Author Topic: CAN SOMEONE HERE TELL ME WHAT TO SAY TO THIS PERSON? (Read 3942 times)

Double XL · « **on:** December 25, 2005, 05:00:54 AM »

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What is the difference between women putting mens hormones into their bodies and guys who finish off a cycle and then have to take female hormones into their system to get their shit working like a man again?

blaster · « **Reply #1 on:** December 25, 2005, 05:15:53 AM »

Who's taking female hormones?

HCG isn't a hormone, is it? I know it comes from females' piss.

muscle19 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 25, 2005, 08:04:01 AM »

men have to take anti-estrogens in order to prevent estrogen form building up in the body.

muscle

mojouk · « **Reply #3 on:** December 25, 2005, 10:23:37 AM »

but anti oestrogen is not female hormone...its a female hormone blocker.

sportingsteroids · « **Reply #4 on:** December 25, 2005, 02:22:18 PM »

muscle19 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 25, 2005, 02:58:11 PM »

exactly my point, they are not estrogen pills, they prevent estrogen by helping restore nat. production of testosterone.

muscle

Loomis · « **Reply #6 on:** December 25, 2005, 03:19:56 PM »

Clomid and Nolva are actually weak estrogens. They bind to the estrogen receptor, blocking it from the stronger estrogens produced by aromatized test.

DIVISION · « **Reply #7 on:** December 25, 2005, 07:00:35 PM »

Quote from: Loomis on December 25, 2005, 03:19:56 PM

Clomid and Nolva are actually weak estrogens. They bind to the estrogen receptor, blocking it from the stronger estrogens produced by aromatized test.

Correct.

Weak estrogens that work as anti-estrogens when used for our purposes.

It's like reverse biochemical engineering.

DIV

JamieX4200 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 26, 2005, 02:10:56 AM »

So would taking Nolva after the fact, help reduce the size of gyno if it is small before you have it removed?

BIGMIKE · « **Reply #9 on:** December 27, 2005, 09:09:17 AM »

Quote from: JamieX4200 on December 26, 2005, 02:10:56 AM

So would taking Nolva after the fact, help reduce the size of gyno if it is small before you have it removed?

IT MAY APPEAR THAT WAY ONLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE FATTY TISSUE GETS BURNED IF U DIET DOWN.I HAVE SOME AND IT GOES AWAY ALMOST ENTIRELY WHEN I GET READY FOR A SHOW.IT DOES BRING SOME OF THAT SWELLING DOWN BUT IT DOES NOT REDUCE IT...

muscle19 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 27, 2005, 09:17:11 AM »

hey bigmike, off subject, u said u compete, how many shows have u competed in?

muscle

BIGMIKE · « **Reply #11 on:** December 27, 2005, 09:59:54 AM »

I'VE DONE 6.JUST STARTED GETTIN READY FOR # 7.THE HIGHEST I'VE PLACED IS 2ND AS A LHW AT THE BEST NAT'L QUALIFIER ON THE EAST COAST,THE SOUTHERN STATES.THAT WAS IN 2004.THIS YEAR I GOT ON STAGE 15 LBS HEAVIER AND JUST AS HARD.SADLY THOUGH,MY FIRST VENTURE INTO THE LAND OF THE GIANTS WAS NOT A GREAT ONE,AS I FELT LIKE A RAPTOR SURROUNDED BY TREX'S AND BRONTOSAURUS'.I DID GET PROPS BACKSTAGE FROM TROY ALVES THOUGH FOR THE JUMP IN WEIGHT CLASS.LOL.

muscle19 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 27, 2005, 10:18:15 AM »

troy alves? damn bro thats aweasome. i thought about competing but i just dont think i have what it takes plus im really busy with work, i just dont feel i have the time to give it a shot at this moment. r u planning to try to turn pro or is this more of a hoppy? good luck bro with ur competitions!

p.s. what type of cycles do u run (what compounds) during pre-contest? thanks

muscle

BIGMIKE · « **Reply #13 on:** December 27, 2005, 07:48:36 PM »

THE WHOLE TROY ALVES THING WAS PRETTY COOL.HE WAS GUEST POSING AT MY SHOW AND HE HAPPENED TO OVERHERE A CONVERSATION WITH MY BUDDY BACKSTAGE AND JUMPED IN.I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST BE A TOP LEVEL AMATEUR IF NOT A PRO.I'M MORE OF THE OLD SCHOOL TYPE.I USE CYP,DBOL,WINNY,DECA AND JUST RECENTLY TREN.I WOULD LOVE SOME PRIMO BUT IT'S A PAIN TO GET IT AND IT'S NOT LIKE THE ONE I USED YEARS AGO.OLD SCHOOL DOESN'T MEAN I WOULDN'T TRY NEW THINGS THOUGH...

