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Re: is getting a pump really related to stimulating hypertrophy?
« Reply #300 on: July 07, 2013, 07:36:10 AM »
i always instinctively believed what you said

but bodybuilding trainers and bdybuilders claim other wise



doctors at first said steroids  and etc didn't work and were totally ineffective for building muscle or increasing athletic performance.  a lot of people diasagree with that now.
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Re: is getting a pump really related to stimulating hypertrophy?
« Reply #301 on: May 15, 2023, 10:04:38 AM »
good post.  i remember when i was younger, i would never look at anything that had to do with steroids.  i hated even reading about bodybuilding, because i didn't want to spend a lot of time on it outside of the gym.  i thought it should be simple, not an end in itself, but an activity you did so that you could feel good when you were doing your daily work (or play).

as a result i mostly read a few things here and there, the most superficial "wisdom" (::)), the most prevalent bullshit: train hard! train to failure! eat lots! etc. etc.

when, years later, i finally looked at how pros train, or really any successful "bodybuilder" of any level trains, i noticed they weren't working very hard.  rarely did i ever see someone struggling to complete reps.  it was all smooth sailing, from the first rep to the last (at least compared to what i put myself through).  the determination i had was almost frightening!  i would dread going to the gym, knowing what i was in for.  well, the joke was on me... "training to failure", "giving it all you've got", "give the muscle no choice but to grow", LOL.  if i were to translate these mantras into my own terms based on what i actually observed, once i finally watched some bodybuildin videos, i'd change it to "train until you get a little tired", "push yourself, but not too much", "get a bit of a pump, then go home... don't overdo it!"

This is often overlooked by many. I was exactly the same once. Did every set to failure along with drop sets or rest pause at times. Why? Because all the bodybuilding literature I indulged in would say so.

"Go hard or go home! Take every set to failure! Anything less than 100% and you won't grow! Blah blah blah!"

Utterly ridiculous.

Most pro's do not take every set to failure. Maybe the last set of an exercise at times but certainly not every set. Sure, some train heavy but they certainly don't go to the max on a set. Former pro's like Kevin Levrone trained heavy but he avoided going to failure most of the time. Watch his vids.

Here are a few clips of Arnold Schwarzenegger training. Notice how he does his sets. No grinding. No pushing to failure. Just strong reps with a slight pause on the last rep or two but certainly not grinding his way to failure. Probably explains how he trained so frequently as he wasn't stressing the cns by not going to failure which allows for far better and quicker recovery.



Going to failure just causes a person to burnout, plateau and can lead to injury. Arthur Jones and mentzer were the worst thing to happen to bodybuilding with their "going to failure" nonsense as I know it's done more harm than good.

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Re: is getting a pump really related to stimulating hypertrophy?
« Reply #302 on: May 15, 2023, 10:57:49 AM »
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Re: is getting a pump really related to stimulating hypertrophy?
« Reply #303 on: May 15, 2023, 11:01:03 AM »
why not 5 sets of 8-12 to failure?

each set to failure

so taking less weight every set or every few sets

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That would lead to burnout very quick. A better way would be do the first set with a top weight to NEAR failure then drop the weight by 10 to 20% and do back off sets not to failure.

Warm up sets then
100 pounds x 1 set 8 to 12 reps near failure
Drop weight
80 pounds x 3 to 4 sets not to failure.

Much better.

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Re: is getting a pump really related to stimulating hypertrophy?
« Reply #304 on: May 15, 2023, 11:09:54 AM »
HIT training is garbage.  Do that as a Natural and you will get ZERO progress.

Very true. Hit has been around since 1971, it has a very poor success rate. No top champion has ever used it and no, Yates and mentzer don't count. They did conventional methods to build up first.

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Re: is getting a pump really related to stimulating hypertrophy?
« Reply #305 on: May 15, 2023, 11:15:40 AM »
hey rimjob, these people are long gone...