2013 IFBB European Men's Bodybuilding Championships

[ukjeff]

If they are buying gear from the Canada and the USA then they are buying underdosed shit vials, maybe the secret is that they take far less gear than anyone else.   

[arce1988]

 Does he have a hernia?

[Van_Bilderass]

The main reason for the harder look is that they
pull down into weight classes. Kamali looked great too
when he only "ate" liquids for a couple of weeks to make
weight when he got his card.

There were a few disasters in this show too... in the
heavyweights. No surprise. I'm sure some of the most ripped
guys here have done very heavy test dosages too.

Trying to weigh a lot is what ruins physiques.

[Kim Jong Bob]

They use EQ as a base instead of test, The European guys don't like test, also they stay on tren year long and use heavy diuretics. This is why they get so ripped and very little insulin use, but they still use insulin but not like here where people are abusing the fuck out of it. Also they simply diet harder and suffer more then these lazy guys down here.

The guys down here use 2 grams of test as a base and year round.

sure about that? Im from sweden and every serius competitor goes with testo as base, never heard about anyone using eq as base

[ukjeff]

The main reason for the harder look is that they
pull down into weight classes. Kamali looked great too
when he only "ate" liquids for a couple of weeks to make
weight when he got his card.

There were a few disasters in this show too... in the
heavyweights. No surprise. I'm sure some of the most ripped
guys here have done very heavy test dosages too.

Trying to weigh a lot is what ruins physiques.

+1
I remember in the 80s and early 90s, lots of competitors won titles when they dropped down a class from the one they normally competed in.

[OTHstrong]

The main reason for the harder look is that they
pull down into weight classes. Kamali looked great too
when he only "ate" liquids for a couple of weeks to make
weight when he got his card.

There were a few disasters in this show too... in the
heavyweights. No surprise. I'm sure some of the most ripped
guys here have done very heavy test dosages too.

Trying to weigh a lot is what ruins physiques.

the npc guys go down to weight categoiries too and look nothing like this.

sure about that? Im from sweden and every serius competitor goes with testo as base, never heard about anyone using eq as base

Sources don't lie about what goes out bro, that is what the European markets sells the most of is EQ and they sell very little long ester test.

[WalterWhite]

This is how bodybuilding should be. These guys all look great.

Agree and the lighting was far better then what I have seen this year in the IFBB.

[Kim Jong Bob]

the npc guys go down to weight categoiries too and look nothing like this.


Sources don't lie about what goes out bro, that is what the European markets sells the most of is EQ and they sell very little long ester test.

ok maybe its diffrent here in sweden . All the guys i know who place well in the nationalls just go with test  tren and masteron usually. Eq is not so common for those guys anyway

[Kim Jong Bob]

The main reason for the harder look is that they
pull down into weight classes. Kamali looked great too
when he only "ate" liquids for a couple of weeks to make
weight when he got his card.

There were a few disasters in this show too... in the
heavyweights. No surprise. I'm sure some of the most ripped
guys here have done very heavy test dosages too.

Trying to weigh a lot is what ruins physiques.

to bad that arne lundell got second. He always place that. Seems to be a really nice guy to.

[OTHstrong]

ok maybe its diffrent here in sweden . All the guys i know who place well in the nationalls just go with test  tren and masteron usually. Eq is not so common for those guys anyway

well, they all do test of course, just not compared to the national guys from down here who do a shot of test e or sustanon every day as a base and still do prop on top of that. You are from Sweden? Cool, very nice country, Ya the guys from Eastern Europe are mainly the EQ guys and all Arabs do EQ as well, maybe not as popular in northern Europe

[timfogarty]

complete results, including the previous week's masters and figure

Men http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=European+Amateur+Championships+-+IFBB&y=2013


Overall Winner Mahmut Irmak

Super-HeavyWeight
1     Bogdan Kravchenko   (Ukraine)
2     Alexei Tronov   (Russia)
3     Sergii Iatsiuk   (Ukraine)
4     Andrzej Koldziejczyk   (Poland)
5     Mikhail Sidorychev   (Russia)
6     Krasimir Sarafov   (Bulgaria)
7     Bilgehan Koç   (Turkey)
8     Paata Petriashvili   (Russia)
9     Stanislav Struzberg   (Moldovia)
10     Ersin Kuruel   (Turkey)
11     Gleb Cocorin   (Moldovia)

