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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2013, 08:24:01 PM »

You're absolutely right a crime is a crime, murder is murder and it should be condemned whether it's 60 people in Kenya or hundred thousand in somalia... or 2 million in the middle-east. Whether it's gunman in a mall or UAVs in Somalia and Yemen, whether it's F16s in Iraq or Libya.

Likewise Americans should be held to as much of a high standard as well as the Kenyans for their invasions and murder hundreds of thousands or in the case of the United States more than two million people.

Condemn the radical secularist and democracy spreading nutbags too when you get the chance and don't only get excited if some mozzzlems commit a crime.

Islam does not teach killing of innocent people nor singling out Christians to be executed in fact the contrary is true, Allah (swt) instructs us to protect not kill the people of the book. What some individuals do, they are doing out of political retaliation for the actions perpetrated by governments and that should be made crystal clear so that morons don't come on here and make "Muslims being Muslims" islamophobe statements. Ron is letting you state crap like that all the time and you get away with it.

It's wrong no matter what the situation.

How does America justify 2+ million deaths for less than 3000 on 911?

Did Iraqis cause 911? Did Libya cause 911? Did Somalia cause 911? Did Pakistan cause 911 too? Did the children of Afghanistan cause 911?

Think of all the radical secularists who plot day and night how to kill Muslims in their own lands and impose secular dictatorships. It's happening day and night and the media is too busy spoon feeding you about the 'threat of mozzlems' when in fact who is the one starting and waging all the wars of the world and destroying countless countries. Who is the one responsible for destroying the world's economics? Mozzlems? Who caused the economic collapse in the United States? Mozzlems again?

Maybe if you weren't as busy starting so many wars your country wouldn't be in as much economic turmoil.

Condemn the millions of deaths caused by American lies and radical secularism while you're at condemning the death of 60 people in a mall by some mooozzliim gunmen thugs.
the intentional targeting of innocent men, women and children is hardly comparable to killing enemy combatants. Im not condoning collateral damage but to say that b/c innocent civilians are killed in part b/c muslim terrorist stage around innocent people to increase collateral damage is the same as targeting innocent civilians is just fucking ignorant.
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2013, 09:52:16 PM »

Kenya went into Somalia because tourist were being kidnapped and held ransom in the North.
Kenya's incursion was a "reaction" not and "action"
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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2013, 12:53:49 AM »

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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2013, 06:22:51 AM »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2428875/Terror-Kenya-Survivors-reveal-gunman-executed-non-Muslims.html



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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2013, 07:16:35 AM »

Americans indiscriminately kill everyone wherever they invade. What else does one need to say?

You dont get it. This is killing based on religion. Kind of like Hitler.

Did Kenyans ask who they were killing when they invaded Somalia? No they just went in and started shooting with the blessings, training, arming and financial support of the United States

Evil is evil, and crimes are crimes, but it seems Americans have clean hands for their mass murders all the time?

It seems you only care about murder when some Muslim commits a crime, but if Kenyans commit a crime who may be atheists or Christians, then turn a blind eye. If Americas commit murder on a genocidal level (millions of deaths) no one speaks a peep? Turn a blind eye as well. Not to mention always ignore the prescedent. Somalis didn't invade Kenya or Ethiopia, Kenyans and Ethiopians invaded Somalia and caused mass bloodshed and installed a puppet dictatorship.

Shit does't 'just happen' aka "they hate us for our freedoms" type ignorance, it happens for a specific reason. In case of Kenya they want profits from their drug trade, the US has political, strategic and economic interests (prevent Somalia being ruled by Islam, prevent Chinese interests, horn of Africa a strategic point, etc... etc...) Greed and profits is what Kenya and America care about.

The media doesn't talk about mass murder committed by kenyan and ethiopian troops, it focuses on the opposition and sensationalizes and turns into propaganda incidents like this to the benefit of the political interests of the united states.
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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2013, 11:47:34 AM »



Is that you, a_ahmed?
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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2013, 12:03:23 PM »

Americans indiscriminately kill everyone wherever they invade. What else does one need to say?

How do you feel about killing based on religion? That if you are non muslem you deserve to be killed. Is that your position Huh


Did Kenyans ask who they were killing when they invaded Somalia? No they just went in and started shooting with the blessings, training, arming and financial support of the United States

Evil is evil, and crimes are crimes, but it seems Americans have clean hands for their mass murders all the time?

It seems you only care about murder when some Muslim commits a crime, but if Kenyans commit a crime who may be atheists or Christians, then turn a blind eye. If Americas commit murder on a genocidal level (millions of deaths) no one speaks a peep? Turn a blind eye as well. Not to mention always ignore the prescedent. Somalis didn't invade Kenya or Ethiopia, Kenyans and Ethiopians invaded Somalia and caused mass bloodshed and installed a puppet dictatorship.

Shit does't 'just happen' aka "they hate us for our freedoms" type ignorance, it happens for a specific reason. In case of Kenya they want profits from their drug trade, the US has political, strategic and economic interests (prevent Somalia being ruled by Islam, prevent Chinese interests, horn of Africa a strategic point, etc... etc...) Greed and profits is what Kenya and America care about.

The media doesn't talk about mass murder committed by kenyan and ethiopian troops, it focuses on the opposition and sensationalizes and turns into propaganda incidents like this to the benefit of the political interests of the united states.
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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2013, 12:54:00 PM »

How can this be?  The president assured the American people that Al Qaeda has been decimated and "is on the run." 
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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2013, 01:05:21 PM »

How can this be?  The president assured the American people that Al Qaeda has been decimated and "is on the run." 

