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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #850 on: November 05, 2015, 11:40:48 AM »
11 Reasons Marco Rubio Is Rising So Fast

Image: 11 Reasons Marco Rubio Is Rising So Fast  Republican presidential candidate, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida, speaks at the Growth and Opportunity Party, at the Iowa State Fair in Des Moines, Iowa, on Saturday, October 31, 2015. (Steve Pope/Getty Images)
By Nick Sanchez 
Thursday, 05 Nov 2015

Marco Rubio, the 44-year-old U.S. senator from Florida, rose to third place in the Republican presidential primary race this week, making him the top-polling candidate with experience in an elected-office.

As Rubio seeks to overtake Ben Carson and Donald Trump — the so-called "outsider" candidates — Newsmax has gathered below 11 reasons why he has a good chance of doing so.

 1. He KO'd Jeb Bush in the debate — Rubio has turned in solid performances at all three Republican primary debates, but his shining moment came during last week's debate in Colorado, when he deflected an attack from his one-time mentor, Jeb Bush, and hit back with a knockout punch. Bush went after Rubio's senatorial attendance record, telling him, "you should be showing up to work." In response, Rubio said, "You know how many votes John McCain missed when he was carrying out that furious comeback that you're now modeling [your campaign] after? . . . I don't remember you ever complaining about John McCain's vote record. The only reason why you're doing it now is because we're running for the same position, and someone has convinced you that attacking me is going to help you."

 2. He fights back against the liberal mainstream media — During the Colorado debate, Rubio took a cue from fellow Sen. Ted Cruz in attacking the biased debate moderators rolled out by CNBC, as well as the rest of the liberal media. "I know the Democrats have the ultimate Super PAC. It's called the mainstream media," he said, winning loud applause.

 3. He's a talker and a doer — "Jeb Bush explains his debate performances by saying he’s a doer, not a talker. But how is it possible that someone operating at the highest level of American politics could go into these debates without committing to memory four or five set pieces about the core ideas of his candidacy? They’re only 60-seconds long. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio have done that. He hasn’t. He’s falling; they’re rising," said Daniel Henninger in an op-ed for The Wall Street Journal.

 4. He's seen as a real threat by other candidates — After post-debate polling showed Rubio on the rise, his rivals turned their attention toward him, throwing everything but the kitchen sink at him. "During a news conference Tuesday in Manhattan, Trump called Rubio 'overrated,' accused him of being 'a disaster with his credit cards' and attacked him as 'very weak' on immigration. At the same time, Bush . . . has disparagingly labeled Rubio as a 'GOP Obama,'" The Washington Post wrote on Monday. While attacks can hurt candidates, they can also give them free publicity. Moreover, if the attack is successfully parried — as was Bush's attack during the debate — it can backfire, and end up strengthening them.

5. He gets the pundits chattering — "Immigration hawks such as Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, and Ann Coulter appear unlikely to ever give Rubio a second chance," The Hill wrote on Wednesday. "Others, such as Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and Glenn Beck, appear enthused by Rubio’s political skills and ready to reconsider him." With Rubio's name now in the top three spots, he has the opportunity to convince his skeptics that he's the man for the job. Once the pundits are reconsidering him, so will the primary voter base. 

6. His endorsements are growing — "This week, Marco Rubio has shown signs of momentum, picking up endorsements from three fellow senators, including one today from Sen. James E. Risch of Idaho," FiveThirtyEight wrote Tuesday. "In contrast to Bush’s three endorsement points since Labor Day, Rubio has received 22 — by far the most of any Republican candidate over that span." The publication also shared a graph on Twitter to illustrate Rubio's upswing in endorsements. 

 7. Influential billionaire Paul Singer is on his side — According to The New York Times, "One of the wealthiest and most influential Republican donors in the country is throwing his support to Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, a decision that could swing millions of dollars in contributions behind Mr. Rubio at a critical point in the Republican nominating battle . . . Singer, who gave more money to Republican candidates and causes last year than any donor in the country, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, is courted by Republicans both for the depth of his own pockets and for his wide network of other conservative givers."

 8. He is young but experienced — Unlike much of the Republican field and all of the Democratic field — where the candidates are all over 65 — Rubio is seen by many as a fresh-faced candidate with the energy to lead the country for eight years. While he is young, he also has the experience, having served four terms in the Florida legislature, including as speaker of the House, majority leader, and majority whip.

 9. He embodies the American dream — While candidates like Donald Trump and Jeb Bush were born to wealthy families, Marco Rubio was born in Miami to poor Cuban parents who had fled the deadly rise of Fidel Castro. Through hard work, Rubio has risen to the top of American politics at a relatively young age, and his story resonates with a great many voters.

