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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2013, 09:32:51 AM »
Nasser kept track of everything in his log books.
says who?

did they find them post mortem?

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2013, 10:52:17 AM »
afters years of over analyzing

i concluded low dose test and high dose finasteride is the only way to go for a guy with hairloss who wants muscles but not want to be a slaphead at 25


so i just use 1ml of 300mg/ml test e

i did like 12wks then came off stopped training etc for 6 then got back on

that back on part

was like what ... 5-6 wks ago? i dont know anymore

i stop keeping track now


yikes@!.. u know using low test and high finestride you're asking for chemical castration? I'd rather see you use Dutasteride (splling?)

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2013, 12:17:17 PM »
yikes@!.. u know using low test and high finestride you're asking for chemical castration? I'd rather see you use Dutasteride (splling?)
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your opinion is unsubstantiated and you are revealing your ignorance

there are two types of dht for instance

AND

your body gets used to less dht regardless

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2013, 12:33:29 PM »
nah thatd come most likely if dosage is increased and gets fatter.

hes kinda within "safe" border.

esfitness, you look, uhm, ok.

yah, stay on the normal dose chalo, and the by end of year see where you wanna go
2.5mg of finasteride will increase estradiol tho despite "only" 300mg test

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2013, 12:53:16 PM »
cock better than ever


your opinion is unsubstantiated and you are revealing your ignorance

there are two types of dht for instance

AND

your body gets used to less dht regardless


ugh... c'mon dude. realize who you're talking to.

I've got 5 mins before I gotta go take a shit, shower, shave, and head out to my first client of the day. I think. lets see how many links I can find reguarding chemical castration w/finastride in that time.

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2013, 01:01:48 PM »
Off-label uses

Finasteride is sometimes used in hormone replacement therapy for male-to-female transsexuals in combination with a form of estrogen due to its antiandrogen properties.[9][10] However, little clinical research of finasteride use for this purpose has been conducted and evidence of efficacy is limited. Indeed, finasteride is a substantially weaker antiandrogen in comparison to conventional antiandrogens like spironolactone and cyproterone acetate. Furthermore, it has been associated with inducing depression and anxiety at a high rate in both male and female patients,[11] symptoms that are very common in transsexuals, who are already at a high risk.[12] As a result, prescription of finasteride for this indication in male-to-female transsexuals may not be particularly useful, and could put them at risk for detrimental emotional side effects. Finasteride has also been found to mitigate the effects of withdrawal after chronic alcohol use.[13]

Sexual side effects

There are case reports of persistent diminished libido or erectile dysfunction, even after stopping the drug.[21] In December 2008, the Swedish Medical Products agency concluded a safety investigation of finasteride and advised that finasteride may cause irreversible sexual dysfunction. The Agency's updated safety information lists difficulty in obtaining an erection that persists indefinitely, even after the discontinuation of finasteride, as a possible side effect of the drug.[22] The UK's Medical and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) cites reports of erectile dysfunction that persists once use of finasteride has stopped.[23] Similar labeling changes have been made by the Italian government. For a period of time there was a discrepancy between European and North American warning labels regarding the risks of developing persistent sexual side effects from taking Propecia but after two years in April 2011 Merck revised the United States' warning in consumer and medical leaflets to include erectile dysfunction that may persist after stopping finasteride.[24] In April 2012, the FDA chose to approve Merck's proposed labeling from 2011 only after the warning label was further strengthened to include reports of persistent libido disorders, ejaculation disorders, orgasm disorders, and decreased libido. [25][26][27]

Antiandrogens are classified as steroidal or nonsteroidal. Steroidal antiandrogens not only counter androgens, but also affect secondary sex characteristics. Steroidal antiandrogens directly affect gene expression due to their fat-soluble nature that allows them to diffuse through the plasma membrane’s phospholipid bilayer and prevent the binding of testosterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) to the androgen receptor.[7] Non-steroidal antiandrogens, or "pure" antiandrogens, such as nilutamide and flutamide, counter androgens and have no steroidal effects. Antiandrogens inhibit circulating androgens by blocking androgen receptors, suppressing androgen synthesis, or acting in both those ways.[8] The most common antiandrogens are androgen receptor (AR) antagonists which act on the target cell level and competitively bind to androgen receptors.[2]