HeavyWeight
1     Reza Zinatlov   (Azerbaijan)
2     Arne Lundell   (Sweden)
3     Georgi Slavov   (Bulgaria)
4     Melih Yildiz   (Turkey)
5     Relu Gauca   (Ireland)
6     Peter Baers   (Germany)
7     Ralph Decelis   (Malta)

Light-HeavyWeight
1     Andriy Kukharchuk   (Ukraine)
2     Sergei Marutik   (Russia)
3     Görkem Gürsoy   (Turkey)
4     Przemysław Owczarek   (Poland)
5     Ladislav Kuzder   (Slovakia)
6     Vladislav Kuznetsov   (Russia)
7     Francesco Fox   (Italy)
8     Daniel Racoveanu   (Romania)
9     Wojciech Pieczaba   (Poland)
10     Enes Erken   (Turkey)

MiddleWeight
1     Sergei Spichenkov   (Russia)
2     Marian Cambal   (Slovakia)
3     Christofer Nober   (Sweden)
4     Sergiy Chernyak   (Ukraine)
5     Ott Kiivikas   (Estonia)
6     Pavlo Prontenko   (Ukraine)
7     Patrycjusz Wroblewski   (Poland)
8     Francis Haley   (Ireland)
9     Aaron Connon   (Ireland)
10     Alexei Sergheev   (Moldovia)
11     Ömer Döger   (Turkey)

Light-MiddleWeight
1     Cengizhan Iğdir   (Turkey)
2     Andrii Koliada   (Ukraine)
3     Dragos Popescou   (Romania)
4     Vitaliy Kalensky   (Ukraine)
5     Artur Stańczak   (Poland)
6     Mirko Ercolani   (San Marino)
7     Vladimir Yakovlev   (Moldovia)
8     Marc Hector   (United Kingdom)
9     Stephen Borg   (Malta)
10     Roman Kronberger   (Austria)

WelterWeight
1     Mahmut Irmak   (Turkey)
2     Thomas Askeland   (Norway)
3     Georgi Yordanov   (Bulgaria)
4     Krysztof Skryplonek   (Poland)
5     Fredrik Spċng   (Sweden)
6     Aleksey Denisov   (Russia)
7     Nikolay Chernetsky   (Russia)
8     Sinan Aydemir   (Turkey)
9     Selim Tarakçi   (Turkey)
10     Mohamed-Ali Aziz   (Denmark)
11     Murat Tonya   (Turkey)
12     Miroslav Hanak   (Czech Republic)

LightWeight
1     Jan Sotak   (Slovakia)
2     Danijel Miklečić   (Croatia)
3     Raigo Kuusnġmm   (Estonia)
4     Jean Mega   (France)
5     Mustafa Genç   (Turkey)
6     Rody Hedo   (Austria)
7     Tobias Gerblinger   (Germany)

BantamWeight
1     Miroslav Skadra   (Slovakia)
2     Yalchin Mamedov   (Azerbaijan)
3     Roman Iushchenko   (Ukraine)
4     Kenan Yildiz   (Turkey)
5     Ashly Sajithkumar   (Ireland)
6     Jala Rahman Ali   (Germany)
7     Radoslav Angelov   (Bulgaria)
8     Ibrahim Efe   (Turkey)
9     Octavian Blaj   (Romania)
10     Christos Lazarou   (Cyprus)

Junior Overall Winner Marko Baric

Junior - HeavyWeight
1     Marko Baric   (Croatia)
2     Dennis Arnold   (Germany)
3     Marek Dorosz   (Poland)
4     Luke Debono   (Malta)
5     Kamil Kluszczynski   (Poland)
6     Radoslav Filip   (Slovakia)
7     Blessing Awodibu   (Ireland)
8     Harun Yilmaz   (Turkey)
9     Jakub Pestka   (Poland)
10     Alberto Dominguez   (Spain)
11     Aleksander Sotirov   (United Kingdom)
12     Connor Magee   (Ireland)

Junior - LightWeight
1     Ovidijus Ringys   (Lithuania)
2     Marcin Piechota   (Poland)
3     Mike Niessen   (Germany)
4     Maksymelian Berezovskyi   (Ukraine)
5     Davide Arrighini   (Italy)

Masters 40+ Overall Winner David Perez (1)