That is what the lemmings tried to sell.  They lied
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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2013, 05:06:41 PM »

Kenya went into Somalia with the US' blessing first, so you don't need to go into Kenya you're already there.

Somalia has not had a central government for two decades.  It has no national policy because there is no national government.  What you have are tribal leaders and warlords, who have been attacking Kenya for a very long time. 

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The reason these groups attack places like that is because of their political meddling not because of religion. It's the same everywhere around the world. Even suicide bombings, who started it and why? The qur'an teaches us against suicide but people do it out of political tension and desperation when their voices are not being heard and they are being oppressed they turn to violence as the last resort.

How can you say that the attack was "not because of religion" when al-Shabab explicitly excluded Muslims from their massacre?

And yes, tell us who started the suicide bombings now perpetrated by Muslims.  Very interested in your answer.

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Apparently "Israeli advisors on the ground" are helping Kenyans in this 'situation'.

Israel is there because they have a lot of experience with Muslim hostage-taking.

Israel was also in Thailand to assist with the aftermath of the tsunami and in Japan to help rescue victims of the Tohoku earthquake, as were many other countries.

What is your point?

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Chances are if the Kenyan troops did not invade and install a puppet regime with Ethiopia through US proxy warfare, shit like this wouldn't be happening to innoscent people as it's happening to innoscent people in Somalia at the hands of Ethiopian and Kenyan troops backed with the blessing of the United States of America.

"Chances are?"  So you admit you are speculating without evidence.  Beyond that, the US does not target innocent people.  Muslim terrorists do.  I do not think there is much debate on that.  For example, the US and its allies warned the Taliban (who governed Afghanistan at the time) to give up Bin Laden or face massive force to neutralize the terrorist activities originating in that country.  An attack occurred when they refused.

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What's in it for Kenya? Money, the flow of drugs from Kenya to Somalia and Yemen which Islamic groups banned under their rule but US backed puppet regimes allow yet again. Loads and loads of drugs.

Maybe some Islamic groups banned drugs, but many Muslims are involved in the drug trade. Especially the Taliban.  They simply took control of it in Afghanistan, and once they were flushed out of that country, are now planting poppies in Pakistan.

Take a look at this (one of many reports on it):

http://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/resources/taliban_opium_1.pdf
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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2013, 05:45:43 PM »

Americans indiscriminately kill everyone wherever they invade. What else does one need to say

"Americans indiscriminately kill everyone wherever they invade?"  Is that why Sgt. Robert Bales was sentenced to life in prison by a US military court for killing Afghan civilians?

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Did Kenyans ask who they were killing when they invaded Somalia? No they just went in and started shooting with the blessings, training, arming and financial support of the United States

And the evidence for this is what?  Kindly put up or shut up.

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Evil is evil, and crimes are crimes, but it seems Americans have clean hands for their mass murders all the time?

See the above point about Bales.  

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It seems you only care about murder when some Muslim commits a crime, but if Kenyans commit a crime who may be atheists or Christians, then turn a blind eye. If Americas commit murder on a genocidal level (millions of deaths) no one speaks a peep? Turn a blind eye as well. Not to mention always ignore the prescedent. Somalis didn't invade Kenya or Ethiopia, Kenyans and Ethiopians invaded Somalia and caused mass bloodshed and installed a puppet dictatorship.


So in the US we don't prosecute non-Muslim killers?  And how about Clinton's intervention in Bosnia, where Muslims were being slaughtered by Serbian extremists, who happened to be Christian?

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Shit does't 'just happen' aka "they hate us for our freedoms" type ignorance, it happens for a specific reason. In case of Kenya they want profits from their drug trade, the US has political, strategic and economic interests (prevent Somalia being ruled by Islam, prevent Chinese interests, horn of Africa a strategic point, etc... etc...) Greed and profits is what Kenya and America care about.


Please provide proof for your statements.  And the intentional murder of innocent people is not acceptable for any "specific reason."

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The media doesn't talk about mass murder committed by kenyan and ethiopian troops, it focuses on the opposition and sensationalizes and turns into propaganda incidents like this to the benefit of the political interests of the united states.

So the murderers in that mall were the "opposition" to mass murder committed by Kenyan and Ethiopian troops, supported by the US? It appears from your point of view that killing innocent people by Muslim terrorists is always a result of something that the dastardly, corrupt Western countries do.

Why not leave this awful country (the USA) and settle in a more enlightened society, like Saudi Arabia?
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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2013, 08:17:42 PM »

Off topic but you're wrong:

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html

On the other hand conterversies like the iran-contra scandal showcase otherwise what the US does. The US is the benefactor of the opium trade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking
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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2013, 09:01:03 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2013, 10:35:04 PM »


No, I am not wrong.  In 2001 some opium fields were destroyed under an order from a powerful local leader.  Not all of them, and by 2011 opium production reached a new high point.  It is well known that the 2001 event was an outlier, and done to make an impression on the West.  If you don't want to read the report I referenced, perhaps this Guardian article is more accessible for you - but please read the whole thing this time:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/25/afghanistan.terrorism8


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On the other hand conterversies like the iran-contra scandal showcase otherwise what the US does. The US is the benefactor of the opium trade.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

I don't see how these allegations - almost all of which are disputed - means that "the US is the benefactor of the opium trade" (whatever that means).  Cocaine is referenced, and if the allegations are true, the CIA either looked the other way in order to catch bigger fish, or else there was rogue activity.  If true, this rogue activity was not official US policy.
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2013, 03:12:33 PM »

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