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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2013, 06:12:21 PM »


Don't be fooled by that fat crook. He ran Gerald Ford against Reagan and lost. He ran George Bush Sr. against Reagan and lost. He is not a conservative. He is not the standard bearer for the GOP. He is a fat, crooked, big government slob who is just as bad as Obama.



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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2013, 09:55:42 AM »

Believe what ever you'd like

Personally I'd love to see your party take your advice and keep running un-electible morons like Mourdok and Akin in the primaries

I think that would be fantastic


Akin wasn't a Tea Party guy. What part of that can't you digest? Prior to that gaffe of his, Akin was killing McCaskill in the polls. Once he screwed up, Rove dried up the money and Hannity BEGGED HIM to drop out of that race, on his radio show. 333386 and I were discussing this, while Hannity was interviewing Akin.

Rove has stated at least three times, once with O'Reilly and twice with Hannity (radio and TV), that he is NOT trying to keep Tea Party candidates from winning. He defended his record, by stating the Tea Party members he supported and the amount of money he gave to those members.

But, don't take my word for it:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x911bDo1RbU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x911bDo1RbU</a>
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2013, 11:22:26 AM »

Akin wasn't a Tea Party guy. What part of that can't you digest? Prior to that gaffe of his, Akin was killing McCaskill in the polls. Once he screwed up, Rove dried up the money and Hannity BEGGED HIM to drop out of that race, on his radio show. 333386 and I were discussing this, while Hannity was interviewing Akin.

Rove has stated at least three times, once with O'Reilly and twice with Hannity (radio and TV), that he is NOT trying to keep Tea Party candidates from winning. He defended his record, by stating the Tea Party members he supported and the amount of money he gave to those members.

But, don't take my word for it:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x911bDo1RbU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x911bDo1RbU</a>


Doesn't matter whether he was an "official" Tbagger or not

He's the kind of guy that wins primaries and loses general elections

If you recall virtually your entire party (except for Huckabee and a few others) couldn't get away from quick enough once he made his idiotic statements about rape

He's the face of the "party of stupid" that Jindal was talking about

Frankly this is a lost cause for Repubs because they can't shut up the "crazy uncle" faction of the party and those guys aren't just going to suddenly change their beliefs nor are they going to shut up.   They may try to shut up but they are going to continue to say stupid stuff because they simply can't help it

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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2013, 11:37:03 AM »

Doesn't matter whether he was an "official" Tbagger or not

He's the kind of guy that wins primaries and loses general elections

If you recall virtually your entire party (except for Huckabee and a few others) couldn't get away from quick enough once he made his idiotic statements about rape

DUH!!! I only mentioned several times that Hannity practically begged him to drop out of the race, and that Rove cut off the money. Romney asked him to drop out, too.


He's the face of the "party of stupid" that Jindal was talking about

Frankly this is a lost cause for Repubs because they can't shut up the "crazy uncle" faction of the party and those guys aren't just going to suddenly change their beliefs nor are they going to shut up.   They may try to shut up but they are going to continue to say stupid stuff because they simply can't help it



That happens in BOTH parties. Or has that amnesia kicked into gear again? That's why Alan Grayson had to switch districts to get back to the House of Representatives. He got clobbered, trying to retain his old seat from 2010, after his litany of stupid stuff.
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2013, 12:14:27 PM »

Akin wasn't a Tea Party guy.

According to FOX news, Akin was VERY MUCH a tea party guy.  He was endorsed by the Tea Party.  Akin had played up his Tea Party credentials.  Read all about FOX convincing us that Akin was the most conservative candidate in the race.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/#ixzz2KQmLWXxU

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/
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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2013, 12:17:48 PM »

DUH!!! I only mentioned several times that Hannity practically begged him to drop out of the race, and that Rove cut off the money. Romney asked him to drop out, too.

That happens in BOTH parties. Or has that amnesia kicked into gear again? That's why Alan Grayson had to switch districts to get back to the House of Representatives. He got clobbered, trying to retain his old seat from 2010, after his litany of stupid stuff.

What stupid stuff do you think Grayson said ?

2010 mid-terms was the year of teabagger and probably had more to do with Grayson losing than anything he said

Anyway, I personally hope your party takes your advise and runs even crazier moonbats

It will be interesting to test out your theory that the American public is only voting for moderate Dems because they are waiting for a truly insane right winger to vote for instead
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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2013, 12:26:40 PM »

What stupid stuff do you think Grayson said ?

Other than calling the guy that beat him badly in 2010 "Taliban Dan" and his histrionics about the Republicans wanting people to "die quickly"?

Nothing!!  Roll Eyes



2010 mid-terms was the year of teabagger and probably had more to do with Grayson losing than anything he said

Anyway, I personally hope your party takes your advise and runs even crazier moonbats

It will be interesting to test out your theory that the American public is only voting for moderate Dems because they are waiting for a truly insane right winger to vote for instead

You mean "moonbats" like Scott, Rubio, Cruz, Johnson, Toomey....OH WAIT!! They won!