Masters 40+ HeavyWeight
1     Ramon Gonzalez   (Spain)
2     Laurent Bernardini   (France)
3     Thomas Holzer   (Germany)
4     Martin Hainbach   (Germany)
5     Lukasz Kazimierczak   (Poland)
6     Eduardo Urrutikoetxea   (Spain)
7     Gilbert Zammit   (Malta)
8     Jan Tomasek   (Czech Republic)
9     Thomas Davidsen   (Denmark)
10     Thierry Bidault   (France)
11     Mehmet Bükte   (Turkey)
12     Kuprash Viacheslav   (Belarus)
13     Vadim Skorniakov   (Russia)
14     Javier Alvarez   (Spain)
15     Levent Zülfikar   (Turkey)
16     Edward Walsh   (Ireland)
17     Radek Cejka   (Czech Republic)

Masters 40+ Light-HeavyWeight
1     David Perez (1)   (Spain)
2     Martin Koslowski   (Germany)
3     Jukka Virta   (Finland)
4     Carlo DeAngelis   (Italy)
5     Dominic Schieda   (Malta)
6     Gunter Jasper   (Germany)
7     Alfred Palsson   (Iceland)
8     Stephen Borg   (Malta)
9     Serdar Sariöz   (Turkey)
10     Shletsar Siarhei   (Belarus)

Masters 40+ MiddleWeight
1     Karim Boumazza   (France)
2     Robert Hengler   (Germany)
3     Carlos Menendez   (Spain)
4     Eduard Cigan   (Denmark)
5     Jari Laine   (Finland)
6     Hasan Adatepe   (Turkey)
7     Jala Rahman Ali   (Germany)
8     Alexander Menis   (Israel)

Masters 40+ LightWeight
1     Philippe Durieux   (France)
2     Alain Pages   (France)
3     Petr Havlik   (Czech Republic)

Masters 50+ Overall Winner Wolfgang Schober

Masters 50+ HeavyWeight
1     Wolfgang Schober   (Austria)
2     Antonio Vergiani   (Italy)
3     Thomas Lauer   (Germany)
4     Jose Carlos Rebolo   (Portugal)
5     Aivars Visockis   (Latvia)
6     Jozef Piry   (Slovakia)
7     Mustafa Telatar   (Turkey)
8     Wiesław Kruk   (Poland)
9     Baldur Borgporsson   (Iceland)
10     John Dunne   (Ireland)

Masters 50+ LightWeight
1     Hans Jörg Winter   (Germany)
2     Jose Antonio Gonzalez   (Spain)
3     Albert Szczygielski   (Poland)
4     Taner Umul   (Turkey)
5     Didier Ioculano   (France)
6     Oleg Scharikov   (Russia)

Masters 60+
1     Milan Bodlak   (Czech Republic)

Masters 65+
1     Nico Lundholm   (Switzerland)
2     Jiri Faflik   (Czech Republic)

Classic Overall Winner Ali Emre

Classic Short
1     Teymur Aslanov   (Azerbaijan)
2     Tomas Lukac   (Czech Republic)
3     Stanislav Vizenher   (Ukraine)
4     Rain Kuusnġmm   (Estonia)
5     Abdulgani Erbezigan   (Turkey)
6     Serhii Tkachenko   (Ukraine)
7     Piotr Zaniewski   (Poland)
8     Gabriel Duguet   (France)
9     Denis Titu   (Moldovia)

Classic Medium-Short
1     Gabriele Giansante   (Italy)
2     Antonio Primiceri   (Italy)
3     Sinan Baba   (Turkey)
4     Angelo Pischedda   (Italy)
5     Robert Kozielski   (Poland)
6     Kubilay Korkmaz   (Turkey)
7     Nicolae Cristea   (Romania)

Classic Medium
1     Patrik Stiglic   (Slovakia)
2     Andrei Maliutin   (Russia)
3     Vitalii Valeev   (Russia)
4     Tuukka Heikkinen   (Finland)
5     Przemysław Zokowski   (Poland)
6     Algan Idris Bașaran   (Turkey)
7     Ouiam Monzeer   (United Kingdom)
8     David Plachy   (Czech Republic)
9     Trevor Conway   (Ireland)
10     Oleg Fistican   (Moldovia)

