Just when you thought deca was safe

[flinstones1]

 -Chronic exposure to the AAS ND in supra-physiological doses is associated with learning and memory impairments17, including neuronal plasticity.18 Unfortunately exercise does not improve the cognitive impairment.1 However, growth hormone (GH) used in adjuct with ND has been shown to improve and even reverse certain negative effects on memory.2 Erythropoietin (EPO) may also be useful as a neuroprotective agent in brain injury caused by AAS/ND abuse.3

 -Due to the neurochemical changes from ND usage, the rewarding properties of cocaine on the brain may be reversed or have no effect. 12

 -ND produces an accelerated clot development and an increased clot firmness which leads to stroke. If we supplement with sufficient amounts of Taurine daily, we can partially restore the altered parameters of the coagulation profile. 4

 -ND upregulates aromatase expression, making AIs mandatory as there will be far more conversion of testosterone to estrogen. One can hypothesize that the ND "bloat" may actually be largely due to increased estrogen levels indirectly caused by the ND.5

 -ND may also impair cardiac tissue remodeling, which may in the long term lead to heart malfunction. 7 Cardiac hypertrophy with ND is certain. 10,14

 -ND seems to down-regulate the stress-induced hormonal cascade. 8 This is rather fascinating to imagine the full implications of these findings. One who is undergoing ND treatment will not react to stress (any variety) in the same way, they should feel almost no effects from the stress. This may also give support for the use of ND when dieting, as the body would be undergoing tremendous stress at caloric deficit, ND could mitigate negative effects such as catabolism on multiple pathways.

 -ND seems to be genotoxic (cause DNA damage, which can in time lead to cancer) to at least the leukocytes, liver, bone marrow, brain and testicle cells. 11

 -ND seems to weaken the immune system causing increased mortality after septic shock. Significant infection is also possible via injection of contaminated AAS, pairing this with ND abuse may prove potentially fatal. 13

[a_ahmed]

So maybe that's why some (not all) body-builders are braintarded.

[Borracho]

And here I was, planning high dose deca/low test for the new year 

[madg]

Deca owns,i will stil use it 

Plz guys if i become retard be nice to me 

Respect

Madg

[kushtestgrowth]

That's just nandrolones? (Npp) also

Fuck this man sticking to test tren and gh wtf.  Fuck it I might even throw some eq in the mix even tho I like fucking lol. 

[galeniko]

tren is similiar in structre to deca.

wow those effects, wow, i dont knwo which one to classify as worst,they all horrific

[kushtestgrowth]

tren is similiar in structre to deca.

wow those effects, wow, i dont knwo which one to classify as worst,they all horrific
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Don't care tren is coming with me
To the grave.

[theworm]

That's just nandrolones? (Npp) also

Fuck this man sticking to test tren and gh wtf.  Fuck it I might even throw some eq in the mix even tho I like fucking lol. 

Yeah but look at GH, increased cancer risk, diabetes, increased lymphoma in kids treated with GH on and on

[OTHstrong]

how many people do we actually know who've suffered from the effects listed?


anybody?


I don't know of anybody.

propaganda at its finest, we have another GOOGLE KING here just like tbomz a few years back

[a_ahmed]

how many people do we actually know who've suffered from the effects listed?


anybody?


I don't know of anybody.

It may not affect many, but I am pretty sure nandrolone has killed too many braincells for some brainless bodybuilders, or maybe they were just brainless to begin with  Grew muscle, but not them brains 

[Christo]

how many people do we actually know who've suffered from the effects listed?


anybody?


I don't know of anybody.

I think nobody can link directly cause and illness due to AAS/HGH but it doesnt mean it is not existing.

[Borracho]

I think nobody can link directly cause and illness due to AAS/HGH but it doesnt mean it is not existing.

I think all aas would come with their attached side effects that are not well known, apart from the cosmetic and the ones that come up on blood panel tests.

[Christo]

I think all aas would come with their attached side effects that are not well known, apart from the cosmetic and the ones that come up on blood panel tests.

Yep

[tstmaniac]

I think nobody can link directly cause and illness due to AAS/HGH but it doesnt mean it is not existing.

That's how aas abusers justify their use

[galeniko]

Yeah but look at GH, increased cancer risk, diabetes, increased lymphoma in kids treated with GH on and on

yeah im reading an excellent book by a nutrionist professor on this and many similiar matters, fuckme, gh and igf and even too much natural insulin levels are the devil.

yeah, things like cancer can eventualy happen.

much much depends on diet and exercise,though, but the book is a gold mine.

all the problems start with little bit insulin resistency.and things go to the shitter from there.

[trapz101]

okay so no more deca dick,now it's deca retard

[galeniko]

whats the source for these claims btw?

[theworm]

You can google it.  The cancer thing was done in rats and it "seemed" to alter the DNA, not much evidence in my eyes...

[theworm]

People have been using high dose deca for decades, if it was that "bad" it would have become more evident over the past 40-50 years.

Shit, more people die from Tylenol than any other medicine combined. 

[OTHstrong]

People have been using high dose deca for decades, if it was that "bad" it would have become more evident over the past 40-50 years.

Shit, more people die from Tylenol than any other medicine combined. 

bingo excellent post^^^

[Borracho]

okay so no more deca dick,now it's deca retard

LMAO

[OTHstrong]

the truth of the matter is you can find connections between any substance and any illness if you tried hard enough.

The second people realize this the second they will stop relying on  written data by outsiders of the field and take more valuable information from real life experience,

I read a study that was very old, maybe 70's by real doctors and biologist, guys with PhDs that claimed steroids do not build muscle, go figure.

Connections can be found by any 2 things in studies, conclusions can be almost anything they want it too be.

[polychronopolous]

Sometimes I just wish I could live in one of those bubbles and never have to come to grips with any of this bullshit.

[Borracho]

we don't need to 'justify' anything.

and 'justify' to whom? ourselves? others? you? like you matter. lol...

check out his name bro....I think he's one of us. "testosterone maniac"  

[Borracho]

comes off in that post like a 'natural crusader'... hollier-than-thou and stuff.

yeah true came off that way but checked him out he's gtg.