First-ever fatal crash of Boeing 777 today (SFO)

[tu_holmes]

would never fly American made plane.

Difference between Euro and American product, be it cars or planes is like night and day.
American is like Chinese; looks shiny but breakes up when you would need it 

i fly a lot and I can't tell the difference between a Boeing and an Airbus in terms of quality.

I'm sure you can look it up but I would say that almost all airlines and manufacturers have a about the same history of safety.

They are all very very high.

There are literally millions of flights a year and you have maybe 1 or 2 incidents of anything going wrong.

That's better than any other form of transportation. Period.

[The_Punisher]

i fly a lot and I can't tell the difference between a Boeing and an Airbus in terms of quality.

I'm sure you can look it up but I would say that almost all airlines and manufacturers have a about the same history of safety.

They are all very very high.

There are literally millions of flights a year and you have maybe 1 or 2 incidents of anything going wrong.

That's better than any other form of transportation. Period.

American airlines used lots of airbus planes and boeing as well...the new american airlines fleet are now using the new boeing 777 and I heard there will be a couple 737 as well....jetblue uses airbus exclusively while southwest uses Boeing 737 exclusively....maybe airbus give great discounts....lol....as far as safety records, I think both airbus and boeing had their moments....mcdonald douglas planes were some of the shittiest products.....here's the safety records for the DC-9

As of March 2009, the DC-9 has been involved in 117 incidents, including 101 hull-loss accidents,[31] with 2,135 fatalities

and here's another safety records for the MD-80

As of February 2013, the MD-80 series has been involved in 61 incidents,[31] including 31 hull-loss accidents,[32] with 1,330 fatalities of occupants

[The_Punisher]

flying may still be the safest mode of transportation, but when disater strikes, it goes out with a Bang....here's a crash records from 1999 up to last year

year   deaths       # of accidents
2012  794                  119
2011  828                  117
2010  1,115                130
2009  1,103                122
2008  884                   156
2007  971                   147
2006  1,294                166
2005  1,459                185
2004   71                   172
2003   1,230               199
2002   1,413               185
2001   4,140               200
2000   1,582               189
1999   1,138               211

[Irongrip400]

flying may still be the safest mode of transportation, but when disater strikes, it goes out with a Bang....here's a crash records from 1999 up to last year

year   deaths       # of accidents
2012  794                  119
2011  828                  117
2010  1,115                130
2009  1,103                122
2008  884                   156
2007  971                   147
2006  1,294                166
2005  1,459                185
2004   71                   172
2003   1,230               199
2002   1,413               185
2001   4,140               200
2000   1,582               189
1999   1,138               211

2004 was a good year to fly. I hate flying and should've never clicked this thread.

[tu_holmes]

flying may still be the safest mode of transportation, but when disater strikes, it goes out with a Bang....here's a crash records from 1999 up to last year

year   deaths       # of accidents
2012  794                  119
2011  828                  117
2010  1,115                130
2009  1,103                122
2008  884                   156
2007  971                   147
2006  1,294                166
2005  1,459                185
2004   71                   172
2003   1,230               199
2002   1,413               185
2001   4,140               200
2000   1,582               189
1999   1,138               211

No disagreement, but there are literally 50,000 flights per day.

That's 1.5 million flights a month. What's that? About .00013%?

Way more accidents in every other transportation method.

No doubt, if it hits the fan, odds are, you're done.

[The_Punisher]

No disagreement, but there are literally 50,000 flights per day.

That's 1.5 million flights a month. What's that? About .00013%?

Way more accidents in every other transportation method.

No doubt, if it hits the fan, odds are, you're done.

lol...that's the catch....it maybe safer than other means of transportation, but when shit happens, everyone pays

[The_Punisher]

2004 was a good year to fly. I hate flying and should've never clicked this thread.

I don't mind flying, but I hate turbulences.....it always make me feels like that shit is gonna flip and take a nose dive.. 

[TommyBoy]

flying may still be the safest mode of transportation, but when disater strikes, it goes out with a Bang....here's a crash records from 1999 up to last year

year   deaths       # of accidents
2012  794                  119
2011  828                  117
2010  1,115                130
2009  1,103                122
2008  884                   156
2007  971                   147
2006  1,294                166
2005  1,459                185
2004   71                   172
2003   1,230               199
2002   1,413               185
2001   4,140               200
2000   1,582               189
1999   1,138               211

Something that needs to be put in perspective here are the sheer total amount of flights per year compared to the number of fatal incidents. Not to mention many of these incidents are VFR pilots being absolutely retarded. I deal with thousands of flights per day and we have an incident only 2-3 times a year. That is only my facility, not including the rest of the U.S. (or world). It is almost ALWAYS a general aviation pilot being a knuckle head, or some poor guy who got rocked on his landing with a bad gust or crosswind that increases these numbers.

