Unless you're trying to be a pro why use the special sauce?

[Borracho]

honestly did lol

would run 2-3 miles on the track after each workout

all my protein came from chicken, fish, and turkey.... beef MAYBE once a week

carbs were either plain rice or pasta

all meals had some veggies

snacked on fruits

drank nothing but water and milk

A lot of the sides you mentioned were due to water retention which is why I like low/no carbs most of the time. But if they affected you negatively especially your mood I wouldn't go back to using them. This stuff is supposed to make you feel better not worse.

[EH]

while "on" i was 5' 9.75" at 220 11-12%:
blood pressure - 160/80
constant brown piss
pains in upper traps during night that would wake me up
low back pain from carrying so much weight all day
ate like a savage
emotionally unstable

been "off" for a year now, same height but 185 14%
blood pressure - 118/78
piss is healthy
no night pain
no low back pain
eat like a normal human being
mentally stable

was it really worth it?

the only thing I miss was all the attention and the undeniable fact that I would get girls 3x easier but overall considering my health, the answer is

NO

any experiences from you guys?

carrying 'so much weight'... eh,

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'unless youre a pro'? why not 'unless you're a cancer/aids/burn patient'?

get the fuck outta here with these 'hollier-than-thou' threads.