George Zimmerman - Attorneys release pictures from Trayvon Martin's cellphone

[Devon97]

it looks like he was losing a fight and then he shot the kid.

The Q is - DID HE START THE FIGHT?

THAT is the most important question.  There is no evidence that Trayvon started the fight.  There is no evidence that Zimmerman started the fight.  Zero.  Nobody saw it

Rob,

When police are called to the scene of a fight and it's one persons word against another, and one person is not a scratch on him and the other person has a bloody nose & bleeding back of head then 99.9999% of the time the police will arrest the UNINJURED person since they the evidence indicates they dished out the beating. It does not matter who said who started it.

You're smarted than this.

[Devon97]

Trayvon was simply standing his ground, of which he had every right to do.  Unfortunately the threat was all too real, and the aggressor killed him.  People who stand their ground don't always win.

Stand his ground against thee community security guard?? lol ok

[Radical Plato]

Stand his ground against thee community security guard?? lol ok

There was no community security guard, just a child molesting, women beating, police assaulting, deluded, paranoid self appointed neighbourhood sheriff with a gun and an attitude.  To bad there wasn't a community security guard around.  Could have prevented this whole tragedy.

[Devon97]

There was no community security guard, just a child molesting, women beating, police assaulting, deluded, paranoid self appointed neighbourhood sheriff with a gun and an attitude.  To bad there wasn't a community security guard around.  Could have prevented this whole tragedy.

haha be sure to fax this info into the prosecutor, I'm sure they'll be all ears 

[Marty Champions]

what kind of retard f@g buys skittles and tea those are certainly not my diet principles

[Schnauzer]

what kind of retard f@g buys skittles and tea those are certainly not my diet principles

He had strawberry-flavored tea and Skittles because those are the ingredients for "lean", along with Robitussin cough syrup.

"Trayvon, in fact, had become a devotee of the druggy concoction known as "Lean," also known in southern hip-hop culture as "Sizzurp" and "Purple Drank."  Lean consists of three basic ingredients -- codeine, a soft drink, and candy.  If his Facebook postings are to be believed, Trayvon had been using Lean since at least June 2011."  

[240 is Back]

No Need. George admitted he confronted Trayvon under circumstances that any reasonable person would construe as threatening.  As it turned out, Trayvon was right, the threat was real, and his attempts to prevent that threat from harming him failed.  George has buried himself, he confessed to creating a self defence situation for Trayvon,  Georges own admission would lead any reasonable (non racist) person to conclude that his actions were intimidating and threatening.

Anybody who has ever been followed and then been assaulted by surprise knows how important it is to be aware of your surroundings and how threatening someone following you in the dark is (That's why only a crazy person would follow someone, or someone with a chip on their shoulder and a gun).  Even your claims that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerpig is justifiable because he simply reversed the roles, he was being chased and stalked (he said as much on the phone) and he took pre emptive action.  Any reasonable person would understand that.  By virtue of the fact Trayvon is dead by Georges hand, this fact is testament to the level of threat Trayvon faced that night.  Considering George did actually kill him, Trayvon had every right to be threatened by what turned out to be deadly force.

excellent post.

if someone fat man with a 9mm chases me two blocks... i get away then suddenly he emerges from the backyard shortcut...

well, it's not conversation time at that point.  very reasonable for me to fear for my life.  Trayvon could have used fists, brick, or gun on Zimmerman - and he'd have a pretty good claim for self-defense. 

Great points you made.

[chaos]

excellent post.

if someone fat man with a 9mm chases me two blocks... i get away then suddenly he emerges from the backyard shortcut...

well, it's not conversation time at that point.  very reasonable for me to fear for my life.  Trayvon could have used fists, brick, or gun on Zimmerman - and he'd have a pretty good claim for self-defense. 

Great points you made.

Yes, I'm sure George was running around waving his 9mm in the air chasing that guy, causing extreme fear in this guy that had apparently enjoyed fighting and was also no stranger to brandishing a weapon himself.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

He had strawberry-flavored tea and Skittles because those are the ingredients for "lean", along with Robitussin cough syrup.

"Trayvon, in fact, had become a devotee of the druggy concoction known as "Lean," also known in southern hip-hop culture as "Sizzurp" and "Purple Drank."  Lean consists of three basic ingredients -- codeine, a soft drink, and candy.  If his Facebook postings are to be believed, Trayvon had been using Lean since at least June 2011."  

He can a can of Tea....not a soda...and lean is made usually with Jolly Ranchers...not Skittles along with a can of Sprite

[240 is Back]

Yes, I'm sure George was running around waving his 9mm in the air chasing that guy, causing extreme fear in this guy that had apparently enjoyed fighting and was also no stranger to brandishing a weapon himself.

it's not that hard to tell when someone is packing a 9m, IWB.

[Schnauzer]

He can a can of Tea....not a soda...and lean is made usually with Jolly Ranchers...not Skittles along with a can of Sprite

You are wrong again, Vince. He had a can of Arizona strawberry-flavored tea. Fruit-flavored drinks can be used in place of soda. And yes, Skittles can be used to make lean as well as Jolly Ranchers. In addition, Tampon made several Facebook posts about using it.

[Voice of Doom]

it's not that hard to tell when someone is packing a 9m, IWB.