Inhibition of androgen production occurs through a unique mechanism for each antiandrogen. For example, ketoconazole not only competes with androgens such as testosterone and DHT for androgen receptor binding, but also suppresses androgen synthesis by inhibiting cytochrome P450 and 17,20-lyase, which partake in synthesizing and degrading steroids, including the precursors of testosterone. The result is a decrease in the overall testosterone production of the adrenal cortex.[9] Gonadotrophins, pituitary hormones capable of altering androgen synthesis, are also affected by antiandrogens. Antiandrogens can have suppressive effects on gonadotropin secretion by down-regulating gonadotropin-releasing hormone receptors (GnRHR) in the pituitary gland. A decreased amount of GnRHRs results in gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) not being able to bind sufficiently. GnRH is responsible for the release of the gonadotropins luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH). LH stimulates the Leydig cells of the testes and the theca cells of the ovaries to produce testosterone (and indirectly estradiol). Therefore, if GnRH cannot bind, testosterone synthesis is not induced in the testes or ovaries.[10]

Medical applications[edit]

Antiandrogenic pharmaceuticals are used to treat an array of medical conditions that are dependent on the androgen pathway. Antiandrogens are often prescribed for men with prostate cancer, benign prostatic hyperplasia, hypersexuality, male contraception, and for those that are undergoing gender reassignment

Pharmaceuticals for men[edit]

Antiandrogens in males can result in hyposexuality (diminished sexual desire or libido), reduced activity or function of the accessory male sex organs, and slowed or halted development or reversal of male secondary sex characteristics.[11]

Antiandrogenic drugs are often indicated to treat severe male sexual disorders, such as hypersexuality (excessive sexual desire) and sexual deviation such as paraphilia (a disorder involving intense recurrent sexual urges), since lowering male hormone levels decreases libido.[12] As a part of a program for registered sex offenders recently released from prisons, the offender is sometimes administered antiandrogen drugs to reduce the likelihood of repeat offenses by reducing sexual drive.[12] On occasion, antiandrogens are used as a male contraceptive agent.


Propecia Risks

Imagine a drug that shuts off androgen receptivity and production in the male body, literally castrating its users. Some might say this would be a perfect drug for repeat and violent sex offenders. However, someone got a better idea and decided to sell it to the general male public and all without mentioning any of the potential risks (Propecia in its hey day generated a little over $400 million per year in revenue.)

Yes, indeed, this castrating drug is called Propecia (generic name:  finasteride) and you can buy it over the counter in countless stores for hair loss. As I cover in my link on Hair Loss, Propecia is rife with sexual side effects.  Around one in ten men will experience significant erectile and sexual dysfunction after starting this nasty drug.

CAUTION:  This drug is also sold under the trade name Proscar. Talk with your doctor before going off of any medication for prostate or other medical reasons.

Erectile dysfunction is just the beginning for many men.  Around one in 50 will go on to experience severe androgen deficiency. There are many names for this, but Post Finasteride Syndrome has become quite common.

Do you know the foods and drinks that increase erection-boosting Nitric Oxide? Check out the Peak Erectile Strength Diet  where I show you how to dramatically and naturally improve your erectile strength.

Regardless, what you call it, researchers do not really understand completely what is going on. Of course, Propecia is a strong anti-androgen that works by limiting 5 alpha reductase, the enzyme that converts testosterone to DHT.  Propecia also binds to 5 alpha reductase and actually inserts itself into the same androgen locations. All of this results in some men in extreme and irreversible androgen insensitivity.  Somehow permanent damage is done and, from what I have read, sometimes cannot be reversed with standard treatments given to steroid users who shut off their testosterone production.

The good news is that the industry is just now admitting the problem and a recent study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine admitted that permanent erectile damage did seem to be occurring with Propecia usage. [1] They even encouraged doctors to discuss these risks with their patients.  Imagine that - discussing the potential risk of being chemically castrated before beginning a drug for prostate enlargement or hair lo


Adverse effects

Side effects of finasteride include impotence (1.1% to 18.5%), abnormal ejaculation (7.2%), decreased ejaculatory volume (0.9% to 2.8%), abnormal sexual function (2.5%), gynecomastia (2.2%), erectile dysfunction (1.3%), ejaculation disorder (1.2%) and testicular pain. According to the product package insert, resolution occurred in men who discontinued therapy with finasteride due to these side effects and in most men who continued therapy. The PPI also states that patients have reported persisting erectile dysfunction despite discontinuing the drug. In December 2010, Merck added depression as a side effect of finasteride.[14]

