Nice article on the blame for the shutdown.

[Roger Bacon]

Arent republicans pissing on the constitution when they refuse to vote/pass on the budget because of a law alreadyin place?

I don't think they're doing anything wrong.  The Republicans aren't simply refusing to pass anything for no reason, they just can't come to an agreement.  The Democrats are just as guilty.

I'm kind of relieved to see it's not just business as usual, where both parties conspire to screw us over together.    

[whork]

I don't think they're doing anything wrong.  The Republicans aren't simply refusing to pass anything for no reason, they just can't come to an agreement.  The Democrats are just as guilty.

I'm kind of relieved to see it's not just business as usual, where both parties conspire to screw us over together.    

The republicans are refusing to pass anything unless Obamacare is postphoned 100 days, right or wrong?

[Roger Bacon]

The republicans are refusing to pass anything unless Obamacare is postphoned 100 days, right or wrong?

Big business has been given a one year exemption, Republicans are asking for the same treatment for everyday Americans.

The Democrats won't compromise though. 

[whork]

Big business has been given a one year exemption, Republicans are asking for the same treatment for everyday Americans.

The Democrats won't compromise though.  

And what do you think will happen when the 100 days have gone by?

Do you think its okay to shutdown the govern and killing jobs and the economy because you dont like a piece of legislation?

Lets say the dem shutdown the government because they felt the gun laws was to loose? You would be cool with that right?

[Roger Bacon]

Do you think its okay to shutdown the govern and killing jobs and the economy because you dont like a piece of legislation?

I don't know, the Democrats don't seem very concerned with what they've done.  They're even trying to shut down things that aren't controlled or funded by the Federal Government.

[Roger Bacon]

The people who voted for Obama may have asked for affordable healthcare, but not this unconstitutional abomination.

Only winners here are big government and insurance companies.

[whork]

I don't know, the Democrats don't seem very concerned with what they've done.  They're even trying to shut down things that aren't controlled or funded by the Federal Government.

Do you work for the GOP Roger?

Its the GOP who refuse to vote on a budget, so WTF are you talking about?

[whork]

The people who voted for Obama may have asked for affordable healthcare, but not this unconstitutional abomination.

Only winners here are big government and insurance companies.

The supreme court says its constitutional.

Dont you think the millions who will not be denied healthcare from now on is winners here?

[tonymctones]

Do you think its okay to shutdown the govern and killing jobs and the economy because you dont like a piece of legislation?

so let me get this right, you think its ok to pass obamacare which has hindered the economy and killed more jobs than this shutdown ever will but you think its wrong to do this?

you also think that obama and dems hold no blame with their "no negotiation" stance?

LMFAO only a liberal foreigner could be that stupid, our liberals arent even that stupid.....

[Necrosis]

so let me get this right, you think its ok to pass obamacare which has hindered the economy and killed more jobs than this shutdown ever will but you think its wrong to do this?

you also think that obama and dems hold no blame with their "no negotiation" stance?

LMFAO only a liberal foreigner could be that stupid, our liberals arent even that stupid.....

This is not the time to negotiate, nor is this an acceptable manner in which to force negotiations on something that has passed repeal 41 times.

Also, you are a moron, there is no evidence that this will effect business, nor do we know the economic issues it may caused because no one knows at this point, it's a novel experiment in US history.

Provide facts or shut the fuck up, 97% of Businesses are exempt.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamacare-wont-be-a-job-killing-catastrophe/2013/10/05/95c34b46-2aec-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html?tid=rssfeed

Job killer? what the fuck are you talking about, there is no evidence besides your made up fantasy that corroborates this. Why don't you pretend to know about something less damaging to others, like aliens or astrology, because like bell curves simple facts are over your head, you are the inverse image of the mean, average amongst the stupid.

[tonymctones]

This is not the time to negotiate, nor is this an acceptable manner in which to force negotiations on something that has passed repeal 41 times.

Also, you are a moron, there is no evidence that this will effect business, nor do we know the economic issues it may caused because no one knows at this point, it's a novel experiment in US history.

