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Author Topic: New bulking / strength cycle, any suggestions?  (Read 539 times)
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« on: April 11, 2015, 01:39:10 PM »

As some of you may know I'm a powerlifter. +/- 1500 @ 198 so not super duper impressive but I also have never pushed gear too hard, or been very big. Got up to a sloppy 225 on test and various other shit I played around with.  

Well I ran an Epistane / clen / low test cut and looked decent around 200, and now decided to start pushing harder with that base. I also ran pct for 3 months to regroup, as I was on 5-600 test for well over a year. Wanted to make sure I could recover, libido came back, boners came back, and felt fine balls got huge, so I'm deciding to push hard, life is short.

200lbs after the cut:


Finally got a referral from a Pro bodybuilder friend of mine on a source that is painless and legit (a compounding pharmacy/anti aging clinic that knocks up phony scripts in Florida ) So my gear is on lock finally. This is what I started.

Gear for 10-12 weeks:

30 cc Deca 450
30 cc Test E 350
20 cc Mast E / Prop blend 250mg

10 grams raw Dbol
10 grams raw Drol
10 grams raw Var
10 grams raw Proviron

60ml Aromasin 25mg
60ml Prami on hand if needed

Planning on running the test/deca/orals until I run out of test/deca in 10-12 weeks, blowing up (hopefully), then running low dose test prop and the mast blend / var on a keto diet for a month or 2 to see where that left me. Rinse and repeat.


So far:

Mon / Wed / Fri injectables

350mg test e / 450mg deca

Daily orals:

8 A.M.

50mg dbol 100mg drol 50mg proviron 12.5mg aromasin

8 P.M.

50mg dbol 100mg drol 50mg proviron 12.5mg aromasin


1 week in so far, +/- 5lbs morning weight. Appetite suffering slightly, normal acid feeling from Dbol, the thought of eating is "meh" but once I get a hot plate in front of me It's game on.

Strength is up and climbing.

First time pushing a gram+ test and a gram+ deca, anyone with any experience with these compounds please recommend anything, any advice is welcomed as my dick and libido is very important to me, and I hear things about deca dick. Will I need Prami? Should I start dosing Prami before any sides? or is aromasin enough until I feel deca sides, then add prami?

Any feedback is welcomed.
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jb14972
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2015, 05:14:05 PM »

that amount of orals a day will destroy or appetite.

i ran 1500 test and 800 deca. great results, small gyno issue but the gains are well worth it. with you running 1350 deca and 1050 test you could run into libido issues and estrogen issues. def keep enough on hand to combat the sides or you will regret it.

no offense but you look very thin to be 1500 pound total at 198. how tall are you. your strength will be amazing off this cycle and you will def be going up a weight class if you are really pushing the food and the strength gains. are you planning to compete again soon?
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2015, 05:20:08 PM »

U won't gain shit until u fold that brim of that hat boy
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2015, 05:24:26 PM »

you got this! Looks solid...
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2015, 05:39:04 PM »

that amount of orals a day will destroy or appetite.

i ran 1500 test and 800 deca. great results, small gyno issue but the gains are well worth it. with you running 1350 deca and 1050 test you could run into libido issues and estrogen issues. def keep enough on hand to combat the sides or you will regret it.

no offense but you look very thin to be 1500 pound total at 198. how tall are you. your strength will be amazing off this cycle and you will def be going up a weight class if you are really pushing the food and the strength gains. are you planning to compete again soon?

Yeah for some reason that "selfie" angle made my head look huge and my torso look really thin, weird look. I am 6'1 and cut 10-15lbs for 198's. I train at Supertraining in Sacramento, very serious group of guys and gals here. I plan on doing a meet when I can finally hit my 405 bench haha, might be a while...

Libido and gyno issues from estro too high you mean? Will 25mg Aromasin a day not cover it? Or from progesterone? Should I dose Prami from the very beginning on 1300 deca?

I heard if you keep e2 in check you don't necessarily need prami/caber, kinda like progesterone is dependent on e2 or connected somehow..

