It seems like your response(s) is colored by an obvious disdain toward the current state of modern bb...
Anyway, there are always going to be anecdotal examples of "one guy I knew who gained muscle in a caloric deficit on 1 amp of winstrol every 30 days" - that doesn't speak to the norm.
5 grams of test vs 5 grams of trenbolone, compare the negative side effects.
Test, especially in high doses, is quite simply one of the best drugs to keep you lean. If you eat a shit diet you may look terrible due to the bloating and water retention but a few tabs of letro, some dyazide and you see how lean test keeps you. Hardness and lower bodyfat with water retention are so often confused and thahats why people get a negative idea of test.
Once again...why do you think people cruise on test and deca but not on tren? Or better yet, think of the guys you know who DO cruise on tren...they end up looking like shit and burn out fast. I can think of 2 pros specifically and countless amateurs that fit this criteria.
If you want to look like a fitness model then do crunches and take moderate doses of tren eq and primo. If you want to get huge take test deca and insulin.