exactly
and when the face is bloated, chances go down the toilet at dramatic percentage.
and some might delude themselves and underestimate womens knowledge, but they have the instinct, if they are into musclemen,not monsters, but something my build, it has to be quite quite lean,they dont know bodyfat% but the instinctively know what they want.
as soon the fat level gets bit high,ie fatty chest etc, its game over.
those guys in the video posted are all shredded,or close to that.
but more than anything else, the face will simply look better when leaner.
the issue is, you dont walk round in the crab most muscular pose or pumped and flexing, it must look lean while standing there relaxed(truly,not stage relaxed),or while walkng around.and to be like that,must be lean,period.
even small accumulations of fat(thats that regular cheat meal here and there)on otherwise lean body will look like somethings off.
they dont have the words for it,they dont know the bbuilding lingo, but they have eyes to see and brain to think.
and without charme, all goes down the shitter either way

must pull it of with true confidence, no insecure ils parading
that is if one wants to go the muscle route and is for those women who like muscle first and foremost.
theres planty women who dont give a shit about muscle,ofc.6f4 with good face skinny guy will take it all