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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #75 on: April 19, 2013, 09:14:09 PM »
Sure, but Hitler was Christian, so it obviously isn't about religion or the lack thereof.


Hitler wasn't really a Christian, I'm pretty sure


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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #76 on: April 19, 2013, 09:16:09 PM »
Hitler wasn't really a Christian, I'm pretty sure



That's what he said he was... You are what you claim to be right?

If Muslims say they are Muslim, then they do very non-Muslim things, we say they are Muslims still... Even if they don't act like it.

If you say you are a Christian but you don't act Christ like... You're still a Christian.

That's not how the title thing works.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #77 on: April 19, 2013, 09:19:34 PM »
That's what he said he was... You are what you claim to be right?

If Muslims say they are Muslim, then they do very non-Muslim things, we say they are Muslims still... Even if they don't act like it.

If you say you are a Christian but you don't act Christ like... You're still a Christian.

That's not how the title thing works.

Muslims are killing in the name of their religion.

I think Hitler mentioned Christianity occasionally but I'm pretty sure he wasn't a Christian and I know he didn't claim to be acting in the name of Christianity. 

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #78 on: April 19, 2013, 09:22:08 PM »
Muslims are killing in the name of their religion.

I think Hitler mentioned Christianity occasionally but I'm pretty sure he wasn't a Christian and I know he didn't claim to be acting in the name of Christianity. 

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #79 on: April 19, 2013, 09:23:51 PM »


Which lord? ???

I don't know enough about it, I could be wrong, but I'm about 80% sure that Hitler never really professed to be a Christian.  

I think privately he was an occultist like many other top nazis


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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #80 on: April 19, 2013, 09:26:44 PM »

All this arguing.  It's very simple.  Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were all educated, modern, atheist leaders, and they murdered millions of innocent people.  

You can't say that about any religious person that ever existed.  So Straw and other atheists just need to stop pointing fingers at "fundies".  

Sure, but Hitler was Christian, so it obviously isn't about religion or the lack thereof.


Hitler was not a Christian.  If "it obviously isn't about religion or the lack thereof", then why are atheists constantly pointing fingers at "fundies"?  Their own track record isn't very impressive.

"The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay."

Joseph Goebbels(one of Hitler's closest associates and most devout followers), The Holy Reich by Richard Steigmann-Gall, p. 253



“You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

Adolf Hitler as reported by Albert Speer(Hitler's chief architect before becoming his Minister for Armaments during the war), The Holy Reich by Richard Steigmann-Gall, p. 252-253



On Martin Bormann, Head of the Party Chancellery and private secretary of the Fuhrer
"Nazism, based as it was on a 'scientific' world-view, was completely incompatible with Christianity whose influence was regarded by Bormann as a serious obstacle to totalitarian rule"
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/bormann.html

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #81 on: April 19, 2013, 09:27:13 PM »
Which lord? ???

I don't know enough about it, I could be wrong, but I'm about 80% sure that Hitler never really professed to be a Christian. 



Yes... Yes he did.

Just a quick google search to get the information correct.

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school.  (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.”  His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest.  Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals.  As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.”  -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.  It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth!  was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.  In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.  How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.  To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.  As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…  And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."  –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith.  We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism.  Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy.  The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #82 on: April 19, 2013, 09:32:01 PM »
it obviously isn't about religion or the lack thereof.

If that's so, then why are atheists constantly pointing fingers at "fundies"?  Their own track record isn't very impressive.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #83 on: April 19, 2013, 09:32:56 PM »
If that's so, then why are atheists constantly pointing fingers at "fundies"?  Their own track record isn't very impressive.

I don't know.

I consider myself pretty much an atheist and I don't blame anything but CRAZY.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #84 on: April 20, 2013, 07:34:29 AM »
Because it's ridiculous. It's like saying carpentry lacks morals. Atheism is not devised as a moral system. Subscribing to dogma isn't necessary to possess morality.


All of this can be said (and has been said) about people with strong religious backgrounds. What your describing is either a lack of moral foundation or a psychotic disorder.
atheism is a belief system just as religion is, it is not filled with doctrine and dogma but youre cannot deny it is a belief system.

You also agreee that it doesnt not have inherint morals, there is not absolute right and wrong to atheists. There is I feel this is right and this is wrong b/c of such and such.

I agree that religious ppl can have lack of morals but RELIGION teachs morals so it could be stated that an atheist may feel that murder is ok bc they are atheists.

Religion taught in accordance with its dogma and doctrine does not teach that.

one could say that about a religious person but not b/c of that religion(maybe the teachings of a warped view of that religion but not the religion itself), one could say that about an atheist person b/c they are atheist

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #85 on: April 20, 2013, 08:06:13 AM »
That's what he said he was... You are what you claim to be right?

If Muslims say they are Muslim, then they do very non-Muslim things, we say they are Muslims still... Even if they don't act like it.

If you say you are a Christian but you don't act Christ like... You're still a Christian.

That's not how the title thing works.

not according to some christians on this board (and in this thread)

they can tell you who the "real" christians are

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #86 on: April 20, 2013, 08:33:51 AM »
not according to some christians on this board (and in this thread)

they can tell you who the "real" christians are



Kinda like you democrat tools arguing he's not a 'real' democrat.  ::)

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #87 on: April 20, 2013, 08:34:20 AM »


Kinda like you democrat tools arguing he's not a 'real' democrat.  ::)

such as ?

