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Re: The Craig I knew.......
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2005, 12:07:42 PM »
How do you know that? Causes can't often be separated. Environment's often a contributing factor, like anything else.
to me?  oh it's his genetic predisposition
meaning genetic addiction disorder

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« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2005, 12:34:26 PM »
There are killers everywhere in the world! ::)
In our industry, I can think of 4 in the 40 years Mr. Olympia has been around:
(Bertil Fox, Sally Mc Neil, Craig Titus, Gordon Kimborough).
These people lived in: St. Kitts, San Diego, Las Vegas & San Francisco.
Please list the names of the Killers that lived in Venice or LA? :-\
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« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2005, 12:38:18 PM »
You're taking an extreme example. There's no direct correlation between your examples.

More subtle is the correlation between environment and attitudes that can lead to any number of negative behaviors.

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Re: The Craig I knew.......
« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2005, 12:39:38 PM »
We are talking about Bodybuilders, where they live and what happens to them.
I guess your right, my examples dont relate to the subject matter or discussion at hand. ::)
Who's next.......... ;D

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Re: The Craig I knew.......
« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2005, 12:40:26 PM »
i hate it when they start shit like that and blame venice for their troubles.

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« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2005, 12:44:07 PM »
Agreed. 8)

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« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2005, 01:16:03 PM »
I find it funny how people on here blame LA living to the way they act or do things.  I grew up in LA and lived there for 30 years before moving here in 89'.  Theree isn't a better place to live than LA.  The opportunities are everywhere to make money there.  You are literally just 2 hours away in any direction from everything you'll need to recreation and fun.  The ocean, desert, mountains, Mexico, amusement parks, zoos, everything.  Yes it has it's bad places but so does everywhere else in the world.  I just never got into those things.  Venice back in the 70's and early 80's was awesome to go to.  I grew up in Manhattan Beach and is was awesome.  I was very sheltered as a kid.  It is amazing the things I never knew about growing up.  I mean I never seen a samoan or heard of them until 2 years out of high school.  I didn't know one thing about drugs.  I still really don't.  In our 7th grade sex education class me and my friends were betting who knew the real term for pussy.  We didn't know it was vagina.  Other than here the weather in LA is the best n the country.  In LA it is an everyday ocurance to see movie stars and sport heroes.  I love LA but I had to leave just because in the industry I was in I was getting tired of spending so mch time driving to interviews and going through all the stress of that industry.  I came and did an appearance in Hawaii and loced it and stayed.  But, I loved growing up n LA and wouldn't change a thing,  So quit blaming LA for anyone's problems.  Unless they gre up in East LA then go ahead and blame.  Nah.

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Re: The Craig I knew.......
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2005, 01:26:30 PM »
Environment's clearly an influence, otherwise you guys could move to Detroit next week..

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« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2005, 01:31:18 PM »
why detroit of all places?

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Re: The Craig I knew.......
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2005, 01:35:05 PM »
That's my point.

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« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2005, 01:41:33 PM »
There are killers everywhere in the world! ::)
In our industry, I can think of 4 in the 40 years Mr. Olympia has been around:
(Bertil Fox, Sally Mc Neil, Craig Titus, Gordon Kimborough).
These people lived in: St. Kitts, San Diego, Las Vegas & San Francisco.
Please list the names of the Killers that lived in Venice or LA? :-\
Peace,
S. Ray

Correction:

It's Oceanside...which is in San Diego County

 ;)

Don't muddy San Diego's name yo!


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Re: The Craig I knew.......
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2005, 05:38:19 PM »
I stand corrected, my bad. :'(

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« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2005, 06:02:34 PM »
Outside of being found in the trunk of a burned Jaguar, are most OD victims found with a noose around their neck and duck tape on their mouths Ron?

exactly

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« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2005, 07:22:36 PM »
Outside of being found in the trunk of a burned Jaguar, are most OD victims found with a noose around their neck and duck tape on their mouths Ron?

There is no evidence of an actual noose being found around Melissa's neck. There were some sort of rope or cloth like fibers that were found. The only time that I heard of a noose was from a news report and we all know how credible they are.

