for professional police let alone some guy with a gun on his hip that just left his job delivering pizza.

On a serious note, I agree with the statements above.  The Florida stand your ground law is way to ambiguous.
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2013, 06:26:55 AM »

He had no legitimate reason to trespass on his property. You should be allowed to kill anyone who illegally does, especially with signs posted.
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2013, 06:28:24 AM »

He had no legitimate reason to trespass on his property. You should be allowed to kill anyone who illegally does, especially with signs posted.
That's crazy talk.  The salesman wasn't posing a threat to him.  This shooter is a crazy red neck or what we call in aussie a bogan.
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2013, 06:30:39 AM »

Of Course you are RIGHT booty, every reasonable person would agree with you, but in America, they breed CRAZY by the hundreds of thousands, and their will be many gun nutters who will justify this CRAZY MANS actions!  When half the population is CRAZY, it soon becomes hard to tell which is the crazy side and which isn't, as both the crazies and the non crazies both accuse each other of being crazy.  America is a CRAZY place for CRAZY people!
Nobody in this thread is arguing that what this man did was ok. You are a fucking agenda driven idiot.

STFU for once.
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