Furthermore, your claim about my so-called "theory" is WAAAAAY off the mark. The way for the GOP to return to the winners' circle is NOT by being watered down versions of the Democrats.  It's by being true conservatives, both on the fiscal and social side.

That's how you shore up the base; the independents will take care of themselves.
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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2013, 12:34:54 PM »

Other than calling the guy that beat him badly in 2010 "Taliban Dan" and his histrionics about the Republicans wanting people to "die quickly"?

Nothing!!  Roll Eyes

You mean "moonbats" like Scott, Rubio, Cruz, Johnson, Toomey....OH WAIT!! They won!

Furthermore, your claim about my so-called "theory" is WAAAAAY off the mark. The way for the GOP to return to the winners' circle is NOT by being watered down versions of the Democrats.  It's by being true conservatives, both on the fiscal and social side.

That's how you shore up the base; the independents will take care of themselves.

Grayson lost to a very well known and popular FL politician and in a year when teabaggers were ascendant.   He won again in 2012 with no change on rhetoric (to my recollection)

Do you really think Rubio and all the others you mentioned are 100% hard core right wingers (i.e. like Akin and his ilk)?



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« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2013, 12:39:55 PM »

According to FOX news, Akin was VERY MUCH a tea party guy.  He was endorsed by the Tea Party.  Akin had played up his Tea Party credentials.  Read all about FOX convincing us that Akin was the most conservative candidate in the race.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/#ixzz2KQmLWXxU

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/

Then, we have a conflict. Rove said Akin is NOT a Tea Party guy. So does this fellow:

“Todd Akin is often called a Tea Party candidate,” says Tea Party Express strategist Sal Russo, “but we didn’t support him in the primary. Steelman was our candidate.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/02/karl_rove_s_american_crossroads_is_attempting_to_prevent_the_wrong_conservatives.html
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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2013, 12:42:07 PM »

Grayson lost to a very well known and popular FL politician and in a year when teabaggers were ascendant.   He won again in 2012 with no change on rhetoric (to my recollection)

Do you really think Rubio and all the others you mentioned are 100% hard core right wingers (i.e. like Akin and his ilk)?


And what makes Akin a "100% hardcore" right winger again?

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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2013, 12:44:10 PM »

Then, we have a conflict. Rove said Akin is NOT a Tea Party guy. So does this fellow:

“Todd Akin is often called a Tea Party candidate,” says Tea Party Express strategist Sal Russo, “but we didn’t support him in the primary. Steelman was our candidate.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/02/karl_rove_s_american_crossroads_is_attempting_to_prevent_the_wrong_conservatives.html


That's what that one guy said AFTER Akin stepped in shit with that comment?

Funny, FOX sad the TP sure backed him before that.  And they backed him after he beat the other guy, in the main election.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/


Sad case of trying to disown a guy instead of analyzing what kind of extremist mindset is costing them national elections.  It's "akin" to saying the 1000 mph speed limit isn't the problem - slow cars are.
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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2013, 12:45:22 PM »

And what makes Akin a "100% hardcore" right winger again?

Akin, 65, who drew the backing of former GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, has billed himself as a tea party supporter and has a strong conservative voting record in Congress.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/#ixzz2KQu2MGpN

He says he is, and his votes say he is.
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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2013, 12:56:29 PM »

That's what that one guy said AFTER Akin stepped in shit with that comment?

Funny, FOX sad the TP sure backed him before that.  And they backed him after he beat the other guy, in the main election.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/


Sad case of trying to disown a guy instead of analyzing what kind of extremist mindset is costing them national elections.  It's "akin" to saying the 1000 mph speed limit isn't the problem - slow cars are.

Russo said he didn't support Akin during the PRIMARY; that would be before Akin's infamous comments.
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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2013, 01:50:51 PM »

Russo said he didn't support Akin during the PRIMARY; that would be before Akin's infamous comments.

so why did FOX news call Akin "tea party backed"?

He was tea party backed when he made the comments.  He was the (R) against the (D) at that point, right?

I have to go with FOX news on this one, they're the only one I trust.
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« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2013, 01:02:39 AM »

so why did FOX news call Akin "tea party backed"?

He was tea party backed when he made the comments.  He was the (R) against the (D) at that point, right?

I have to go with FOX news on this one, they're the only one I trust.
Stop playing dumb.

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« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2013, 12:46:13 PM »

he wasn't the initial tea party favorite...

but once he won the (R) slot, they backed him.

And he bragged all along about his conservative record.

The republican/conservative media actually called him "tea party backed".

Now, ONE DUDE says he doesn't like him... Cool... but FOX says he's tea party backed, then he sure as FCK is.

Had Akin WON the election, the tea party would have certainly claimed a victory Wink  He loses and suddenly he's not one of them, huh? 
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« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2013, 12:48:44 PM »

he wasn't the initial tea party favorite...

but once he won the (R) slot, they backed him.

And he bragged all along about his conservative record.

The republican/conservative media actually called him "tea party backed".