 10. He can win the Hispanic vote — As a Miami native who speaks fluent Spanish, Rubio stands a good chance of peeling away Hispanic voters that the Democrats have come to rely on in past elections.

 11. He is a true conservative — Rubio earned a perfect "100" rating from the American Conservative Union, and has been called the "crown prince" of the Tea Party movement by publications like The Washington Post.

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/marco-rubio-rising-fast-polls/2015/11/05/id/700719/#ixzz3qeDdPqZv

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #851 on: November 06, 2015, 05:12:49 AM »
Rubio is a lazy bum.

Rubio, 99 votes missed;
Lindsey Graham, 79;
Ted Cruz, 70;
Rand Paul, 14;
Bernie Sanders, 10;


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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #852 on: November 06, 2015, 09:07:01 AM »
I would swap Christi with Rand.  Too bad Fat Man didn't poll high enough. 

GOP candidate line-up announced for Fox Business Network/WSJ debate
Published November 06, 2015
FoxNews.com

Fox Business Network on Thursday announced the candidate line-up for the Nov. 10 Republican presidential debates.

The candidates qualifying for the prime-time, 9 p.m. ET debate are:

Billionaire businessman Donald Trump; retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson; Florida Sen. Marco Rubio; Texas Sen. Ted Cruz; former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush; former HP CEO Carly Fiorina; Ohio Gov. John Kasich; and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul.

The candidates qualifying for the earlier, 7 p.m. ET debate are:

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie; former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee; Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal; and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.

The criteria were different than for past debates. In a change, Christie and Huckabee ‎did not qualify for the prime-time event, while former New York Gov. George Pataki and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham did not qualify for either; neither did ex-Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore.

Christie brushed it off on Twitter, saying: "It doesn't matter the stage, give me a podium and I'll be there to talk about real issues."

To qualify for the prime-time debate, a candidate had to score 2.5 percent or higher in an average of the four most recent national polls. Candidates scoring under that had to receive at least 1 percent support in at least one of the four most recent national polls to qualify for the 7 p.m. debate.

The four polls used were conducted by: Fox News; Investor’s Business Daily/TIPP; Quinnipiac University; and The Wall Street Journal/NBC News.

The candidates head into the next debate at a time when Trump and Carson are battling for the lead in most polls.

While several recent state and national surveys have shown Carson climbing into the top spot, the latest Fox News poll released Wednesday showed Trump with the edge, 26-23 percent.

The next tier in that poll included just two candidates: Cruz and Rubio, with 11 percent each.

Bush, Huckabee, Kasich and Paul registered with 4 percent.

Pataki called debate organizers' reliance on national polls "a disservice to voters everywhere" and "a clear boost to the worship of celebrity over accomplishment and ideas."

"The voters — not networks driven by ratings or national polls that are statistically irrelevant — should decide our next president," he said after Fox Business Network announced the lineup.

The Fox Business Network debate, presented in partnership with The Wall Street Journal, will focus on jobs, taxes and the economy, as well as other issues. It will be held at the Milwaukee Theatre in Milwaukee, Wis.

FBN and Fox News Channel announced Thursday that cable and satellite providers have joined to make the debate available to all their subscribers.

DIRECTV, Suddenlink, Mediacom, Frontier, Wide Open West, and Cable One, and some National Cable Television Cooperative (NCTC) companies, plan to “unbundle” FBN so all subscribers can watch it during the debate. The debate can also be viewed at FoxBusiness.com and FoxNews.com.

The two debates start at 7 p.m. ET and 9 p.m. ET.

The race of late has been marked by sparring among Trump and several other candidates. Earlier this week, he challenged Carson over his readiness for office, saying “Ben can’t do the job.”

Overnight, Carson posted a lengthy defense on Facebook in response to those questioning his political inexperience.

"You are absolutely right -- I have no political experience," Carson wrote. "The current Members of Congress have a combined 8,700 years of political experience. Are we sure political experience is what we need."

He, instead, pointed to his lifetime of experience in medicine and other fields, and drew a sharp contrast between that and Trump’s business experience. In a rare jab at a primary rival, the retired pediatric neurosurgeon said he wouldn't trade his experience treating children for "Trump's money."
Trump and Rubio also have sparred in recent days, as Rubio has surged past former front-runner Bush in the polls. Trump has described Rubio’s handling of his personal finances and credit cards as a “disaster.”