Not once you're packing yourself...then you see every other concealed user.  Before that I would never have known.

[reppingfor20]

so if he goes free will there be another race riot like with the rodney king verdict?

justice will be served rip Trayvon.

[240 is Back]

Not once you're packing yourself...then you see every other concealed user.  Before that I would never have known.

you  make a good point. 

the funniest thing is to make eye contact with another man, look down at what he's packing from his bulge, smirk, and he returns the knowing smirk (no bodybuilding fan)

[Shockwave]

you  make a good point. 

the funniest thing is to make eye contact with another man, look down at what he's packing from his bulge, smirk, and he returns the knowing smirk (no bodybuilding fan)

You are such a tool rob, you are the exact kind of gun owner you rail against. Boisterous, wanmabe tough guy uberdouche that thinks packing a firearm makes you tough. You are exactly the kind of person that shouldn't be allowed a CWP.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

You are wrong again, Vince. He had a can of Arizona strawberry-flavored tea. Fruit-flavored drinks can be used in place of soda. And yes, Skittles can be used to make lean as well as Jolly Ranchers. In addition, Tampon made several Facebook posts about using it.

I don't believe you but what difference does it really make?  Has nothing to do with Barney Fife shooting an unarmed kid

[Schnauzer]

I don't believe you but what difference does it really make?  Has nothing to do with Barney Fife shooting an unarmed kid

I don't care what you believe or do not believe, and it has as much to do with the case as all the dirt on Zimmerman that has been publicized.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I don't care what you believe or do not believe, and it has as much to do with the case as all the dirt on Zimmerman that has been publicized.

The only thing that Zimmerman's lawyer is doing is throwing up "red herrings" and other distractions that just isn't going to work.  At this point, he needs to strike up a plea bargain to save his client from spending the rest of his life in prison.  There's no way any jury is going to find Poncho Villa innocent

[The True Adonis]

[AC Slater]

trayvon was a thug who got what he deserved.

[RRKore]

Rob,

When police are called to the scene of a fight and it's one persons word against another, and one person is not a scratch on him and the other person has a bloody nose & bleeding back of head then 99.9999% of the time the police will arrest the UNINJURED person since they the evidence indicates they dished out the beating. It does not matter who said who started it.

You're smarted than this.

I honestly don't understand this post.  In this case, both parties were injured, one fatally so.  And Zimmerfool was taken into custody (if not arrested), right?  Also, in this case it's not one's word against another's; Luckily we also have the recording of the phone call to the police dispatcher, right?   
Not sure what you're even trying to say here.

[240 is Back]

Rob,

When police are called to the scene of a fight and it's one persons word against another, and one person is not a scratch on him and the other person has a bloody nose & bleeding back of head then 99.9999% of the time the police will arrest the UNINJURED person since they the evidence indicates they dished out the beating. It does not matter who said who started it.

You're smarted than this.

I think when ONE of the people has a gun, everything changes.
I think with recorded evidence of one person angry, and pursuing, and the other running to get away...

Not even getting into Zimm's record with assault on LEO, domestic abuse, the perverted shit, and whatever else... I mean, trayvon was a dumb kid posing with a glock and using pot... Zimmerman was running thru yards with a 9mm because he wanted to handle justice before the police arrived.  Zimm's a much bigger danger to society (if we want to talk about trayvon being a thug, as others have)

[chaos]

I think when ONE of the people has a gun, everything changes.
I think with recorded evidence of one person angry, and pursuing, and the other running to get away...

Not even getting into Zimm's record with assault on LEO, domestic abuse, the perverted shit, and whatever else... I mean, trayvon was a dumb kid posing with a glock and using pot... Zimmerman was running thru yards with a 9mm because he wanted to handle justice before the police arrived.  Zimm's a much bigger danger to society (if we want to talk about trayvon being a thug, as others have)

At what point did Zimmerman draw his weapon?

[240 is Back]

At what point did Zimmerman draw his weapon?

we don't know.   but he was wearing it IWB front right carry.  It's very difficult to run upright with a 9mm there without a hand on it, at the very least.   

Even if he had no gun - chase someone while using words like "punk and asshole" for 2 blocks in the night and rain - I bet any of us would be scared for our safety. 

I know every getbigger claims they'd politely have a convo when the man cut thru yard and cut off the fleeing teenager... but I wouldn't... if a man (not a cop) was using profanity and chasing me thru the streets, I'm greeting him with a brick, fist, shoe, or whatever else I have..   Police identify theemselves for this EXACT reason.

[chaos]

we don't know.   but he was wearing it IWB front right carry.  It's very difficult to run upright with a 9mm there without a hand on it, at the very least.   

Even if he had no gun - chase someone while using words like "punk and asshole" for 2 blocks in the night and rain - I bet any of us would be scared for our safety. 

I know every getbigger claims they'd politely have a convo when the man cut thru yard and cut off the fleeing teenager... but I wouldn't... if a man (not a cop) was using profanity and chasing me thru the streets, I'm greeting him with a brick, fist, shoe, or whatever else I have..   Police identify theemselves for this EXACT reason.

He must have been in good shape to chase down that kid with one hand on his phone, the other on his gun and talk to the 911 operator.

You make alot of ASSumptions.