In November 1997, an FDA panel refused to recommend approval of the drug Propecia for male pattern baldness. Although it was not disputing its efficacy, the committee members expressed some concerns about the possibility of long-term side effects on sexual function and possibly even fertility, which arose because of some evidence of diminished ejaculate levels. [15]

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2013, 01:07:37 PM »
Those training and nutrition and drug regiment records nasser kept where pretty much priceless. I think Nasser was one of the few body builders through out time that would have done good against todays bodybuilders. He was kind of ahead of his time on his physique. Im pissed no magazines gave him even a decent page to say what he contributed to the sport. It makes me really mad when I think about it they could have taken one of the 20 million repeat articles they have about bicep peaks and just put one page saying rest in peace Nasser. I would rather pay 10 grand for his training notes than a big ass piece of art to hang on my wall that's for sure

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2013, 01:14:15 PM »
calling me out? I was wondering what you meant by "fuck off aesthetics" in the other thread. now I see it was directed towards me.

not that I really give a fuck about who or what you think I am, but here's something to jerk off to. I realize it's a msg board, and you're a big tough guy, but you should think twice before you go around being disrespctfull.

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2013, 06:54:53 PM »
look, if someone wants to use gramm(s) year in year out, thats fine, but do not tell to ransdom kids that its safe, you clowns.

listen kids, 1 gramm weekly is far from safe, dont listen to any fatso who hasnt seen his abs in his life yet.



umm cause it is...yes bloodwork is fine and blood preesure kept under control by meds.  keep open with your doctor and most will have no problem talking about it hell its a break from the normal shit they gotta deal with.  eat clean low sodium low caffeine and your good.

300mgs is just wasting money ask anyone whos been in the game for a long time theyd laugh their ass off.


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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2013, 09:26:56 AM »
not a waste

i'm having the gainz of my life these last few months

for years i tried to look like i lifted

now i have to try to hide the fact i lift

but people can always not shut up about it


not huge but

noticable gainz

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2013, 10:22:00 AM »
so using 300 is the the better choice over using 500?

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2013, 05:49:53 PM »
250+ and I get chin bloat and sock marks on my ankles, so I don't go over it

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2013, 07:20:06 PM »
nice to see a cocky know it all new comer on here say galeniko what dosages have you personally tried and for how long?

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2013, 08:24:38 PM »
if you're worried about 'side effects', then fucking manage them.

who the fuck expects to use steroids at doses ONLY where there are no sides?

your ankles are puffy? your chin is puffy? control your estrogen!!@#

actually, I like it that some guys are sooooo scared and brainwashed with bro-science that they're afraid to run anything over a gram (TOTAL! for fucks sake). that's cool. stay a buck-80.

but, when some of use DO go up to doses you get scared of, don't #1 call us liars #2 say we're gonna die. it' just makes you sound incredibly ignorant. and if you wanna sensationalize the 'dangers' and play to peoples (17yr old kids) fears, don't get all butt hurt when we call you on your pansy-ness. you're like the getbig steroid board's Bill O'Rieley with all your fear-mongering.

remember when the earth used to be flat? well, the same's true for the guys that'd get all these supposed health problems when they went over 1.5g/wk, and NOBODY ever went over 2g test/wk. but that's cool... keep believing that. ::)

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Re: 500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2013, 01:40:57 PM »
if you're worried about 'side effects', then fucking manage them.

who the fuck expects to use steroids at doses ONLY where there are no sides?

your ankles are puffy? your chin is puffy? control your estrogen!!@#

actually, I like it that some guys are sooooo scared and brainwashed with bro-science that they're afraid to run anything over a gram (TOTAL! for fucks sake). that's cool. stay a buck-80.

but, when some of use DO go up to doses you get scared of, don't #1 call us liars #2 say we're gonna die. it' just makes you sound incredibly ignorant. and if you wanna sensationalize the 'dangers' and play to peoples (17yr old kids) fears, don't get all butt hurt when we call you on your pansy-ness. you're like the getbig steroid board's Bill O'Rieley with all your fear-mongering.

remember when the earth used to be flat? well, the same's true for the guys that'd get all these supposed health problems when they went over 1.5g/wk, and NOBODY ever went over 2g test/wk. but that's cool... keep believing that. ::)
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