I myself would never train to be a pilot after being in m career field for as long as I have been, but it is hard to not recognize the statistics. The sheer amount of redundancy layered over redundancy in the interest of safety is pretty mind boggling when it comes to flying.

Think of it like this. How often do you think there would be traffic accidents if all cars were literally forced to stay 1/4 mile behind each other at all times, and that there was a physical person at each stop light/intersection dictating when and which cars could proceed? That's a simplified explanation of how flying works (unless you go VFR and basically say I GOT THIS!).

[arce1988]

[arce1988]

[arce1988]

[Chadwick The Beta]

obviously a punishment from God for them even considering renaming the SF Airport "Harvey Milk Airport"

[arce1988]

[Parker]

Video of crash

[TommyBoy]

The NTSB initial findings are showing evidence of serious pilot error so far.

Video of crash
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Got you bro!

Also, hello fellow jalopnik reader.

[Parker]

The NTSB initial findings are showing evidence of serious pilot error so far.

Got you bro!

Also, hello fellow jalopnik reader.

Thanks...and yep...

[tu_holmes]

Asiana Flight 214 pilot had 43 hours of training.

[Rami]

Boeing is going to want everything in the investigation point to pilot error.

[Rami]

They said it looks like one girl died because the emergency truck ran over her.

[The_Punisher]

Something that needs to be put in perspective here are the sheer total amount of flights per year compared to the number of fatal incidents. Not to mention many of these incidents are VFR pilots being absolutely retarded. I deal with thousands of flights per day and we have an incident only 2-3 times a year. That is only my facility, not including the rest of the U.S. (or world). It is almost ALWAYS a general aviation pilot being a knuckle head, or some poor guy who got rocked on his landing with a bad gust or crosswind that increases these numbers.

I myself would never train to be a pilot after being in m career field for as long as I have been, but it is hard to not recognize the statistics. The sheer amount of redundancy layered over redundancy in the interest of safety is pretty mind boggling when it comes to flying.

Think of it like this. How often do you think there would be traffic accidents if all cars were literally forced to stay 1/4 mile behind each other at all times, and that there was a physical person at each stop light/intersection dictating when and which cars could proceed? That's a simplified explanation of how flying works (unless you go VFR and basically say I GOT THIS!).

well, it seems like the reports are starting to come out a bit now about this Crash and Pilot Error is a front runner.......they said this pilot had very little training on this Boeing 777 prior to this flight and the flight data recorder showed that at 5 miles till landing, the plane was going too fast and was at a high altitude and the pilot was not taking final approach procedures and by the time he had the plane ready to land, they were going too slow, too low and had very little time to recover and then Boom!!,........WOW, a pilot with little experience on this model Plane was trusted to fly 309 souls on a 12hr flight.....that wasn't smart

[The_Punisher]

Asiana Flight 214 pilot had 43 hours of training.

hahahahahha.....Oh my freaking goodness......this airline should be severely punished......I bet you those 43hrs of training were on a Simulator....that punk ass pilot never flew the 777 before and he was trusted with the lives of 309 people.....only in South Korea you'll see bullshit like this..

[Skeletor]

http://kotaku.com/asiana-airlines-headline-called-racist-and-in-bad-ta-699270861

Not sure if it was intentional but funny nonetheless

[Tapeworm]

Inauspicious 

[TommyBoy]

After watching that crash I'm pretty amazed only two people died. Obviously it's a tragedy, but holy crap that could have been so much worse.

[Tre]

After watching that crash I'm pretty amazed only two people died. Obviously it's a tragedy, but holy crap that could have been so much worse.

The 777 is an amazing aircraft.  Hail to the almighty GOD for giving mankind the ability to use our fucking brains to create such wondrous works of engineering and design, despite our total inability to control the fucking weather.

And yes, the NTSB chick is hot as hell.  Would do.  Would definitely do.  Hell, even though she works for the guh-ment, I'd wife that shit.