Rubio, who faced ethics questions as Florida’s House speaker for using his state GOP charge card for personal reasons, has always maintained he repaid his personal expenses. Rubio answered Trump’s criticism by saying his rival “always gets weird when his poll numbers get a little down.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/06/gop-candidate-line-up-announced-for-fox-business-networkwsj-debate/?intcmp=hpbt2

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #853 on: November 06, 2015, 09:09:28 AM »
I would swap Christi with Rand.  Too bad Fat Man didn't poll high enough. 

Christie has been the most Presidential of the bunch, for the past 2 weeks.  Somber, serious, dignified and gravitas... probably too little, too late.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #854 on: November 09, 2015, 09:30:55 AM »
Christie has been the most Presidential of the bunch, for the past 2 weeks.  Somber, serious, dignified and gravitas... probably too little, too late.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #855 on: November 09, 2015, 09:36:10 AM »
Great commentary. 

Sorry, Media, You Won’t Destroy Ben Carson
by DAVID FRENCH   
November 6, 2015

Let’s begin with two propositions: There is a difference between an admirable man and a perfect man, and there is a difference between “vetting” and viciousness. The collective goal of the liberal media is now clear — to take one of America’s most admired and brilliant men and somehow transform him into a dishonest, stupid extremist. The vetting of Ben Carson has become vicious, and to what end? An admirable man has been exposed as imperfect.

The first round of attacks, focusing on Carson’s alleged extremism, failed utterly. Under fire — for claiming that it would be better if victims rushed mass shooters rather than hiding, for asserting that Hitler would have been less likely to accomplish his aims if the German people had been armed, and for comparing the debate over abortion to the debate over slavery — Carson refused to back down. A conservative public, wearily familiar with politicians kowtowing to media-generated outrage, took notice.

Rather than deal directly with Carson’s statements, the media twisted his words, scurrilously asserting that he was “blaming the victims” of school shootings and claiming that German Jews alone could have stopped the Holocaust (when he’d plainly referred to the “German people,” not just German Jews). As for the abortion–slavery comparison, even Vox noted that conservatives have been making that argument for decades. The comparison is controversial, certainly, but hardly “extreme.”

While the media no doubt still believe Carson to be extreme, they quickly learned that their attacks only increased his popularity with a PC-averse conservative public. In the midst of these fake “controversies,” he shot to the top of Republican polls, where he now (slightly) edges out Donald Trump in the RealClearPolitics average.

If he’s not extreme, is he stupid? Left-wing websites have great fun mocking Carson’s skepticism of the theory of evolution, his idle speculations regarding the purpose of the pyramids, and his thoughts on climate change and the debt limit. Yet this line of attack is fruitless. Carson may not be as fluent in public policy as the professional politicians who’ve been debating these issues for years, but his résumé is decisive evidence of his intelligence.  Carson didn’t say that he applied, only that he’d been offered a ‘full scholarship.’ How can he ‘fabricate’ a claim he never made?

If he’s not extreme or stupid, is he dishonest? Is it possible that a man known for his rags-to-riches life story, his generosity, his humility, and his deep and lasting concern for the poor has a character problem? After all, in Carson’s famous autobiography, Gifted Hands, he said that he’d been offered a “full scholarship” to West Point. Politico says that Carson now admits that story was “fabricated.” Their proof? He never applied to West Point. But Carson didn’t say that he applied, only that he’d been offered a “full scholarship.” How can he “fabricate” a claim he never made?

Carson’s campaign manager says that Carson was introduced to “folks from West Point by his ROTC supervisors. . . . They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC.” What, exactly, is the story here? If it’s simply that he should have described military officials’ expressions of enthusiasm with more precision, then this is truly a tempest in a teapot.

His account, in fact, resonates with my own experience. Many years ago I was “offered” an ROTC scholarship before I even applied. After speaking with officers familiar with my academic record, they told me I would receive a full academic scholarship, and that the application was a mere formality. My teenage self certainly took their statements as an “offer,” and I wouldn’t have applied without their word. (I filled out the forms and was formally accepted, but declined in favor of a better scholarship elsewhere.)

At the same time, CNN’s effort to call into question Carson’s story about his childhood anger issues is both weak and malicious. The network interviewed ten people from his neighborhood about 50-year-old incidents that Carson claims they never witnessed, and now peddle a story raising doubts about claims in Carson’s biography. What? Is it now the case that CNN can interview ten people about decades-old life events that didn’t happen to them and now breathlessly proclaim a “scoop.”

