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« Reply #50 on: September 25, 2013, 12:31:34 PM »

Would rather have seen a 1 yr limit on anyone who wants to buy health insurance can (excluding newborn children) with pre-existing conditions being considered.  After that , they should be on their own.  Now we will still see turds only buy coverage when they become ill.  Kinda like buying fire insurance on a house after it catches fire.   



exactly.

Help, I need auto insurance.....I just hit a car....I have a pre-existing condition.

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« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2013, 12:46:01 PM »

Would rather have seen a 1 yr limit on anyone who wants to buy health insurance can (excluding newborn children) with pre-existing conditions being considered.  After that , they should be on their own.  Now we will still see turds only buy coverage when they become ill.  Kinda like buying fire insurance on a house after it catches fire.   


The whole thing is bullshit.  You are born with DNA that can encode for cancer cells.  You are born with a heart with a certain capacity of limitation.  Virus and disease can be contracted easily and unknowingly.  There is no such thing as "pre-existing".  Its always pre-existing at some point.

The Private Health Insurance Industry is a sick and deranged scam.  I still can`t believe this is how healthcare operates in the United States.  Its an illogical waste of money hinged on making money off of human misery by not covering things and jacking the price up to make up for not being able to deny coverage.

Yet, you and others support this nonsense.  Very strange to me and very stupid.
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« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2013, 12:46:56 PM »

exactly.

Help, I need auto insurance.....I just hit a car....I have a pre-existing condition.


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« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2013, 12:50:32 PM »

The whole thing is bullshit.  You are born with DNA that can encode for cancer cells.  You are born with a heart with a certain capacity of limitation.  Virus and disease can be contracted easily and unknowingly.  There is no such thing as "pre-existing".  Its always pre-existing at some point.

The Private Health Insurance Industry is a sick and deranged scam.  I still can`t believe this is how healthcare operates in the United States.  Its an illogical waste of money hinged on making money off of human misery by not covering things and jacking the price up to make up for not being able to deny coverage.

Yet, you and others support this nonsense.  Very strange to me and very stupid.


So if someone doesnt pay a penny into health coverage their entire life but wants to buy it when they develop cancer, etc... that somehow makes sense to you?  I had my insurance license and know what a shitty imdustry it is but allowing someone to purchase coverage after they have developed a terminal condition is beyond moronic. 
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« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2013, 12:57:08 PM »

So if someone doesnt pay a penny into health coverage their entire life but wants to buy it when they develop cancer, etc... that somehow makes sense to you?  I had my insurance license and know what a shitty imdustry it is but allowing someone to purchase coverage after they have developed a terminal condition is beyond moronic. 
Yes.  Lets just let them die.  They deserve to die and have no coverage if they can`t pay.  Or if they get coverage, the hospital should bankrupt them, take their house and every penny they own. 

You are right, they should not have gotten cancer.  Their fault.
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« Reply #55 on: September 25, 2013, 01:03:04 PM »

U are a "registered" Libertarian yet u are on Medicare? That's kind of hypocritical. Why not live what u preach and forego government medical insurance. All doctors and hospitals take cash. Is Social Security part of your "fixed income"? Fixed income of course being a classic big government term of art. Nothing is stopping u from getting more income.

You're probably a retired public school teacher or other public service worker on a pension.

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Why do you two think all Libertarians have to be hardline extremists?  Most Libertarians are probably moderates.
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« Reply #56 on: September 25, 2013, 01:03:45 PM »

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« Reply #57 on: September 25, 2013, 01:04:01 PM »

Yes.  Lets just let them die.  They deserve to die and have no coverage if they can`t pay.  Or if they get coverage, the hospital should bankrupt them, take their house and every penny they own. 

You are right, they should not have gotten cancer.  Their fault.

No, what they should have done was be a responsible adult and purchase insurance instead of counting on those of us who do to cover them and thereby drive up our cost.  Personal responsibility.
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« Reply #58 on: September 25, 2013, 01:07:09 PM »

No, what they should have done was be a responsible adult and purchase insurance instead of counting on those of us who do to cover them and thereby drive up our cost.  Personal responsibility.
Yes, because everyone has a job and everyone can afford health insurance.   Roll Eyes 

Republican Plan: Don`t get sick, Die Quickly.  Personal responsibility.


Look, its not going to work and Private Insurance is the problem.

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« Reply #59 on: September 25, 2013, 01:10:10 PM »

Private Insurance is the problem.

So, lets fix the real problem and make healthcare just like any other service people buy.
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« Reply #60 on: September 25, 2013, 01:12:30 PM »

Yes, because everyone has a job and everyone can afford health insurance.   Roll Eyes 

Republican Plan: Don`t get sick, Die Quickly.  Personal responsibility.


Look, its not going to work and Private Insurance is the problem.



Democrat Plan: Don't buy insurance, let someone else pay for you. No personal responsibility. 

There are VERY few Americans who cant afford insurance.  Its just that they choose to have a flat screen, cable, cell phone plans beyond their needs, $150 sneakers, car payments they shouldnt have, etc...  instead of making it a priority. Medicaid would easily cover the ones who really need it.
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« Reply #61 on: September 25, 2013, 01:12:40 PM »

Why do you two think all Libertarians have to be hardline extremists?  Most Libertarians are probably moderates.

Huh? Then why register in a minor third-party if you are a moderate?
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« Reply #62 on: September 25, 2013, 01:12:57 PM »

So, lets fix the real problem and make healthcare just like any other service people buy.
Fixing the problem would be Universal Healthcare like the rest of the civilized world has or totally eliminating the middle man, this case being the Insurance Companies.