Classic Medium-Tall
1     Ali Emre   (Turkey)
2     Siarhei Matusevitch   (Belarus)
3     Oleh Kakorin   (Ukraine)
4     Aleksei Shaev   (Russia)
5     Manuel Chalupka   (Austria)
6     Bohumil Stepanek   (Czech Republic)
7     Paolo Sgro   (Italy)
8     Manuel Plachner   (Austria)
9     Volkan Altunbas   (Turkey)
10     Konstiantyn Taramaly   (Ukraine)
11     Aleh Babinich   (Belarus)
12     Andrey Shmidt   (Russia)
13     Patrik Larsson   (Sweden)
14     Robert Majewski   (Poland)
15     Tuomas Kuronen   (Finland)
-     Giedrius Abeciunas   (Lithuania)
-     Denys Kuznietsov   (Ukraine)
-     Dean St Mart   (Ireland)

Classic Tall
1     Dmitrii Krylov   (Russia)
2     Nicolas Alcoverro   (France)
3     Peter Bella   (Slovakia)
4     Serdar Teker   (Turkey)
5     Johan Saxerud   (Sweden)
6     Vytautas Teresevicius   (Lithuania)
7     Janar Ruckenberg   (Estonia)
8     Dražen Vrbančić   (Croatia)
9     Yan Hubenko   (Belarus)
10     Andrei Sviryd   (Belarus)
11     Pavel Georgiev   (Bulgaria)
12     Cyril Vilmant   (France)
13     Krystof Rodkiewicz   (Poland)
14     Ceyhun Tokmak   (Turkey)
15     Ivan Ivanov   (Bulgaria)

Classic Junior
1     Erik Halaska   (Slovakia)
2     Dainius Matulionis   (Lithuania)
3     Pekka Kotipohja   (Finland)
4     Antton Tammelin   (Finland)
5     Tibrahim Berat   (Turkey)
6     Jose Maria Caontos   (Spain)
7     Sum Kelner   (Estonia)
8     Dan Traian Aldea   (Romania)
9     Jake Martin Flaven   (United Kingdom)
10     Clive Sammut   (Malta)

Classic Masters Overall Winner Reino Strand

Classic Masters 40+
1     Reino Strand   (Switzerland)
2     Jiri Schafer   (Czech Republic)
3     Mahmut Bora Erzen   (Turkey)
4     Serge Rouze   (France)
5     Peter Ljunggren   (Switzerland)
6     Jimmy Marcillo   (France)
7     Cem Baltacioğlu   (Turkey)
8     Gauti Runarsson   (Iceland)
9     Eddie Bergkvist   (Switzerland)
10     Marek Boc   (Poland)
11     German Tomas   (Spain)
12     Kevin Cauchi   (Malta)
13     Kamal Salem   (Netherlands)
14     Juho Passila   (Finland)
15     Abdurrahman Kiran   (Turkey)

Classic Masters 50+
1     John Davi   (Spain)
2     Mieczysław Nowacki   (Poland)
3     Raymond Cassar   (Malta)
4     Mario Pace   (Malta)

Wheelchair
1     Daniel Minster   (Czech Republic)

[timfogarty]

Women  http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=European+Amateur+Championships+-+IFBB&y=2013&g=1

Bodybuilding
1     Branka Njegovec   (Croatia)
2     Olga Belyakova   (Russia)
3     Alina Cepurniene   (Lithuania)
4     Maryna Melchenko   (Ukraine)
5     Adriana Zavacka   (Slovakia)
6     Ayșe Senem Serhatli   (Turkey)
7     Jacqueline Borg   (Malta)

Junior
1     Beatrice Mihaela Serban   (Romania)
2     Barbara Budavari   (Hungary)

Masters
1     Caroline Gaume   (France)
2     Lisbet Grape   (Switzerland)
3     Michaela Schar   (Germany)
4     Lucie Limbrunnerova   (Czech Republic)
5     Monika Slosrova   (Czech Republic)
6     Estefania Saura   (Spain)
7     Paola Boschero   (Italy)
8     Larisa Denisova   (Russia)
9     Jacqueline Borg   (Malta)

Figure Overall Winner Gabriella Szabo

Figure A
1     Angela Derzapf   (Germany)
2     Raminta Valaitiene   (Lithuania)
3     Silvia Pavliskova   (Slovakia)
4     Stanislava Fockova   (Slovakia)
5     Valentina Mazzola   (Italy)
6     Szandra Hidasi   (Hungary)
7     Ekaterina Grima   (Ukraine)
8     Tetiana Paramonova   (Ukraine)
9     Anna Maria Giordani   (Italy)
10     Veronika Zubacova   (Czech Republic)
11     Sophie Leo   (France)
12     Ekaterina Smyshlyaeva   (Russia)
13     Panoria Kollia   (Greece)
14     Lill Nikolaisen   (Norway)
15     Michaela Kopperova   (Czech Republic)