Provide facts or shut the fuck up, 97% of Businesses are exempt.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamacare-wont-be-a-job-killing-catastrophe/2013/10/05/95c34b46-2aec-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html?tid=rssfeed

Job killer? what the fuck are you talking about, there is no evidence besides your made up fantasy that corroborates this. Why don't you pretend to know about something less damaging to others, like aliens or astrology, because like bell curves simple facts are over your head, you are the inverse image of the mean, average amongst the stupid.

actually there is plenty of evidence it will effect businesses you foreign moron, there are plenty of businesses citing obamacare specifically for cut backs in hours and lay offs.

Do some google searches, or do they not allow that information up there in canada?

I can agree that this is not an acceptable manner to force negotiations, BUT WE ARE HERE and if there is a default the dems are to be held as accountable as the reps for letting it happen.

[Necrosis]

actually there is plenty of evidence it will effect businesses you foreign moron, there are plenty of businesses citing obamacare specifically for cut backs in hours and lay offs.

Do some google searches, or do they not allow that information up there in canada?

I can agree that this is not an acceptable manner to force negotiations, BUT WE ARE HERE and if there is a default the dems are to be held as accountable as the reps for letting it happen.

Show me the evidence moron, saying there is evidence doesn't prove anything, it just makes you look like you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.  Evidence, evidence, evidence for your claims. So the 3% of businesses it will effect, the ones who already provide healthcare for the most part are going to suffer huge huh?

You play this game where you entice others to prove your point because you are too stupid to do it yourself, then abscond like a little fruitcake when backed into a corner.

Go drink some more you hot mess

[tonymctones]

Show me the evidence moron, saying there is evidence doesn't prove anything, it just makes you look like you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.  Evidence, evidence, evidence for your claims. So the 3% of businesses it will effect, the ones who already provide healthcare for the most part are going to suffer huge huh?

You play this game where you entice others to prove your point because you are too stupid to do it yourself, then abscond like a little fruitcake when backed into a corner.

Go drink some more you hot mess

LMFAO I dont play a game, I make statements that are easily verfiable and encourage others to google them as I have to find the proof.

Its obvious you arent even considering the evidence against your point of view bc you wont even do a 2 second google search .

LMFAO hahahah you think Im an alcoholic or something?

[whork]

so let me get this right, you think its ok to pass obamacare which has hindered the economy and killed more jobs than this shutdown ever will but you think its wrong to do this?

you also think that obama and dems hold no blame with their "no negotiation" stance?

LMFAO only a liberal foreigner could be that stupid, our liberals arent even that stupid.....

Obamacare is not even in effect how can it kill jobs?


To our Mods:

I thought you were supposed to back up your posts with sources and/or links but Tony always gets a pass.
Why is that?

[Necrosis]

LMFAO I dont play a game, I make statements that are easily verfiable and encourage others to google them as I have to find the proof.

Its obvious you arent even considering the evidence against your point of view bc you wont even do a 2 second google search .

LMFAO hahahah you think Im an alcoholic or something?

I won't do your work for you moron, no one argues like this. You want me to prove your point, in a debate the other side doesn't speak for both sides. You are assuming what you say is true and then tell me to find the evidence. Meanwhile the thing hasn't even begun and it's a bigger job killer then the 800k jobs lost by the shutdown right? you fucking imbecile, there is literally no comparison.

Maybe god did it?

[tonymctones]

I won't do your work for you moron, no one argues like this. You want me to prove your point, in a debate the other side doesn't speak for both sides. You are assuming what you say is true and then tell me to find the evidence. Meanwhile the thing hasn't even begun and it's a bigger job killer then the 800k jobs lost by the shutdown right? you fucking imbecile, there is literally no comparison.

Maybe god did it?

I am not asking you to speak dumb ass, I am telling you to seek the truth...something you should do anyway!!!

the 800k are temporary losses and will be back to work in weeks at most, not saying this is right either but its comparing apples to oranges.