Healthcare is not just a service, its a matter of life and death and continued production.  You will have no economy if the sick cannot be treated or afford to be treated.
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« Reply #63 on: September 25, 2013, 01:13:38 PM »

Democrat Plan: Don't buy insurance, let someone else pay for you. No personal responsibility. 

There are VERY few Americans who cant afford insurance.  Its just that they choose to have a flat screen, cable, cell phone plans beyond their needs, $150 sneakers, car payments they shouldnt have, etc...  instead of making it a priority. Medicaid would easily cover the ones who really need it.
Its not that simple.  Sounds cute, but its not really like that.
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« Reply #64 on: September 25, 2013, 01:15:23 PM »

Fixing the problem would be Universal Healthcare like the rest of the civilized world has or totally eliminating the middle man, this case being the Insurance Companies.


Healthcare is not just a service, its a matter of life and death and continued production.  You will have no economy if the sick cannot be treated or afford to be treated.

You do realize that Universal Healthcare really only works for routine health conditions generally?  The real problem with it is when catastrophic conditions arise. 
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« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2013, 01:21:48 PM »

You do realize that Universal Healthcare really only works for routine health conditions generally?  The real problem with it is when catastrophic conditions arise. 
I realize that Single Payer is proven to be more effective in health outcomes and is much more financially viable as it would actually save much more.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-system-cost
the U.S. could save an estimated $592 billion annually by slashing the administrative waste associated with the private insurance industry ($476 billion) and reducing pharmaceutical prices to European levels ($116 billion). In 2014, the savings would be enough to cover all 44 million uninsured and upgrade benefits for everyone else.
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« Reply #66 on: September 25, 2013, 01:24:47 PM »

http://washingtonexaminer.com/white-house-report-tennesee-men-face-290-women-197-obamacare-hike/article/2536363
Tennessee: Obamacare will triple men's premiums, double women's
By PAUL BEDARD | SEPTEMBER 25, 2013 AT 12:07 PM

Today, a 27-year-old man in Memphis can buy a plan for as low as $41 a month. On the exchange, the lowest state average is $119 a month a 190 percent increase.

Today, a 27-year-old woman in Nashville can also buy a plan for as low as $58 a month. On the exchange, the lowest-priced plan in Nashville is $114 a month a 97 percent increase. Even with a tax subsidy, that plan is $104 a month, almost twice what she could pay today.

Today, women in Nashville can choose from 30 insurance plans that cost less than the administration says insurance plans on the exchange will cost, even with the new tax subsidy.

In Nashville, 105 insurance plans offered today will not be available in the exchange.


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« Reply #67 on: September 25, 2013, 01:26:14 PM »

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« Reply #68 on: September 25, 2013, 01:26:45 PM »

http://washingtonexaminer.com/white-house-report-tennesee-men-face-290-women-197-obamacare-hike/article/2536363
Tennessee: Obamacare will triple men's premiums, double women's
By PAUL BEDARD | SEPTEMBER 25, 2013 AT 12:07 PM

Today, a 27-year-old man in Memphis can buy a plan for as low as $41 a month. On the exchange, the lowest state average is $119 a month a 190 percent increase.

Today, a 27-year-old woman in Nashville can also buy a plan for as low as $58 a month. On the exchange, the lowest-priced plan in Nashville is $114 a month a 97 percent increase. Even with a tax subsidy, that plan is $104 a month, almost twice what she could pay today.

Today, women in Nashville can choose from 30 insurance plans that cost less than the administration says insurance plans on the exchange will cost, even with the new tax subsidy.

In Nashville, 105 insurance plans offered today will not be available in the exchange.



Why don`t you look at why this is happening.
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« Reply #69 on: September 25, 2013, 01:28:46 PM »

  Sure it will drop by 50% and the deductibles and co-pays go through the frigging roof

yeah forget about a normal check up for physical or something minor youll be paying full price
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« Reply #70 on: September 25, 2013, 01:30:49 PM »

Why don`t you look at why this is happening.

What's your point? Huh

$41 dollars a month is affordable.
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« Reply #71 on: September 25, 2013, 01:33:17 PM »

Why don`t you look at why this is happening.

Doesn't matter. Obama promised it would DROP by $2500 per family. Liberal math 2 + 2 = 800,000,000,000,000,000,000.
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« Reply #72 on: September 25, 2013, 01:34:01 PM »

I realize that Single Payer is proven to be more effective in health outcomes and is much more financially viable as it would actually save much more.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-system-cost
the U.S. could save an estimated $592 billion annually by slashing the administrative waste associated with the private insurance industry ($476 billion) and reducing pharmaceutical prices to European levels ($116 billion). In 2014, the savings would be enough to cover all 44 million uninsured and upgrade benefits for everyone else.


Obama spent $850 billion as soon as he walked into the Oval Office with his first stimulus plan.  

Remember, the one with shovel ready jobs, except that they weren't so "shovel ready?"
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« Reply #73 on: September 25, 2013, 01:35:34 PM »

So if someone doesnt pay a penny into health coverage their entire life but wants to buy it when they develop cancer, etc... that somehow makes sense to you?  I had my insurance license and know what a shitty imdustry it is but allowing someone to purchase coverage after they have developed a terminal condition is beyond moronic. 

cancer treatment is pure shit, its just a way of fowarding people to death via chemo

chemo has a negative success rate

better off avoiding heme-iron or pay Marty Forkwater to set up a cancer free diet
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« Reply #74 on: September 25, 2013, 01:35:38 PM »

Doesn't matter. Obama promised it would DROP by $2500 per family. Liberal math 2 + 2 = 800,000,000,000,000,000,000.

It's all bullshit.  Obama has no idea how or whether this will work.

The govt. expects that somehow business will figure this out.

Just remember, when you need  a hip replacment, you'll call 1-800-529-1040 rather than your doctor.
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