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Re: Muscle hypertrophy
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2013, 11:55:16 AM »
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Re: Muscle hypertrophy
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2013, 12:06:40 PM »

Of course it is, powerlifter turned bodybuilder would. For example Roger Estep said when he got in shape for a cover shoot he obviously lost strength while training more like a bodybuilder. When asking this question you need to define what it is you mean by loss of strength in relationship to muscle size.

i'm not talking 1 rep max, i mean something like 10 rep max, say for example on barbell curls

so could one go from curling 185 for 10 reps til failure to curling 135 for 10 reps til failure and get bigger biceps?

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Re: Muscle hypertrophy
« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2013, 12:14:26 PM »
i'm not talking 1 rep max, i mean something like 10 rep max, say for example on barbell curls

so could one go from curling 185 for 10 reps til failure to curling 135 for 10 reps til failure and get bigger biceps?

Sure, but you need to take into consideration that there are MANY variables. When performing say ten reps with 185 is that person curling that bar in a strict fashion? He is cheating at the end to go past failure? Is he cheating to make it easier or is he cheating to make it harder? How long is he resting between sets? What is his rep speed and does that rep speed change with each rep? Is he using PED's and if so was he using both when he was curling 185 and 135? Point is that because of these variables it does not allow us to know for sure. I can tell you this, I have taken people who have lifted long rests and heavy weight and cut down their rest time and obviously their weight and they have gotten bigger. All that is needed for a muscle to grow is to stimulate it. It's been said before that a muscle have no clue as to how much weight it is using and because of this the muscle can keep growing to a certain degree without increasing the actual weight on the bar.

Also powerlifters don't do 1 rep max all that often. They train with reps just like other lifters do. It's only when coming close to a show that they start to low their reps.

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Re: Muscle hypertrophy
« Reply #53 on: May 11, 2013, 12:39:51 PM »
Sure, but you need to take into consideration that there are MANY variables. When performing say ten reps with 185 is that person curling that bar in a strict fashion? He is cheating at the end to go past failure? Is he cheating to make it easier or is he cheating to make it harder? How long is he resting between sets? What is his rep speed and does that rep speed change with each rep? Is he using PED's and if so was he using both when he was curling 185 and 135? Point is that because of these variables it does not allow us to know for sure. I can tell you this, I have taken people who have lifted long rests and heavy weight and cut down their rest time and obviously their weight and they have gotten bigger. All that is needed for a muscle to grow is to stimulate it. It's been said before that a muscle have no clue as to how much weight it is using and because of this the muscle can keep growing to a certain degree without increasing the actual weight on the bar.

Also powerlifters don't do 1 rep max all that often. They train with reps just like other lifters do. It's only when coming close to a show that they start to low their reps.

IMO the rep range can be anywhere from 4-15

but i never ever got anything out of short rests btw sets

and when i'm talking a 10 rep max i mean all variables stay the same ie. rep speed, range of motion, etc

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Re: Muscle hypertrophy
« Reply #54 on: May 11, 2013, 02:50:08 PM »
Hypertrophy as a physical process is a science. There is no need to have to find out what works for you. There is a sense that individuals who have built considerable muscle naturally must have done something right. Yes, but the trick is finding exactly what the necessary and sufficient conditions are. The stimulus for growth can be reduced to a few basic factors. Time under tension, intensity, duration, and frequency. Exactly what has to be done re progression can be specified and protocols determined. There is a huge problem re the implementation of the theory because in moving systems there are many variables so that different individuals might appear to be doing the same thing but are not. Some people can do curls but not put sufficient mechanical tension on their biceps so no growth will occur in those muscles. Therefore the technology of hypertrophy is important and this is where vast experience is important. However, this technology can be written down and passed on to trainees.

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