George Zimmerman - Discussion - Guilty or Innocent?

[Nails]

That would mean something if we actually knew what both of their paths were.

[240 is Back]

Ok, so if Zimmerman were attacked in his car and not outside, you would be supporting Zimmerman right now?  Is this correct?

Its the whole car thing that has you bent out of shape.  The same EXACT incident would have you supporting Zimmerman had he been in closer proximity to the car or in the vehicle itself.  So therefore you recognize that Zimmerman was protecting himself, just not in his car when being attacked and therefore you think he should be found guilty, despite the incident being the same, car or not?

On the street, it was two men - one chased another.

In the car/home, it's very clear cut.  Trayvon can climb in his window, surrender and beg for mercy and be coldly executed - legally.

I've been very clear that zimmerman was PROBABLY just defending himself and the shoot itself was legal.

The only problem is that zimmerman did everything he could to CREATE a lethal showdown.  He got out with a gun to chase down a person he claimed was on drugs and possibly armed - what other possible outcome did he expect?  Zero common sense, or lust for trigger time.


Trayvon reaches inside that truck window, it's lights out, POW, totally legal.

[The True Adonis]

My Bad you are right , not Niigg but FUCKING COONES

Nope.  That didn't happen either. Yet you STILL believe it. HA HA HA HA



It Was 'Cold,' Not 'C O O N S': CNN Backtracks On Its Claim That Zimmerman Used Racial Slur In 911 Call

By Amrutha Gayathri
on April 06 2012 2:24 AM

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http://www.ibtimes.com/it-was-cold-not-guy-cnn-backtracks-its-claim-zimmerman-used-racial-slur-911-call-434466

[Shockwave]

See the words "assumed"?

It means "a guy on the internet tried to make a map based on extremely vague words from a 911 call, and has absolutely zero evidence to support it"\

Im sure if there was any validity to it, the prosecution would have used it in their arguments. As far as I know, they did not.

[240 is Back]

Jeb bush gave us castle doctrine - extending into our cars - in florida.  

It used to be, someone reached in your window, you had to make an effort to retreat.  Once jeb changed that, you no longer had a duty to flee.

[Nails]

Logic tells me that Zimmerman was a neighborhood watchman.

He followed Trayvon till the cops could arrive.  No running.

Trayvon turned around, had words with Zimmerman.   At that point, it could have ended there.

But instead, Trayvon threw a punch and broke Zimmerman's nose, and a fight ensured.

Please don't tell me that Trayvon threw a punch while Zimmerman held a gun on him.

Incorrect he was never a neighborhood watchman

he is huffing and puffing in his 911 call so its safe to assume zimmerman was giving chase

there is no evidence trayvon threw the first punch

Would you put your life in another persons hands that held a gun at you without even trying to defend yourself

[Shockwave]

Incorrect he was never a neighborhood watchman

he is huffing and puffing in his 911 call so its safe to assume zimmerman was giving chase

there is no evidence trayvon threw the first punch

Would you put your life in another persons hands that held a gun at you without even trying to defend yourself

Have you looked at the guy? He'd huff and puff just getting up to get the remote. 

[The True Adonis]

Cool. I`m assuming you`re speaking from experience. How many notches on your handle.  

None, but if someone attacks me and I have a gun, I am going to use it. I would be a fool not to.

[Nails]

Nope.  That didn't happen either. Yet you STILL believe it. HA HA HA HA



It Was 'Cold,' Not 'C O O N S': CNN Backtracks On Its Claim That Zimmerman Used Racial Slur In 911 Call

By Amrutha Gayathri
on April 06 2012 2:24 AM

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http://www.ibtimes.com/it-was-cold-not-guy-cnn-backtracks-its-claim-zimmerman-used-racial-slur-911-call-434466

Looks like and invalid link, no worries i know the difference between Coon and cold when i hear it

[240 is Back]

Have you looked at the guy? He'd huff and puff just getting up to get the remote.  