muscle19 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 27, 2005, 08:43:03 PM »

yeah the whole alves thing would be something to remember. i hope u achieve ur goals in competetive bb. i will dable with primo this cycle towards the end (last 6 wks) as a finisher at 200mg/wk. now, i know people are goin to say to increase it, but i think tha i can get some results with what i have left.

muscle

DIVISION · « **Reply #15 on:** December 27, 2005, 11:04:05 PM »

Quote from: BIGMIKE on December 27, 2005, 07:48:36 PM

THE WHOLE TROY ALVES THING WAS PRETTY COOL.HE WAS GUEST POSING AT MY SHOW AND HE HAPPENED TO OVERHERE A CONVERSATION WITH MY BUDDY BACKSTAGE AND JUMPED IN.I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST BE A TOP LEVEL AMATEUR IF NOT A PRO.I'M MORE OF THE OLD SCHOOL TYPE.I USE CYP,DBOL,WINNY,DECA AND JUST RECENTLY TREN.I WOULD LOVE SOME PRIMO BUT IT'S A PAIN TO GET IT AND IT'S NOT LIKE THE ONE I USED YEARS AGO.OLD SCHOOL DOESN'T MEAN I WOULDN'T TRY NEW THINGS THOUGH...

Troy Alves is a consummate pro, only heard good things about him from people.

Primo is not worth the cost, Michael.

Use Anavar or Winstrol.

Did you buy your Tren or did you hombrew?

I'm curious as to what brand you bought.

DIV

BIGMIKE · « **Reply #16 on:** December 28, 2005, 08:55:55 AM »

Quote from: DIVISION on December 27, 2005, 11:04:05 PM

Troy Alves is a consummate pro, only heard good things about him from people.

Primo is not worth the cost, Michael.

Use Anavar or Winstrol.

Did you buy your Tren or did you hombrew?

I'm curious as to what brand you bought.

DIV

I'M WELL AWARE OF THE HIGH COST OF PRIMO.I WAS JUST REFLECTING ON THE OLD DAYS

.HOMEBREW? NEVER! THE DANGERS ARE NOT WORTH THE COST EFFICIENCY.EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED A STERILE ENVIRONMENT.COOKING YOUR OWN STUFF WITHOUT THE RIGHT EQUIP IS RUSSIAN ROULETTE.

I'M USING IBEROBOLICS.

I WAS GOING TO GET QV,BUT IT WASN'T AVAILABLE.

muscle19 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 28, 2005, 09:21:08 AM »

i homebrewed my tren and have had NO problems at all. no abcess, no infections from it. it saved me so much money but i can understand why u wouldnt want to do it. i gave it a try and got lucky cause i have had no problems.

muscle

DIVISION · « **Reply #18 on:** December 28, 2005, 01:24:54 PM »

Quote from: BIGMIKE on December 28, 2005, 08:55:55 AM

I'M WELL AWARE OF THE HIGH COST OF PRIMO.I WAS JUST REFLECTING ON THE OLD DAYS .HOMEBREW? NEVER! THE DANGERS ARE NOT WORTH THE COST EFFICIENCY.EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED A STERILE ENVIRONMENT.COOKING YOUR OWN STUFF WITHOUT THE RIGHT EQUIP IS RUSSIAN ROULETTE.
I'M USING IBEROBOLICS.
I WAS GOING TO GET QV,BUT IT WASN'T AVAILABLE.

Hombrew isn't something I've done yet, and I'm curious as to what precuations most people take in their own kitchens with these chemicals. Alot of people hombrew, that's for sure.

DIV

muscle19 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 28, 2005, 02:32:20 PM »

im a clean person as it is, so i had no problems but who is to say that the next time, there might be a problem, who knows but ur right, alot of people homebrew, so that leads me to think that if so many people do this, then it must be relatively safe.

muscle

Captain Equipoise · « **Reply #20 on:** December 28, 2005, 08:22:14 PM »

Back to the original question... I think what the guy meant was that these drugs (clomid, nolva, etc.) are mostly prescribed to women, but bodybuilders end up using them (because they work for us