[RRKore]

The blame is self evident

one faction of one party in one branch of government can't get what they want through the normal democratic process so they have decided to hold the entire country hostage

Even more simply put, I like this comparison:

A married couple are arguing over how much to spend on the family's next car. One spouse says, "We should spend X." The other spouse says "No, we should spend Y, and if you don't agree, I won't make the mortgage payments -- or let you make them either -- until you give in."

[RRKore]

so let me get this right, you think its ok to pass obamacare which has hindered the economy and killed more jobs than this shutdown ever will but you think its wrong to do this?

you also think that obama and dems hold no blame with their "no negotiation" stance?

LMFAO only a liberal foreigner could be that stupid, our liberals arent even that stupid.....

It is better than "OK" to pass ACA.  It's long past due that the USA is joins every other 1st world country (with the exception of...Belarus, haha) by instituting some sort of universal healthcare.

BTW, let's see your links about the number of jobs that will be killed because that aspect of ACA has been exaggerated.  Here's a good link to support my position:

The myth about job-killing Obamacare
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamacare-wont-be-a-job-killing-catastrophe/2013/10/05/95c34b46-2aec-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html

[Soul Crusher]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/04/blue-ridge-parkway-pisgah-inn/2923169

This is why this govt is worthless wasteful garbage. 

[24KT]

I don't think they're doing anything wrong.  The Republicans aren't simply refusing to pass anything for no reason, they just can't come to an agreement.  The Democrats are just as guilty.

I'm kind of relieved to see it's not just business as usual, where both parties conspire to screw us over together.    

That's EXACTLY what's going on... check out the proposed cuts to Social Security & Medicare.

It's all one giant smokescreen. If Republicans really wanted budget cuts... they'd go for all the provisions in that bill that simply line the pockets of the insurance companies. No... instead the proposed compromise is on social security & Medicare, ...those are the negotiating points?!

No money for Americans at home, ...but tons of cash for useless, unnecessary wars that destroy lives, and endless tax payer debt to rebuild the infrastructures in the countries they destroy, ...while Americans starve in the streets...

You wanna know when the budget will pass, ...I'll tell ya, ...it's when all those government workers tasked with keeping the politicians safe, decide to walk off the job.

[24KT]

The people who voted for Obama may have asked for affordable healthcare, but not this unconstitutional abomination.

Only winners here are big government and insurance companies.

IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH THIS!!!!
...and I was one of the ones so looking forward to seeing Universal Healthcare become part of American life.
But like Roger said that thing is an abomination. 

[Soul Crusher]

IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH THIS!!!!
...and I was one of the ones so looking forward to seeing Universal Healthcare become part of American life.
But like Roger said that thing is an abomination. 

You mean its an Obamination right?   

[24KT]

You mean its an Obamination right?   

Actually, from my perspective looking down on the lot of you miscreants, it's more like an ObamaNation! 

[Necrosis]

I am not asking you to speak dumb ass, I am telling you to seek the truth...something you should do anyway!!!

the 800k are temporary losses and will be back to work in weeks at most, not saying this is right either but its comparing apples to oranges.

Thanks for telling me to seek the truth, thank god you are here to be the arbitrator of it. From now on I will assume you speak only the truth and agree with everything.

Potentially temporary losses, default will cause anarchy, the great recession will start again. However, the issue as I see it is that the world is in a worst place then it was previous to the GR and thus the effects will be that much more impactful.

[Necrosis]

IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH THIS!!!!
...and I was one of the ones so looking forward to seeing Universal Healthcare become part of American life.
But like Roger said that thing is an abomination. 

Sorry what about this is an abomination. Seriously, win me over to your viewpoint.

I have heard fines etc, but that's pointless as it an artifact of the type of healthcare your striving for. The fine is as low as 95 bucks for poor families, yet they will receive some healthcare, therefore that's not an issue in my mind. Asking for exemptions personally seems unreasonable as it's universal and thus encompasses everyone.

The mandates are certainly required , or it wouldn't work period.