Figure B
1     Gabriella Szabo   (Hungary)
2     Petra Urbankova   (Czech Republic)
3     Helene Ahlson   (Switzerland)
4     Vilma Salasevichute
5     Stina Telhammer   (Switzerland)
6     Andrijana Kiprijanoska   (Austria)
7     Tiina Vaskelainen   (Finland)
8     Elena Masarykova   (Slovakia)
9     Susse Hougaard   (Denmark)
10     Cristina Romano   (Italy)
11     Katerina Cienka   (Ireland)
12     Olga Chernous   (Ukraine)
13     Anastasiia Kuzminich   (Russia)
14     Alla Kasianiuk   (Ukraine)
15     Cecilia Barbut   (France)
-     Caroline Bovelet-Schober   (Austria)
-     Ramona Braun   (DA)

Figure C
1     Mette Ulseth   (Norway)
2     Elena Cuzuoic   (Italy)
3     Adela Ondrejovicova   (Slovakia)
4     Eva Rusan   (Croatia)
5     Elonore Eriksson   (Switzerland)
6     Jayne Tingle   (United Kingdom)
7     Viktorija Petraityte   (Lithuania)
8     Joanna Ucinska   (Poland)
9     Nina Simone Ross   (United Kingdom)
10     Minna Vento   (Finland)
11     Tatiana Volosi   (Russia)
12     Eszter Pati   (United Kingdom)
13     Kamila Kowecka   (Cyprus)
14     Milena Koudelkova   (Czech Republic)
15     Demet Karakaya   (Turkey)
-     Jitka Snajdrova   (Czech Republic)
-     Elzbieta Wawrzaszek   (Ireland)

Figure D
1     Olga Karavayeva   (Ukraine)
2     Yulia Zabelina   (Russia)
3     Olena Bulycheva   (Ukraine)
4     Elena Kirshchina   (Azerbaijan)
5     Kinga Szweda   (Poland)
6     Šarka Pickova   (Czech Republic)
7     Lesley Barents   (Netherlands)
8     Olga Shestoperova   (Russia)
9     Sonata Ilijonskiene   (Lithuania)
10     Yulianna Orlova   (Russia)
11     Angela Eramo   (Italy)
12     Lucia Doska   (Moldovia)
13     Monika Szabo   (Hungary)
14     Ann Marie Last   (Ireland)

Figure 35+
1     Marta DelAmo   (Spain)
2     Veronica Gallego   (Spain)
3     Gabriella Szabo   (Hungary)
4     Roberta Bozzao   (Italy)
5     Maria Scotland   (United Kingdom)
6     Maria Ignacia Mas   (Spain)
7     Ethel Heredia   (Spain)
8     Bienvenida Bevia   (Spain)
9     Yolanda Fernandez   (Spain)
10     Yulianna Orlova   (Russia)
11     Muriel Boumazza   (France)
12     Lucia Doska   (Moldovia)
13     Monica Alvarez   (Germany)
14     Katya Vella   (Malta)
15     Monika Szabo   (Hungary)
16     Iryna Yeromina   (Ukraine)

Figure 45+
1     Carina Isaksson   (Switzerland)
2     Rosario Gomez   (Spain)
3     Federica Ghezzi   (Italy)
4     Esther Serrano   (Spain)
5     Patrizia Gernero   (Italy)
6     Esta Pilt   (Estonia)
7     Alison Matthews   (Malta)
8     Nina Mukhortova   (Russia)
9     Linda Jonsdottir   (Iceland)
10     Giuditta Magazzino   (Italy)

Figure Junior Overall Winner Adela Ondrejovicova

Figure Junior Short
1     Corina Gradiaru   (Romania)
2     Jessica Silfversnagel   (Finland)
3     Martina Hruba   (Czech Republic)

Figure Junior Tall
1     Adela Ondrejovicova   (Slovakia)
2     Isa Mursu   (Finland)
3     Elin Hassel   (Finland)
4     Asta Bjork Bolladottir   (Iceland)

[musclecenter]

Mr.Timfogarty, thanks for your post.




 

[timfogarty]

So I've gotten complaints.  For this year's EU contest, the IFBB divided up the 90kg-100kg heavyweight class into 90kg and 95kg.  when I entered the results, I just started at the top with super-heavyweight on down to bantam-weight.  the complaint is that there was no bantam-weight, that lightweight was the lightest class. Mahmut Irmak didnt win welterweight, but light middleweight.  The thing is there is no official definition of weight classes.  Different sports have different definitions.  Even different orgs within the same sport (such as kickboxing) have different definitions.

and unfortunately when I designed the database in 1997, I didn't design it for kg.  with 187000 entries in the database, kind of hard to change it now.

