Prisoner Hunger Strike In California

[Parker]

Being among thousands of murderers willing to stab your eyes out isn't a deterrent? The trustee system is the most the prison system can do to work inmates. Chain gangs and all that other nonsense is a waste of time. Sounds like the suggestion of a person that beats their dogs.

That's the price you have to pay...
Don't feel sorry for them, because that dude who breaks into your house and steals your belongings and pawns them doesn't feel sorry for you. And when that person gets probation, and then doesn't pay restitution to you, and goes out and does it again...the system is geared in not helping the victim, there is no justice. Today's system is geared to making money, period. There is no f___ks given to the outcome.
And you can humanely work defendants in a chain gang...some of you let your imaginations get the best of you.

And what shall we do to control the incentives that will arise by way of using this labor?

Have strict controls in place. The prisoners can do labor that benefits the state or the public in some shape or form.
For instance, instead of hiring unskilled workers for certain jobs, you use a chain gang. Therefore the inmates can see the fruits of their labor and take pride in what they did when they are released. You never really truly appreciate something unless you work hard for it, or build it yourself.

[Jack T. Cross]

Have strict controls in place. The prisoners can do labor that benefits the state or the public in some shape or form.
For instance, instead of hiring unskilled workers for certain jobs, you use a chain gang. Therefore the inmates can see the fruits of their labor and take pride in what they did when they are released. You never really truly appreciate something unless you work hard for it, or build it yourself.

So we'd trust the state to control itself from seeking more labor, you'd say?

[Tapeworm]

We really need to reform eliminate the drug laws in the US. Unfortunately, the law enforcement unions and pharmaceutical lobby will do everything they can to prevent it from happening.

It's a business model perpetuated for its own benefit.  Doesn't serve the citizenry at all.

Use drugs in your own house and they can kick in your door and haul you away.  Piss in a cup as a 'precondition' of employment.  Highest imprisonment rate in the world due to drug legislation.  Land of the free.  

I think recreational drug use is kind of lame but it's not a crime when the perpetrator and victim are the exact same person.

[Parker]

So we'd trust the state to control itself from seeking more labor, you'd say?

and you can't trust the corporations and the Judicial system to not use criminals and the breakdown of the family as a means to make money...there is no perfect system. The problem is in our society today, is that it's easier to be a criminal than it is to be an upstanding citizen. And due to that, a system has evolved and grown to exploit that---we live in a capitalist society...people will make money where they see an opportunity to do so.
The state system would have a board that would tightly regulate them, and one could say under federal guidelines. The state should be limited to using the  chain gang labor force for certain projects. Because of the safety issues involved. By using possibly a cheaper labor force, and appeasing a certain faction who says "illegal immigrants are taking unskilled labor jobs" you are in effect killing two birds with one stone. The public benefits, and so do the some of politicians---the ones who "claim" that they are tough on crime and the ones who claim that they are getting Americans jobs.

[Parker]

It's a business model perpetuated for its own benefit.  Doesn't serve the citizenry at all.

Use drugs in your own house and they can kick in your door and haul you away.  Piss in a cup as a 'precondition' of employment.  Highest imprisonment rate in the world due to drug legislation.  Land of the free.  

I think recreational drug use is kind of lame but it's not a crime when the perpetrator and victim are the exact same person.

The problem is America itself...therein lies the biggest problem with drug usage. You have the massive amount of money made off of rec drug usage, and you have the break down of the family, and then you have the "cool" image, and then there is the fact that as a society, we've gotten to the point that we make enough money that we think of our own leisure and pleasure. Which may be one of our downfalls.

The next problem is a addict is still a addict whether the drugs are legal or not. And a junkie will steal, lie, cheat or kill to get their fix.

Then, there is the view that addicts are throw aways of our society, when many can or could be treated...and helped back into being productive members of society. Unfortunately, our Judicial system views said people again, as money makers, and a system has evolved in making money off of these people.

[tommywishbone]

Prison guards making $100,000+ per year of peace

[Parker]

Prison guards making $100,000+ per year of peace

yep, a CO can make over 100k-140k by putting in a lot of overtime.

[Jack T. Cross]

...by the way, enter the private prison fiends, and shit really goes haywire.

[Tapeworm]

The problem is America itself...therein lies the biggest problem with drug usage. You have the massive amount of money made off of rec drug usage, and you have the break down of the family, and then you have the "cool" image, and then there is the fact that as a society, we've gotten to the point that we make enough money that we think of our own leisure and pleasure. Which may be one of our downfalls.

The next problem is a addict is still a addict whether the drugs are legal or not. And a junkie will steal, lie, cheat or kill to get their fix.

Then, there is the view that addicts are throw aways of our society, when many can or could be treated...and helped back into being productive members of society. Unfortunately, our Judicial system views said people again, as money makers, and a system has evolved in making money off of these people.

Idk, we can't fix all the world's ills.  I'm just saying prohibition is nonsense and is the cause of America's disproportionate incarceration rate.

Laws similar to those managing alcohol seem reasonable.  No public intoxication, no sales to minors, no operating a motor vehicle, etc.  If you mug an old lady then you get prosecuted for mugging an old lady.  The reason why doesn't enter into it.

It's unlikely that some free-for-all would ensue.  Drug abuse would continue to carry the same stigma it does now, just as alcohol abuse is frowned upon.

[Jack T. Cross]

and you can't trust the corporations and the Judicial system to not use criminals and the breakdown of the family as a means to make money...there is no perfect system. The problem is in our society today, is that it's easier to be a criminal than it is to be an upstanding citizen. And due to that, a system has evolved and grown to exploit that---we live in a capitalist society...people will make money where they see an opportunity to do so.
The state system would have a board that would tightly regulate them, and one could say under federal guidelines. The state should be limited to using the  chain gang labor force for certain projects. Because of the safety issues involved. By using possibly a cheaper labor force, and appeasing a certain faction who says "illegal immigrants are taking unskilled labor jobs" you are in effect killing two birds with one stone. The public benefits, and so do the some of politicians---the ones who "claim" that they are tough on crime and the ones who claim that they are getting Americans jobs.