Hovering over the feeding frenzy is the absurd media spectacle of mainstream reporters claiming they’re merely “doing their job” by diving into 50-year-old details of Ben Carson’s childhood. The same reporters who were not just incurious about the details of Barack Obama’s background in 2008 but actively hostile to those who asked reasonable questions about his relationship with admitted domestic terrorist Bill Ayers and his years of religious instruction from Jeremiah “God Damn America” Wright.

At the end of the day, what are we left with? An admirable though imperfect man who rose from abject poverty to the pinnacle of one of the most challenging professions in the nation — all while never forgetting his roots, maintaining grace and humility even as he earned riches and honors. In fact, his life story — and his character — would make him one of the most inspiring Americans ever to occupy the Oval Office. But he’s a direct threat not just to leftist narratives regarding race and class but also to the leftist stranglehold on the black vote. And for that reason alone he must be destroyed.

A “high-tech lynching” is again underway, but if recent history is any guide, the Left’s attempt to strike down Carson will only make him stronger. The media can launch its attacks, but it cannot change the fundamental facts: Ben Carson is a good and decent man, an American hero.

— David French is an attorney and a staff writer at National Review.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426728/ben-carson-liberal-media-victim?rURzuzIX7ViiLD6t.01

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #856 on: November 09, 2015, 10:14:44 AM »
Poll: Trump, Carson in virtual tie in South Carolina
By REBECCA SHABAD CBS NEWS
November 9, 2015

Donald Trump and Ben Carson are neck and neck in the key early voting state of South Carolina, according to a Monmouth University poll released Monday.

The poll found 28 percent of likely GOP primary voters said they would back Carson while 27 percent said they would support Trump in the primary scheduled in February.

Eleven percent of likely primary voters said they would support Sen. Marco Rubio, Florida, 9 percent would back Sen. Ted Cruz, Texas, and 7 percent would support former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

A recent CBS News Battleground Tracker poll found Trump led Carson in South Carolina 40 percent to 23 percent.

None of the other 10 candidates, however, scored higher than 2 percent in the Monmouth University poll.

Since Monmouth's last poll in South Carolina from August, Carson has nearly doubled his support while Trump's support has remained relatively stable. Rubio's support has increased by 5 percentage points and support for Cruz has gone up by 4 percentage points. Meanwhile, Bush's support has dropped by 2 percentage points.

Seventeen percent of likely primary voters said they are completed decided on which candidate to vote for while 39 percent said they have a strong preference but could consider others. Twenty percent said they're completely undecided.

In a hypothetical contest that excludes Trump, Carson, Cruz and Carly Fiorina, Rubio leads the GOP pack with 32 percent support.

The survey also found Carson has improved his support across the ideological spectrum since August. He also leads Trump 33 percent to 24 percent among evangelical Christians and leads the field among voters under the age of 50 38 percent to 24 percent compared to Trump.

More than three-quarters gave Carson a favorable rating and 12 percent viewed him unfavorably. Sixty-two percent gave Rubio a favorable rating and 18 percent said they viewed him unfavorably. Fifty-eight percent gave Trump a favorable rating and 29 percent said they viewed him unfavorably.

The survey polled 401 South Carolina voters likely to vote in the GOP primary from November 5 to November 8 with a 4.9 percentage point margin of error.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-trump-carson-in-virtual-tie-in-south-carolina/

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #857 on: November 09, 2015, 03:56:48 PM »
Great commentary. 

Sorry, Media, You Won’t Destroy Ben Carson

DE,

do you think carson is still the frontrunner by thanksgiving?

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #858 on: November 09, 2015, 04:01:30 PM »
DE,

do you think carson is still the frontrunner by thanksgiving?

I have no idea.  And I don't think there is a clear frontrunner anyway. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #859 on: November 09, 2015, 04:14:06 PM »
I have no idea.  And I don't think there is a clear frontrunner anyway. 

Oh, last week, many former clinton voting Republicans were doing a dance, saying Carson had finally toppled the trump empire.

They know carson is a liar - many won't even deny it - but they just want hilary to lose so badly, they'd probably write-in "Stalin" if it meant keeping her out of the white house.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #860 on: November 09, 2015, 04:17:51 PM »
Oh, last week, many former clinton voting Republicans were doing a dance, saying Carson had finally toppled the trump empire.

They know carson is a liar - many won't even deny it - but they just want hilary to lose so badly, they'd probably write-in "Stalin" if it meant keeping her out of the white house.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #861 on: November 09, 2015, 04:32:47 PM »
attacking the messenger.  kinda like carson.  par for course.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #862 on: November 10, 2015, 09:07:49 AM »
McClatchy Poll: Carson Still Leads Trump

Image: McClatchy Poll: Carson Still Leads Trump
By Sandy Fitzgerald 
Tuesday, 10 Nov 2015

Ben Carson is leading Donald Trump by a narrow 24 to 23 percent lead, a new McClatchy/Marist poll shows, but for him, and Sens. Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, the best news may be that the more people hear about them, the more they like them.