Now, ONE DUDE says he doesn't like him... Cool... but FOX says he's tea party backed, then he sure as FCK is.

Had Akin WON the election, the tea party would have certainly claimed a victory Wink  He loses and suddenly he's not one of them, huh? 

Thanks for admitting that he wasn't the Tea Party's original guy. You can go ahead and delete the other lies you told in this thread.
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« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2013, 01:04:28 PM »

already posted by 240 but apparently missed by some on this board

Tea Party-backed Rep. Akin wins Missouri GOP Senate primary to take on McCaskill

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/#ixzz2KWpJTX2J
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« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2013, 01:29:51 PM »

He made the statement when he was ALREADY the winner of the (R) nomination, correct?

At that point, he WAS the tea-party backed candidate.
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« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2013, 02:34:47 PM »

LOL @ the article...

"Score another win for the Tea Party. "


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« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2013, 06:15:43 PM »

If I'm not mistaken, most of the Tea Party people kept their seats in the last election. Yup, they're really on the way out.

RINOs like 240 foam at the mouth at the thought of the party being brought back to fiscally sanity.

The Senate Tea Party Caucus currently has three members and only 4 of 16 senatorial candidates backed by the Tea Party Express PAC emerged victorious on 6 Nov. One has since stepped down, meaning that Tea Party membership in the U.S. Senate is down 25% (its influence would remain negligible regardless).

Of 59 members of the Tea Party Caucus in the House, 48 were reelected on 6 Nov (a 19% reduction in membership). This is itself a generous glean of the outcome, however, because only 28 of these candidates had to run against Democrats (the rest ran unopposed or against hopeless third party candidates) and most of them acquired significantly less voteshare than in 2010. An example of this is Bachmann barely eking out a reelection victory in her district.

So, the Tea Party will continue to exert little to no influence over the Senate and a substantial but reduced influence over the House. If current trends continue it will be a negligible force in under a decade, though perhaps the spirit of its proposals will live on. It is hard to parse the negative impact of Tea Party candidates' tendency to be socially conservative versus their being fiscally conservative. Social conservatism is a large and ever-increasing liability in all but Republican primary elections; perhaps if the Tea Party Caucus eschews such craziness and focuses solely on fiscal conservatism it can remain relevant and avoid an establishment-led purge.
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« Reply #46 on: February 10, 2013, 06:25:07 PM »

they are more old school right instead of neocon but I agree the likability of the candidate is very important as sad as that is.

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« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2013, 06:39:18 PM »

the far right wackos can win the primary but then they get slaughtered in the general election

that's the problem for the right wing (though  if you listen to McWay he'd tell you the problem is that they are just not running wacko enough candidates  which is obviously more than a bit of a disconnect)

The problem is that if the somewhat more electable moderates don't win, someone who is obsessed with others' sex lives and wants the federal government to deny rights to citizens on that basis -- someone like McWay -- can always claim that such candidates lost in virtue of being moderate and that a "legitimate" conservative would have fared better, when the reality is that social moderates -- whether libertarian or establishment types -- are the Republican party's least worst option.
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« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2013, 07:47:23 PM »

According to FOX news, Akin was VERY MUCH a tea party guy.  He was endorsed by the Tea Party.  Akin had played up his Tea Party credentials.  Read all about FOX convincing us that Akin was the most conservative candidate in the race.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/#ixzz2KQmLWXxU

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/

Akin was one of the early members of the Tea Party Caucus in the House, has consistently espoused Tea Party principles, has voted on the basis of those principles (e.g., voting against federal expansion in the form of Medicare Part D and No Child Left Behind, and, more recently, voting against raising the debt ceiling), and received endorsements from Tea Party luminaries such as Caucus founder Michele Bachmann, prominent House member Steve King, and former Senate Tea Party Caucus member Jim DeMint. Finally, a statement issued by the Gateway Grassroots Initiative -- a Missouri-based tea party organization -- and endorsed by 17 other local tea party groups repudiated Tea Party Express' endorsement of Steel over Akin (http://gatewaygrassroots.com/2012/03/22/statement-by-gateway-grassroots-on-tea-party-express-endorsement/.*

He certainly sounds like a Tea Party member to me!

*The point of bringing up the 18 groups' refutation of Tea Party Express is to demonstrate that that national organization doesn't necessarily represent all Tea Partiers' opinion. So, just because they deemed Steel the "Tea Party candidate" doesn't make it so.
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« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2013, 10:22:41 AM »

already posted by 240 but apparently missed by some on this board

Tea Party-backed Rep. Akin wins Missouri GOP Senate primary to take on McCaskill

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/#ixzz2KWpJTX2J

Apparently, YOU missed what I posted over a week ago. Whenever a Tea Party guy loses in a primary, he usually backs the guy who beat him in the general election against his Democrat opponent.

Yet, when a Tea Party guy beats an establishment guy/RINO, more often than not, that RINO either slams the Tea Party candidate or he tries to run as an independent.

So, it is possible to be "Tea-Party backed" without necessarily being a Tea Party guy.
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