U won't gain shit until u fold that brim of that hat boy

Hahah, noted.
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2015, 05:51:25 PM »

if youre training for power then id pop all those orals pre workout.
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2015, 05:57:40 PM »

nice thats def a serious gym

yea the rule of thumb for alot of people is higher test than deca
i was running .5mg of adex per day and 1.25 mg of letro on days of shots and i didnt have any issues. the letro shrank the gyno completely away. I agree that if you are aggressive with adex or aromasin you dont need prami but it really depends on you and how your body reacts to it. in my opinion that is a dose that is very different to each person as far as estrogen and progesterone. just pay attention to your body and i would get some letro bc letro will destroy estrogen completely within a few days if you have some gyno flare up. i also was on gh and depending on the dose i had to up my adex some.

how long are you running those orals for, i prefer to run them preworkout only also.
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2015, 07:20:30 PM »

nice thats def a serious gym

yea the rule of thumb for alot of people is higher test than deca
i was running .5mg of adex per day and 1.25 mg of letro on days of shots and i didnt have any issues. the letro shrank the gyno completely away. I agree that if you are aggressive with adex or aromasin you dont need prami but it really depends on you and how your body reacts to it. in my opinion that is a dose that is very different to each person as far as estrogen and progesterone. just pay attention to your body and i would get some letro bc letro will destroy estrogen completely within a few days if you have some gyno flare up. i also was on gh and depending on the dose i had to up my adex some.

how long are you running those orals for, i prefer to run them preworkout only also.

Yeah it's kinda uncharted territory for me, I will have to play it by feel I guess. The best e2 guage I have found is morning wood. I slowly up the Aromasin until I find a dose that has me waking up with an iron rod haha.

I'll probably run the dbol/drol for 6 weeks then a 4 week break until I run the var. Proviron probably the entire cycle unless something is fucked up on my bloods in 8 weeks, like ast/alt of 500 or some shit haha. I don't know though, masteron, var, and proviron is a lot of DHT derivatives and might be just flat out pointless. Might just drop the proviron when I jump on the Masteron, they are basically the same thing.
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2015, 08:34:23 PM »

I loved the dbol/drol stack when I ran it but I didn't go near those doses. I imagine you will get all the strength and size you can handle off of this cycle. I'm a huge fan of proviron too so I like that you have that in there. It just doesn't fit into my broke college student budget at the moment.
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2015, 10:02:39 PM »

I loved the dbol/drol stack when I ran it but I didn't go near those doses. I imagine you will get all the strength and size you can handle off of this cycle. I'm a huge fan of proviron too so I like that you have that in there. It just doesn't fit into my broke college student budget at the moment.

The raws out of China are so hit or miss and more often than not just plain shit, who even knows what the actual doses are. I just start to feel that little head-achy high bp feeling on these doses so in reality they are probably 50% or less potency, but raws are DIRT cheap to the order of like $2-3 a gram, $10 / g of the var which is from a different, reliable, source. So why not just pound them until you feel sides, can't rely on numbers with Chinese bullshit.
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2015, 07:58:28 AM »

I run prami everytime on 19nors have caber close by because I had a friend develop tits on letro from deca could've been bunk letro but I keep PHARMA caber now
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2015, 09:15:45 PM »

Going pretty well. Just about 2 weeks in, probably just seeing all the orals more than anything.

Also dropped the Deca down to 450 a week due to horror stories, may still bump it to 900, but definitely not the planned 1,350.

Sitting roughly 205 so +5 lbs still give or take, the initial 5lb from the dbol/anadrol from the first few days most likely. When the test and deca build, and I drop the orals I hope to put on another 10lbs over 2 months. We shall see.

Appetite improving dramatically after adding some cheapo milk thistle. I was never a believer but damn...not placebo!

Feeling full as shit with nasty painful pumps. Amazing. Noticeably more yoked in clothes than 2 weeks ago.

Yoke coming in pretty strong (for me lol)


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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2015, 04:28:36 PM »

I remember those drol/dbol pumps! Painful for sure! Add 12.5 mg's cialis pre-workout and it's lights out!
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2015, 04:46:00 PM »

Why no tren? I got my best strength results from just 50mg tren Ed my bench went up like 60 pounds in 8 weeks lol
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2015, 11:38:42 PM »

Why no tren? I got my best strength results from just 50mg tren Ed my bench went up like 60 pounds in 8 weeks lol
just like your bodyweight  Grin coulve done that with any other AAS too
tren is great for strength tho, yeah
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« Reply #15 on: Today at 01:07:10 AM »

just like your bodyweight  Grin coulve done that with any other AAS too
tren is great for strength tho, yeah

Lol fat fuck mode was activated and in full effect back then
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