The new poll numbers show:

Carson: 24 percent
Trump: 23 percent
Rubio: 12 percent
Cruz and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush:  8 percent.

"It's huge," Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion, which conducts the survey, said about voters' early impressions. "This is an electorate unusually attentive that's watching these debates."

Carson's likeability ratings among people who have heard more about him have climbed to 67 percent. Other winners, according to that criteria, show:

67 percent  for Carson
58 percent like Rubio,
51  percent  like Cruz.

But growing familiarity isn't playing as well for others, with lower favorability ratings for:

Trump: 44 percent
Jeb Bush: 32 percent
Carly Fiorina: 46 percent

In fact, Bush tops the category of "the more I hear, the less I like," with 58 percent, followed by Trump at 49 percent, which drove their overall favorability ratings down.

Cruz is a favorite among very conservative voters, the poll shows, gaining a 64-22 percent rating from conservatives and 66-20 percent from tea party movement voters after they'd heard more about him.

Those constituents also like Carson, even though he is doing well among all Republicans as well.

Meanwhile, Republicans said Trump has the best chance of beating a Democrat next year, but more than a third said they do not want him to get the nomination, topping the list of candidates voters definitely do not want to see on the general election ballot:

Trump, 37 percent;
Bush, 32 percent;
Fiorina, 13 percent;
Rubio and Cruz, 6 percent;
Carson, 3 percent.

However, the report said that Trump's numbers in that category may have been increased by several groups that may turn out to vote in GOP primaries when they are held, including "soft" Republicans, moderates, and non-tea party supporters.

Bush's problems started during his debate showings, according to Miringoff, when "he came with the expectation he was the smart Bush [but] that’s not what he’s showing.”

Meanwhile, the poll found Carson to be the strongest general election candidate to defeat presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, but still two percent more believed she'd win:

Clinton over Carson, 2 points;
Over Rubio by 5;
Over Bush by 8;
Over Cruz or Fiorina by 10;
Over Trump by 15.

The poll though, found voters think that Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders could lose to Carson by two percentage point but Sanders would defeat the others:

Rubio by 3;
Bush by 10;
Cruz or Trump by 12;
and Fiorina by 14.

Fiorina also fared poorly among female voters in a matchup to Clinton, the poll showed, losing women voters to her by 20 percentage points.

She'd also lose women to Rubio or Carson, by 12 points and Bush or Cruz, down by 15 points. Only Trump would lose to more women voters, at 26 percent, the poll shows.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/carson-trump-debate/2015/11/10/id/701438/#ixzz3r6pwuivw

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #863 on: November 10, 2015, 09:19:59 AM »
Still too early to evaluate effect of Carson. 

Give it another week or so

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #864 on: November 11, 2015, 10:16:04 AM »
Link to the Fox Business News Debate: 


This was a breath of fresh air after that CNBC debacle.  The moderators did a good job of asking questions about issues.  The candidates didn't act like little kids for the most part, due largely to Trump behaving himself.  Overall, most of them did a decent job. 

Some other observations:

- Rubio was the top performer again IMO.  As I’ve said earlier, with each debate I think he is separating himself from the pack as the most likely nominee.

- Cruz is very solid.  Probably the smartest man on the stage. 

- Carson was very good.  Did an outstanding giving the media smear campaign the tiny bit of attention it deserved. 

- Trump must have taken Xanax or smoked a joint or something.  He was incredibly mellow.  And again he talked without really saying anything.   

- Fiorina was good, although I think her 15 minutes are up. 

- I think Bush and Rand should have been on the undercard.  I did like Rand’s emphasis on controlling spending and he was right to press Rubio on how to pay for all spending, including military spending.  Other than that, he should quit and stay in the Senate. 

- Did not like Kaisich.  He was a bit too aggressive and sounded too much like a big government socialist at times, particularly when talking about whether we should let big banks fail. 

I think the field has effectively narrowed to:  Rubio, Cruz, Carson, and Trump.  I wouldn't write off Bush because of the money, or Fat Man just yet.  And I do not believe Trump will win. 

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« Reply #865 on: November 11, 2015, 11:00:26 AM »
it was a good debate.   Carson kept ending his answers with time on the clock.  doing as little damage to himself as possible, preparing for the slide he'll see in the next 2 weeks.