 Zimmerman has gained 120 pounds since the arrest, according to his own lawyer.

He weighed 204 pounds upon arrest.  He must be 324 pounds today?  

[Nails]

See the words "assumed"?

It means "a guy on the internet tried to make a map based on extremely vague words from a 911 call, and has absolutely zero evidence to support it"\

Im sure if there was any validity to it, the prosecution would have used it in their arguments. As far as I know, they did not.

Nope, this is facts by Zimmerman , you have to believe it since you believe what zimmerman is saying

[Straw Man]

Logic tells me that Zimmerman was a neighborhood watchman.

He followed Trayvon till the cops could arrive.  No running.

Trayvon turned around, had words with Zimmerman.   At that point, it could have ended there.

But instead, Trayvon threw a punch and broke Zimmerman's nose, and a fight ensured.

Please don't tell me that Trayvon threw a punch while Zimmerman held a gun on him.

or Zimmerman tried to detain Martin and Martin tried to get away (as he had every right to do) and the fight ensued

or Martin could have seen that Zimmerman had a gun (holstered) and thought he had a better punch this guy before the gun comes out

or back to the first scenario after the fight started Martin wound up on top of Zimmerman and saw the gun and was getting up to get away when he was shot

[The True Adonis]

Looks like and invalid link, no worries i know the difference between guy and cold when i hear it

Here is a whole page of valid links.  Have fun defending a lie that the media already admitted they ran with and had to later apologize about.  But you WANT to believe.  HA HA HA HA

https://www.google.com/search?q=CNN+Backtracks+On+Its+Claim+That+Zimmerman+Used+Racial+Slur+In+911+Call&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs

[240 is Back]

Zimmerman stumbled when he said "I got punched when i saw trayvon and reached back for my g... phone..."

LOL.... he went for his piece.  very primal instinct.  sounds like trayvon pinned his ass, hit him a few times, and held him down while he zimm tried to alert police with yells?

And after a minute of it, trayvon finally let to ad when he stood up to flee, BOOM.

[The True Adonis]

or Zimmerman tried to detain Martin and Martin tried to get away (as he had every right to do) and the fight ensued

or Martin could have seen that Zimmerman had a gun (holstered) and thought he had a better punch this guy before the gun comes out

or back to the first scenario after the fight started Martin wound up on top of Zimmerman and saw the gun and was getting up to get away when he was shot

None of that makes any sense according to not only the defense, but the prosecution as well.  

You are interjecting bullshit that never happened to satisfy some kind of agenda.  Stick to the facts, will you?

[Shockwave]

Nope, this is facts by Zimmerman , you have to believe it since you believe what zimmerman is saying

A. Map is bullshit, but you know that already, since you are an expert troll.

B. I don't believe Zimmermans story, but there is no real way to disprove him = reasonable doubt = aquitted.

[The True Adonis]

Zimmerman stumbled when he said "I got punched when i saw trayvon and reached back for my g... phone..."

LOL.... he went for his piece.  very primal instinct.  sounds like trayvon pinned his ass, hit him a few times, and held him down while he zimm tried to alert police with yells?

And after a minute of it, trayvon finally let to ad when he stood up to flee, BOOM.

Nope.  He shot Ashtray when he was on top of him.

[Shockwave]

Zimmerman stumbled when he said "I got punched when i saw trayvon and reached back for my g... phone..."

LOL.... he went for his piece.  very primal instinct.  sounds like trayvon pinned his ass, hit him a few times, and held him down while he zimm tried to alert police with yells?

And after a minute of it, trayvon finally let to ad when he stood up to flee, BOOM.

Lawl. glad you knew where he was going with his sentence, mr oracle.

[240 is Back]

A. Map is bullshit, but you know that already, since you are an expert troll.

B. I don't believe Zimmermans story, but there is no real way to disprove him = reasonable doubt = aquitted.

he cannot be disproven because he chose to chase the kid into a dark alley where nobody could clearly see the shooting.

and if it was just he said/he dead, that'd be on thing.