So the question is:  Do I create a new weight class for this one IFBB contest, in between heavyweight and super-heavyweight:  Light-Super-Heavyweight ?

[NotMrAverage]

No need to create new classes, those wacky ones we have now does not make any sense what so ever

[Kim Jong Bob]

So I've gotten complaints.  For this year's EU contest, the IFBB divided up the 90kg-100kg heavyweight class into 90kg and 95kg.  when I entered the results, I just started at the top with super-heavyweight on down to bantam-weight.  the complaint is that there was no bantam-weight, that lightweight was the lightest class. Mahmut Irmak didnt win welterweight, but light middleweight.  The thing is there is no official definition of weight classes.  Different sports have different definitions.  Even different orgs within the same sport (such as kickboxing) have different definitions.

and unfortunately when I designed the database in 1997, I didn't design it for kg.  with 187000 entries in the database, kind of hard to change it now.

So the question is:  Do I create a new weight class for this one IFBB contest, in between heavyweight and super-heavyweight:  Light-Super-Heavyweight ?

masters 65 winner nico is from sweden not switzerland same with figure +45 winner carina isaksson and clasdic +45 winner reino strand..all swedes


Edit: masters women 2 place lisbetg grape to

[Kim Jong Bob]

well, they all do test of course, just not compared to the national guys from down here who do a shot of test e or sustanon every day as a base and still do prop on top of that. You are from Sweden? Cool, very nice country, Ya the guys from Eastern Europe are mainly the EQ guys and all Arabs do EQ as well, maybe not as popular in northern Europe

cool didnt know that

[musclecenter]

posedown for overall at finals
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[Agent69]

europe= better access to quality pharma grade drugs--

[timfogarty]

masters 65 winner nico is from sweden not switzerland same with figure +45 winner carina isaksson and clasdic +45 winner reino strand..all swedes
Edit: masters women 2 place lisbetg grape to

thanks. that's what I get from grabbing the results from a spanish language site, http://www.culturismoweb.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=24882

Suecia vs Suiza

[dj181]

no insulin, no synthol, less dosages, less fat offseason, better diet before contest, less gh.

i mean, good luck getting hard like these eu guys when using insulin and the required carbs for it.


im very proud to be in europe where the above mentioned madness is laughed at.

when i said i know some pros and what they take, which i know for 100%, the american posters here wouldnt believe me, theyd know better, bc it cannot be done different than in america.

i hope bfg wont come here and tell us about his email telling him exactly what europeans use.

the vast majority of americans are arrogant brainwashed asswipes

[timfogarty]

Remember, the amateur IFBB is officially a "drug free" organization.  The results above are pending the outcome of random doping tests.  Some people will be disqualified.  Of course they never say how many people get tested (my guess is less than 1 in 10), or what the failure rate is (my guess is close to 100%).

[OTHstrong]

i agree with this.

i see the european competitors every single day in the gym and we talk since years.

the equipoise thing i dont know where that came from, certainly not the case around here.

trenboone yeah, that ones popular.

it is simple, I know a lot of European sources that I talk to all the time and they tell me they move more EQ in europe then anywhere else and they move more test in the west then anywhere else. You don't have to know what someones taking personally to know what the market is dishing out.

Also I have verified for 100% fact the BFG does in fact communicate with a number of ifbb pros regularly. I know you don't like the guy but the truth is the truth, he is real 100% bro, I can not tell anyone why I know this but if you PM I will tell you only gal.

[Van_Bilderass]

it is simple, I know a lot of European sources that I talk to all the time and they tell me they move more EQ in europe then anywhere else and they move more test in the west then anywhere else. You don't have to know what someones taking personally to know what the market is dishing out.

Also I have verified for 100% fact the BFG does in fact communicate with a number of ifbb pros regularly. I know you don't like the guy but the truth is the truth, he is real 100% bro, I can not tell anyone why I know this but if you PM I will tell you only gal.

In which specific European countries is EQ used as a base with little to no test?

[Van_Bilderass]

trenboone yeah, that ones popular.

But you said there's no real UG gear on the market ..
so they're not really using tren... just watered down test I think
you said.