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« Reply #866 on: November 11, 2015, 03:21:34 PM »
Good report by Megyn Kelly.  Don't know how to imbed the video, but she gives a fair report of a pretty malicious smear campaign.

'Got Him This Time! ... Or Did They?': A Closer Look at the Media Attacks on Carson
Nov 11, 2015   
As seen on The Kelly File 

Megyn Kelly took a closer look at the media's attacks on Dr. Ben Carson's life story in a "Kelly File" special.

Taking us back through Carson's rise from poverty in Detroit to a renowned neurosurgeon, Kelly highlighted CNN and Politico's attempts to call his biography into question.

CNN, reporting last week that they spoke to Carson's childhood friends, suggested that Carson was not truthful when he spoke of a violent past.

The nine friends from 50 years ago could not recall Carson as being violent.

In a "Kelly File" interview last week, Carson said he once tried to stab a family member, but in his memoir, "Gifted Hands," he changed the story, instead referring to the person as a friend.

In a 1997 newspaper clipping discovered this week, his mother Sonya was found to have corroborated her son's story. 

On the heels of the CNN reports, Kelly said Politico then picked up on the "deep dive" into Carson's life story, reporting that he's been lying about once being offered a scholarship to attend West Point.

The media quickly picked up on the breaking news report Friday, declaring that Carson had made up the story.

Kelly pointed out that Politico got the headline wrong, claiming originally that Carson's campaign admitted the fabrication.

Carson has stood by his claims, saying he received a verbal offer to attend West Point, but he never accepted. He clarified that there was never an offer in writing, which he had not disclosed previously.

"Politico was then forced to change its reporting, but many in the media ignored the reversal," said Kelly.

At last night's GOP debate, Carson said he welcomes the vetting process as a presidential candidate, but has a problem with the media "lying" about him and reporting it as truth.

He declared that "people who know me know that I'm an honest person."

Watch the show open above, as Kelly goes through yet another report that Carson is disputing.
 
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/11/11/megyn-kelly-takes-closer-look-media-attacks-ben-carson

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #867 on: November 12, 2015, 04:52:57 PM »
Translation - "Carson got a lot of things wrong, but to look at them, the libs win, so let's just look past this..."

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #868 on: November 13, 2015, 09:17:18 AM »
Great response.

Carson Responds to Trump's Insults: 'Pray for Him'

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Friday, 13 Nov 2015

U.S. presidential candidate Ben Carson recommended praying for rival Donald Trump after the real-estate mogul and television personality, in a 95-minute rant in Iowa, likened him to a child molester, Carson's business manager said on Friday.

"When I spoke with Dr. Carson about this yesterday how we should respond, you know he was so sad about it. He said: "Pray for him." He feels sorry for him because he really likes Mr. Trump," Armstrong Williams, who often acts as Carson's surrogate in the media, told CNN.

"To see him just imploding before our very eyes - it's just sad to watch," Williams said.

Speaking in Iowa on Thursday evening, Trump, a leading contender for the Republican nomination in the 2016 presidential election, cast doubt on Carson's oft-reported story of lunging at someone with a hunting knife as a child, an episode that Carson says led him to his Christian faith.

"Give me a break," Trump said in a speech where he also lashed out at other Republican candidates and Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton. "How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe that crap?"

He said the incident showed Carson had a "pathological" temper.

"If you're pathological, there's no cure for that," Trump said. "If you're a child molester, there's no cure. They can't stop you."

Another Republican candidate, Carly Fiorina, sounded off on Facebook about Trump's comments early on Friday.

"Donald, sorry, I've got to interrupt again. You would know something about pathological," she wrote. "Anyone can turn a multi-million dollar inheritance into more money, but all the money in the world won't make you as smart as Ben Carson."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/carson-trump-insults-prayer/2015/11/13/id/701973/#ixzz3rOPvyrkh

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #869 on: November 13, 2015, 10:25:37 AM »
Great response.

Carson Responds to Trump's Insults: 'Pray for Him'

Carson has no answer for the accusations.  So he 1) peddles to the base with more religion and 2) attacks trump, the messenger.

Carson IS a pathological liar.  The new things about putin/college and China/Syria are outright lies.  Claiming secret buddies in the CIA told him about that - now THAT borders on something scarier in his personality.