But we also know that trayvon ran to escape him  ZImmerman actually had to get out and run down the incident.

Imagine is zimmerman had run 2 blocks to escape trayvon?  it'd be prett damn clear then, huh?

[Shockwave]

he cannot be disproven because he chose to chase the kid into a dark alley where nobody could clearly see the shooting.

and if it was just he said/he dead, that'd be on thing.

But we also know that trayvon ran to escape him  ZImmerman actually had to get out and run down the incident.

Imagine is zimmerman had run 2 blocks to escape trayvon?  it'd be prett damn clear then, huh?

Wow. The fact that you're making this guy out to be some evil genius and you go through all kinds of mental gymnastics to support your theories is pretty impressive, really.

I remember when you were promising everyone that the whole thing was planned, and that he beat himself after he shot the kid to cap of his evil scheme.

[Nails]

A. Map is bullshit, but you know that already, since you are an expert troll.

B. I don't believe Zimmermans story, but there is no real way to disprove him = reasonable doubt = aquitted.

WHat part of.the map

His car was parked where the map says it was

Tayvons dead boy is where it says it is

Tayvons fathers gf house is where it says it is

There is only 2 sidewalks

Its really not that complicated, trayvon wasnt jumping over fences and houses like ferris beuller

[240 is Back]

Wow. The fact that you're making this guy out to be some evil genius and you go through all kinds of mental gymnastics to support your theories is pretty impressive, really.

I remember when you were promising everyone that the whole thing was planned, and that he beat himself after he shot the kid to cap of his evil scheme.

I still think that is a possibility.  We're all just talking guesses predicitons here, so please don't get too upset that i'm "promising" anything.  I'm just giving my theory, same as everyone else here.

Now, looking at his role - 4 years as neighborhood hero, 50+ 911 calls, pacing with a gun, writing papers about wanting to be a US marshall to hunt down bad guys, college degree in crim justice that he can't use because he shoved a cop, caught a domestic abuse charge?  Had he not plead down and counter-charged, he woudl have had gun rights revoked already.

Now, looking at that night - he claimed trayvon was circling his truck, looking high on drugs, and hand on something in waistband, possibly a weapon - then he purposely gets OUT of his vehicle and runs into the rainy darkness to confront/catch/question this aarmed junkie? 

He's either fcking crazy dumb, or he's murderous.  One of those two.  Both are dangers to society.

[Straw Man]

None of that makes any sense according to not only the defense, but the prosecution as well.  

You are interjecting bullshit that never happened to satisfy some kind of agenda.  Stick to the facts, will you?

LOL @ agenda?

what kind of agenda could I possibly have

the closing argument of the prosecution today included the possibility that Martin was shot while backing off of Zimmerman after "possibly" seeing the gun

We don't know how the fight started nor do we know if in fact Zimmerman confronted or tried to detain Martin

You don't know it and I don't know it

[Coach is Back!]

There are quite a few attorneys on here. Is like to see a few chime in.

[240 is Back]

if zimm shot trayvon for reaching in his car, i'd applaud it.   it's the law. 

if zimm chased trayvon 2 blocks into a rainy dark alley, it gets a lot messier.  if anyone chases me two blocks in the dark, and i'm winded and hiding in the bushes and they arrive armed, they're going down.  I'm defending myself because i fear for my life.  THAT is what pisses me off.  Zimm thought it was acceptable to grab a gun and scare the every loving SHIT out of somebody.  Seriously, dude was 45 pounds bigger, 10 years older, and strapped!!!!!!!!!!!!!   and he jumped out of truck and chased me down? 


Guys... assuming you're 200 pounds.... imagine an armed 250 pound man chasing your two blocks and finding your ass hiding in the bushes.  Are you calm and ready to do what he tells you?  Or is it time to protect yourself?