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« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2005, 09:40:49 PM »
There is no evidence of an actual noose being found around Melissa's neck. There were some sort of rope or cloth like fibers that were found. The only time that I heard of a noose was from a news report and we all know how credible they are.

The only time that I heard of a noose was from a news report and we all know how credible they are.

 :D

ALL of this came from the news - the entire incident! Lets pick and choose now what we want to believe and what we don't.

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« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2005, 09:57:38 PM »
:D

ALL of this came from the news - the entire incident! Lets pick and choose now what we want to believe and what we don't.

Not all, the first part was not on the news.

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Re: The Craig I knew.......
« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2005, 10:12:04 PM »


you said................

The only time that I heard of a noose was from a news report and we all know how credible they are.

 ???

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« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2005, 10:15:23 PM »
i read a ligation around the neck only

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« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2005, 10:17:56 PM »
there have been several reports, none of us have seen them all but.............

"On Dec. 14, before 5 a.m., a trucker saw the Jaguar ablaze. In the trunk, authorities found a body with white fabric around its neck and duct tape across the face.

An autopsy revealed that James had likely died from asphyxiation. "

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Dec-23-Fri-2005/news/5034653.html

I don't know the exact definition of a "noose" but when you're this close does it matter?

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« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2005, 10:32:45 PM »
there have been several reports, none of us have seen them all but.............

"On Dec. 14, before 5 a.m., a trucker saw the Jaguar ablaze. In the trunk, authorities found a body with white fabric around its neck and duct tape across the face.

An autopsy revealed that James had likely died from asphyxiation. "

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Dec-23-Fri-2005/news/5034653.html

I don't know the exact definition of a "noose" but when you're this close does it matter?


It matters because when a noose is mentioned most people will assume it was a hangmans noose and she was not hung. It is misleading.

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Re: The Craig I knew.......
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2005, 10:51:49 PM »
85-90% of your personality is formed by ag 14 according to most pyschologists. 


although 10 percent is still a lot
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Re: The Craig I knew.......
« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2005, 11:52:39 PM »
Correction:

It's Oceanside...


Which explains Geo.
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Re: The Craig I knew.......
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2005, 01:17:52 AM »
Outside of being found in the trunk of a burned Jaguar, are most OD victims found with a noose around their neck and duck tape on their mouths Ron?

            If she was overdosing, they might have taped the mouth to hold in possible vomit.

As for the noose, I heard about 2 ex cons who were doing drugs with one their girlfriends. Well the girl started to OD. Rather than call 911 and get her help, they supposedly finished the job by choking her to death. They didn't want to risk getting into trouble for drug possesion, or for possible murder if she died in an ambulance or hospital. And they didn't want to just leave her, in case she pulled through and didn't die, where she could then tell people what happened. They didn't want to go back to jail, as they were both on parole I believe. So they just killed her and got rid of the body. I don't know how, or even if this really happened, as someone told me all this, and he is of questionable character. But something like this could have happened in this case.
   
          If she was overdosing, maybe Titus would do the same kind of thing, to avoid another charge on drugs, or worse if she died. Maybe Kelly was there too, and they figured if she might die anyway, one of them just grabbed a curtain and finished the job. They might have taped the mouth shut first while they thought what to do, so she couldn't make as much noise and have an adjoining room call security.

          Who knows what really happened. I tend to believe the theory posted before about them having rough sex, and MJ was purposely being choked. Only it went to far, and they taped and tied her to make it look like a possible kidnapping.
          Or Kelly was there alone with her, doing drugs or just talking. When she turned her back on Kelly for a minute, Kelly grabbed some kind of strap or piece of white material, and choked her out from behind. Thus the fact that Kelly didn't have any marks on her from a struggle. I am sure if she caught Melissa of guard, Kelly would be more than strong enough to choke her to death.

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Re: The Craig I knew.......
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2005, 05:08:53 AM »
It matters because when a noose is mentioned most people will assume it was a hangmans noose and she was not hung. It is misleading.

If you're HUNG your neck is broken. There are no reports of this.

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Re: The Craig I knew.......
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2005, 05:17:14 AM »
If you're HUNG your neck is broken. There are no reports of this.
Good point as that's usually the cause of death in a hanging. Not all the time but most of it.....