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« Reply #870 on: November 13, 2015, 10:34:15 AM »
Trump starting to pull away from Carson in the Reuters Poll 34% to 19%

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #871 on: November 13, 2015, 11:16:12 AM »
Trump starting to pull away from Carson in the Reuters Poll 34% to 19%

Yep.  As predicted, it takes 1.5 to 2 weeks for Carson to fall based upon his lies, bizarre statements, and overall craziness. 

Some repub "experts" on getbig claimed victory because he didn't fall overnight.  It doesn't work that way.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #872 on: November 13, 2015, 01:02:26 PM »
Romney?  :o

Time for GOP panic? Establishment worried Carson or Trump might win

Trump captures the nation’s attention as he campaigns   
The presidential candidate and billionaire businessman leads the field of candidates in the Republican race.
By Philip Rucker and Robert Costa
November 13, 2015 

Less than three months before the kickoff Iowa caucuses, there is growing anxiety bordering on panic among Republican elites about the dominance and durability of Donald Trump and Ben Carson and widespread bewilderment over how to defeat them.

Party leaders and donors fear that nominating either man would have negative ramifications for the GOP ticket up and down the ballot, virtually ensuring a Hillary Rodham Clinton presidency and increasing the odds that the Senate falls into Democratic hands.

The party establishment is paralyzed. Big money is still on the sidelines. No consensus alternative to the outsiders has emerged from the pack of governors and senators running, and there is disagreement about how to prosecute the case against them. Recent focus groups of Trump supporters in Iowa and New Hampshire commissioned by rival campaigns revealed no silver bullet.

In normal times, the way forward would be obvious. The wannabes would launch concerted campaigns, including television attack ads, against the ­front-runners. But even if the other candidates had a sense of what might work this year, it is unclear whether it would ultimately accrue to their benefit. Trump’s counterpunches have been withering, while Carson’s appeal to the base is spiritual, not merely political. If someone was able to do significant damage to them, there’s no telling to whom their supporters would turn, if anyone.
 
"How stupid are the people of Iowa?" asked Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump when speaking of rival Ben Carson's popularity in the GOP race. (AP)

“The rest of the field is still wishing upon a star that Trump and Carson are going to ­self-destruct,” said Eric Fehrnstrom, a former adviser to 2012 nominee Mitt Romney. But, he said, “they have to be made to self-destruct. . . . Nothing has happened at this point to dislodge Trump or Carson.”

Fehrnstrom pointed out that the fourth debate passed this week without any candidate landing a blow against Trump or Carson. “We’re about to step into the holiday time accelerator,” he said. “You have Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year’s, then Iowa and a week later, New Hampshire, and it’s going to be over in the blink of an eye.”

According to other Republicans, some in the party establishment are so desperate to change the dynamic that they are talking anew about drafting Romney — despite his insistence that he will not run again. Friends have mapped out a strategy for a late entry to pick up delegates and vie for the nomination in a convention fight, according to the Republicans who were briefed on the talks, though Romney has shown no indication of reviving his interest.

For months, the GOP professional class assumed Trump and Carson would fizzle with time. Voters would get serious, the thinking went, after seeing the outsiders share a stage with more experienced politicians at the first debate. Or when summer turned to fall, kids went back to school and parents had time to assess the candidates. Or after the second, third or fourth debates, certainly.

None of that happened, of course, leaving establishment figures disoriented. Consider Thomas H. Kean Sr., a former New Jersey governor who for most of his 80 years has been a pillar of his party. His phone is ringing daily, bringing a stream of exasperation and confusion from fellow GOP power brokers.

“People usually start off in the same way: Pollyanna-ish,” Kean said. “They assure me that Trump and Carson will eventually fade. Then we’ll talk some more, and I give them a reality check. I’ll say, ‘The guy in the grocery store likes Trump. So does the guy who cuts my hair. They’re probably going to stick with him. Who knows if this ends?’ ”

Washington Post nonfiction book critic Carlos Lozada recently binge read eight of Donald Trump’s books and five of Ben Carson’s. So which Republican presidential candidate is the better author? (Tom LeGro/The Washington Post)
South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, herself an outsider who rode the tea party wave into office five years ago, explained the phenomenon.

“You have a lot of people who were told that if we got a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate, then life was gonna be great,” she said in an interview Thursday. “What you’re seeing is that people are angry. Where’s the change? Why aren’t there bills on the president’s desk every day for him to veto? They’re saying, ‘Look, what you said would happen didn’t happen, so we’re going to go with anyone who hasn’t been elected.’ ”

Before Tuesday’s debate in Milwaukee, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker had a reception at the Pfister Hotel with party leaders, donors and operatives. There was little appetite for putting a political knife in the back of either Trump or Carson, according to one person there. Rather, attendees simply hoped both outsiders would go away.