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #88 on: April 20, 2013, 09:20:12 AM »
atheism is a belief system just as religion is, it is not filled with doctrine and dogma but youre cannot deny it is a belief system.

You also agreee that it doesnt not have inherint morals, there is not absolute right and wrong to atheists. There is I feel this is right and this is wrong b/c of such and such.

I agree that religious ppl can have lack of morals but RELIGION teachs morals so it could be stated that an atheist may feel that murder is ok bc they are atheists.

Religion taught in accordance with its dogma and doctrine does not teach that.

one could say that about a religious person but not b/c of that religion(maybe the teachings of a warped view of that religion but not the religion itself), one could say that about an atheist person b/c they are atheist

I teach my kid right and wrong and it has nothing to do with religion.

PEOPLE teach morals. Religion does not.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #89 on: April 20, 2013, 09:38:37 AM »
i don't know if religion teaches morals but i do know religion teaches hypocrisy,most seem to be the biggest hypocites around

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #90 on: April 20, 2013, 09:42:39 AM »
i don't know if religion teaches morals but i do know religion teaches hypocrisy,most seem to be the biggest hypocites around

some of the most dishonest and vile people I've dealt with in business have been very vocal "born again" christians

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #91 on: April 20, 2013, 09:44:13 AM »
some of the most dishonest and vile people I've dealt with in business have been very vocal "born again" christians


Get taken to the cleaners a few times sucker? 

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #92 on: April 20, 2013, 09:50:42 AM »

Get taken to the cleaners a few times sucker? 

never as of  yet

how about you Nancy

still underwater on that shithole in the ghetto


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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #93 on: April 20, 2013, 10:21:04 AM »

Get taken to the cleaners a few times sucker? 

Do you think he has time to work in between stalking you 20 hours a day? I certainly don't. My guess is he's a disability parasite.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #94 on: April 21, 2013, 02:48:11 PM »
All this arguing.  It's very simple.  Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were all educated, modern, atheist leaders, and they murdered millions of innocent people.  

You can't say that about any religious person that ever existed.  So Straw and other atheists just need to stop pointing fingers at "fundies".  

If what you are saying is:  cetian atheists have committed more mass murders than any Christians you may be correct. 

But by using your premise here then, bush for example, as a Christian committed mass murder and to prove that atheists committed more mass murders than Christians you would have to take into account every leader who was Christian who went to war and as a result killed innocent people, such from bombing or their armies raping and piliging.  Considering there are far more Christians through out history then atheists, may 100,000 to 1, I think the leaders who are Christian win this one.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #95 on: April 21, 2013, 03:38:02 PM »
I teach my kid right and wrong and it has nothing to do with religion.

PEOPLE teach morals. Religion does not.
really I bet alot of the morals you teach your kids coincide with alot of the morals religion teachs as well.

To say that religion doesnt teach morals is ignorant

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #96 on: April 21, 2013, 03:38:57 PM »
some of the most dishonest and vile people I've dealt with in business have been very vocal "born again" christians
some of the most murderous ppl in history have been atheists....

whats your point?

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #97 on: April 21, 2013, 03:43:24 PM »
As I said, Sirota, Matthews, Burnett, Amanpour, that professor on Uygur's show, et. al. were all hoping the Boston bomber would be the caricature that I described as, "Billy Bob Bubba Williams of Negro-Keep-Runnin', MS, hoisting a "Don't Tread On Me" flag and rocking a "I (heart) Sarah Palin" wife-beater tank top, with his half-dead hounddog in the back of his beat-up pickup truck.

That wasn't the case with the bombers. It's not the case here, which is why many lefties are a tad miffed.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #98 on: April 21, 2013, 03:49:20 PM »
Which lord? ???

I don't know enough about it, I could be wrong, but I'm about 80% sure that Hitler never really professed to be a Christian.  

I think privately he was an occultist like many other top nazis


true, you can't take something Hitler said to the public as his personal belief.  Just because a scumbag like that makes a christian statement publically and lol in an era where politicians were mastering public perception and not afraid to completely change their image to do just that when they needed.  Oh wait, we kinda have politicians doing that shit today!  Must work I guess...  ;D

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #99 on: April 22, 2013, 06:33:50 AM »
If what you are saying is:  cetian atheists have committed more mass murders than any Christians you may be correct.  

Yes.  I said it was very simple, didn't I?  And I am correct on this, based on what we know about History.

But by using your premise here then, bush for example, as a Christian committed mass murder and to prove that atheists committed more mass murders than Christians you would have to take into account every leader who was Christian who went to war and as a result killed innocent people, such from bombing or their armies raping and piliging.  Considering there are far more Christians through out history then atheists, may 100,000 to 1, I think the leaders who are Christian win this one.

Funny how you have to add up all Christians, throughout all of History, in an attempt to remotely compare the murder count to a single one of three individual, atheist leaders of our time.  The murder count of Stalin alone is in the millions.  The murder count of Mao alone is even greater, much greater.  Same goes for Pol Pot.  All three were modern, educated atheist leaders.

The atheist track record isn't impressive.  So atheists need to drop the subject and stop pointing fingers at "fundies."