So we'd trust the state the control itself from seeking increasingly greater benefit from such labor.

And an answer to illegal immigrants taking jobs, would be to have imprisoned people do them, instead.

Got it.

[Wiggs]

C.O.s deserve that. Most couldn't hack it working in a prison.

[Jack T. Cross]

C.O.s deserve that. Most couldn't hack it working in a prison.

Many are corrupt pieces of shit, too, no doubt.

[HockeyFightFan]

An experiment, put 36 Getbiggers in an area made for 20 (bunk beds) and see how it turns out

Groink, Shizzo, Straw Man, Soul Crusher, Cswol etc

Groink would be renting out those twinks for packs of Marlboro Reds by noon....

[Jack T. Cross]

Quickest way to strip a mofo's rights, is to throw him in prison.

[Wiggs]

Many are corrupt pieces of shit, too, no doubt.

Haha. True. Can't really help that.

[Jack T. Cross]

..if there is incentive to strip rights, as we all have come to know as FACT, gotta think about this shit.

[Jack T. Cross]

Power-hungry motherfckers, bros. They are out there. As real Americans, it is our duty to CRUSH them.

[Dokey111]

"prison hunger strike" should mean the same thing as suicide, so what

[viking1]

Fuck the inmates.

[Jack T. Cross]

Funny thing with some of the asses on this thread, IS THAT YOUR MOTHERFCKING GEAR CAN GET YOU LOCKED UP AT ANY TIME.

Maybe that's what you're asking for(?).

[Parker]

So we'd trust the state the control itself from seeking increasingly greater benefit from such labor.

And an answer to illegal immigrants taking jobs, would be to have imprisoned people do them, instead.

Got it.

You deal in absolutes, I don't. there is no singular or "best" way. there are different methodologies to deal with a problem or issue. I suggest the state expand upon different options, and this is one.
 Plus, you look at from someone quite possibly doesn't see the world of crime, punishment, and how it relates to certain communities, and and how going to jail or being a jail bird is look upon as being a good thing. Once, it is looked upon as stigma, then certain communities may have another reason to not lift said examples up as something to aspire to.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

C.O.s deserve that. Most couldn't hack it working in a prison.

As long as they allow women to be CO's and many do become them, your statement can't possibly hold any truth...

[Wiggs]

Fuck the inmates.

There are some heartless motherfuckers in this thread and this world. I've never been even arrested let alone jail or prison. Though these people are sent to prison because they deserve it most cases, I feel sorry for the way these people are treated in most cases. I'm not saying it should be an oasis but what's going on is modern day slavery. Black, Latinos and Whites that are in prison.  There has never been a legitimate effort to reform the culture or environment. Hell, they make money off it with private prisons and TV shows like "Locked up".  Then these guys come out institutionalized in end up back in prison cause they're all fucked up and that's all they know. More free slavery.

Step outside of your plush little lives you feel are important and look at the big picture. When it comes time, this country deserves every bit of hell fire God pours upon it with all the evil it's committed since before its inception.

[Jack T. Cross]

You deal in absolutes, I don't. there is no singular or "best" way. there are different methodologies to deal with a problem or issue. I suggest the state expand upon different options, and this is one.

Yes, bro. Some way will ultimately amount to the 'best' way. To begin with, we absolutely cannot consider the interests of any profiteer when it comes to locking up our citizens. It's one of those places where it is absolutely inappropriate and downright dangerous.

Education. Take everything you were saying about the value of seeing a job well done, and compel them to do the work on themselves. It will serve them right, literally.

Plus, you look at from someone quite possibly doesn't see the world of crime, punishment, and how it relates to certain communities, and and how going to jail or being a jail bird is look upon as being a good thing. Once, it is looked upon as stigma, then certain communities may have another reason to not lift said examples up as something to aspire to.

Here, we have the idea of a financial offer to delay or decline reproduction. An absolutely perfect remedy for this particular brand of bad parenting.

[Parker]

Yes, bro. Some way will ultimately amount to the 'best' way. To begin with, we absolutely cannot consider the interests of any profiteer when it comes to locking up our citizens. It's one of those places where it is absolutely inappropriate and downright dangerous.

Education. Take everything you were saying about the value of seeing a job well done, and compel them to do the work on themselves. It will serve them right, literally.

Here, we have the idea of a financial offer to delay or decline reproduction. An absolutely perfect remedy for this particular brand of bad parenting.

Unfortunately, in a capitalist society, profitability WILL and ALWAYS come into play...it is unvoidable. I understand your concerns, but many have forfeited their rights to be normal citizens, they must earn their right to be accepted back into mainstream society. Recidivism is a huge problem, but the current "business" model for the Judicial encourages it...politicians encourage it, and their is a huge support system that encourages it.
Work on themselves? You don't deal with criminals do you? Their job description is being a criminal, their resume reflects this...you cannot compel people to work on themslves, they must compel themselves, and only a few do so...and why should they if they have in their minds that they are benefitting from being a criminal?

Paying people to not produce or delay? And you were talking about someone making a profit? Who pays for this? And why should one pay people do that? It is common knowledge that poor people have lots of kids, the Catholic Church knows this, and encourages this. Look at the most Catholic country in the world, Brazil...look at all those people in the favela..poor people.

No, that idea is right up with paying kids to get good grades...no they and others must be inspired to do better. Inspiration comes in many forms, an ideal, or a leader, or from oneself.