There are similar concerns about Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who is gaining steam and is loathed by party elites, but they are more muted, at least for now.

Charlie Black, who has advised presidential campaigns since the 1970s, said he believes the 2016 contest “will eventually fall into the normal pattern of one outsider and one insider, and historically the insider always wins.”

Black said he was briefed on the findings of two recent private focus groups of Trump supporters in Iowa and New Hampshire that showed these voters knew little about his policy views beyond immigration. “Things like universal health care and other more liberal positions he’s taken in the past will all get out before people vote in New Hampshire,” he said. Black said the focus groups were commissioned by two rival campaigns, but he was not authorized to identify them.

One well-funded outside group, the Club for Growth, has aired ads attacking Trump in Iowa and more recently came out against Carson as well. “Donald Trump and Doctor Ben Carson are in over their heads,” said Club for Growth President David McIntosh, labeling both candidates as “pretenders.”

Still, the party establishment’s greatest weapon — big money — is partly on the shelf. Kenneth G. Langone, a founder of Home Depot and a billionaire supporter of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, said he is troubled that many associates in the New York financial community have so far refused to invest in a campaign due to the race’s volatility.

“Some of them are in, but too many are still saying, ‘I’ll wait to see how this all breaks,’ ” Langone said. “People don’t want to write checks unless they think the candidate has a chance of winning.” He said that his job as a ­mega-donor “is to figure out how we get people on the edge of their chairs so they start to give money.”

Many of Romney’s 2012 National Finance Committee members have sat out the race so far, including Peter A. Wish, a Florida doctor whom several 2016 candidates have courted.

“I’m not a happy camper,” Wish said. “Hopefully, somebody will emerge who will be able to do the job,” but, he added, “I’m very worried that the Republican-base voter is more motivated by anger, distrust of D.C. and politicians and will throw away the opportunity to nominate a candidate with proven experience that can win.”

The apprehension among some party elites goes beyond electability, according to one Republican strategist who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk candidly about the worries.

“We’re potentially careening down this road of nominating somebody who frankly isn’t fit to be president in terms of the basic ability and temperament to do the job,” this strategist said. “It’s not just that it could be somebody Hillary could destroy electorally, but what if Hillary hits a banana peel and this person becomes president?”

Angst about Trump intensified this week after he made two comments that could prove damaging in a general election. First, he explained his opposition to raising the minimum wage by saying “wages are too high.” Second, he said he would create a federal “deportation force” to remove the more than 11 million immigrants living in the United States illegally.

“To have a leading candidate propose a new federal police force that is going to flush out illegal immigrants across the nation? That’s very disturbing and concerning to me about where that leads Republicans,” said Dick Wadhams, a former GOP chairman in Colorado, a swing state where Republicans are trying to pick up a Senate seat next year.

Said Austin Barbour, a veteran operative and fundraiser now advising former Florida governor Jeb Bush: “If we don’t have the right [nominee], we could lose the Senate, and we could face losses in the House. Those are very, very real concerns. If we’re not careful and we nominate Trump, we’re looking at a race like Barry Goldwater in 1964 or George McGovern in 1972, getting beat up across the board because of our nominee.”

George Voinovich, a retired career politician who rose from county auditor to mayor of Cleveland to governor of Ohio to U.S. senator, said this cycle has been vexing.

“This business has turned into show business,” said Voinovich, who is backing Ohio Gov. John Kasich. “We can’t afford to have somebody sitting in the White House who doesn’t have governing experience and the gravitas to move this country ahead.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/time-for-gop-panic-establishment-worried-carson-and-trump-might-win/2015/11/12/38ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #873 on: November 13, 2015, 01:11:33 PM »
Cruz is the only one I see right now that can possibly overtake Trump. It's mid November for Chrissakes and Trump still has not imploded as expected.

Immigration is one of the most, if not THE most important issue concerning the base.

It is also Rubio's Achilles heel and Trump DESTROYS Marco on that when you look at the poll numbers.

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« Reply #874 on: November 13, 2015, 02:41:20 PM »
Cruz is the only one I see right now that can possibly overtake Trump. It's mid November for Chrissakes and Trump still has not imploded as expected.

Immigration is one of the most, if not THE most important issue concerning the base.

It is also Rubio's Achilles heel and Trump DESTROYS Marco on that when you look at the poll numbers.

Carson has already overtaken him in most polls, but I don't think Carson will be the nominee.  Definitely don't think Trump will win. 

I like Cruz a lot, but if you look at the total package in terms of the general election, I give the edge to Rubio.