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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #400 on: October 09, 2015, 09:47:09 AM »
OCTOBER 8, 2015
A New Clue Suggests Biden May Run
BY RYAN LIZZA

A meeting between the Vice-President’s aides and D.N.C. staffers may indicate that Biden, pictured earlier this week, is seriously mulling a Presidential run.
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Joe Biden has taken another step toward entering the Presidential race.

Representatives of the Vice-President held a meeting this week with Democratic National Committee staffers. They briefed Biden’s aides on arcane but crucial rules that the Vice-President would need to understand if he decides to run, according to a D.N.C. official.


It was the most significant sign the source had seen to indicate Biden’s intentions. “I think it means he’s running,” the source said.

The D.N.C. has held similar meetings for representatives from the five declared Democratic candidates: Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Jim Webb, Martin O’Malley, and Lincoln Chafee. The D.N.C. offered the meeting to Biden earlier this year, and the party committee was scheduled to brief his aides back in June, but that meeting was cancelled.

When the meeting was finally held this week, D.N.C. staffers walked Biden’s representatives through the primary calendar, filing deadlines, the mechanics of ballot-access issues, and the complicated details of the party’s state-by-state selection process for delegates and super delegates. The session included a level of detail that would only be of interest to a candidate who is serious about running. For example, the briefing included information about issues such as whether a particular primary state requires a candidate to send a letter to the Secretary of State in order to get on the ballot, or circulate a petition, or pursue some other method.

But, while the briefing is considered an important step for any candidate who is serious about entering the race, how it will affect Biden’s decision is unclear. It may simply be that Biden is still gathering the necessary information to help him make a final determination. And the details of the complicated process of winning enough delegates to secure his party’s nomination might convince Biden that the window to enter the race has passed.

The D.N.C. source, who was briefed on the meeting, said that the information conveyed seemed eye-opening for Biden’s aides. “They probably thought they had a lot longer,” the source said. “The deadlines for qualifying on the ballots for key states haven’t passed yet, but are fast approaching.”

“D.N.C. staff offers all Democratic Presidential candidates and potential candidates briefings on the ballot and delegate process,” said a D.N.C. spokesperson, declining to confirm or deny whether D.N.C. staff briefed Biden’s representatives this week.

The rumblings in Democratic circles about whether Biden may be leaning toward running seem to be impacting the Clinton campaign. Yesterday, Clinton announced that she no longer supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the trade deal that, in 2012, she said “sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field.” Additionally, in “Hard Choices,” Clinton’s 2014 memoir of her tenure as Secretary of State, she wrote that the T.P.P. would be a “signature economic pillar of our strategy in Asia.”

The trade deal is vehemently opposed by labor unions, whose support Biden would count on if he enters the race. As a sitting Vice-President, it would be far more difficult for Biden to oppose the T.P.P., one of Obama’s top remaining priorities, and on Tuesday, Biden’s spokesperson confirmed that he supports the bill and will help pass it on the Hill.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #401 on: October 12, 2015, 05:00:22 PM »
Reuters/Ipsos Poll: Half of Democrats Want Biden in Race

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Monday, 12 Oct 2015

The drumbeat for Joe Biden to jump into the 2016 presidential race is growing louder.

Almost half of the nation's Democrats want the vice president to enter the field and challenge front-runner Hillary Clinton, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll.

 The poll breakdown among Democrats:
•48 percent favor a Biden run
•30 percent want Biden to stay out.

The results come as speculation surrounding Biden's intentions has intensified, with reports having him close to a decision. The declared Democratic presidential candidates, including Clinton and U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, her closest rival, will take the stage Tuesday night in Las Vegas for the first party debate.
Biden will not be there, but 48 percent of Democrats surveyed in the Reuters poll wish he were a candidate, compared with 30 percent who said he should stay out. Independents were split on the question, with 36 percent saying Biden should stay in and an equal share believing otherwise.

But support for Biden's entry into the race does not translate into equal passion for his candidacy. Just 17 percent of those surveyed said Biden would be their first choice, while 46 percent would back Clinton. Biden would also run behind Sanders, who remains the favorite of one fourth of Democrats surveyed.

Steve Schale, a Democratic strategist in Florida with Draft Biden, a political action committee established to lay the groundwork for a Biden run, said more voters would be likely to support Biden once he has officially launched a campaign.

"There's an element of people - they know they like him, but they're not willing to give him their vote yet," Schale said.

Former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley, ex-Senator Jim Webb of Virginia and Lincoln Chaffee, a former governor of Rhode Island, comprise the rest of the Democratic presidential field.

Clinton has been perceived as increasingly politically vulnerable as questions persist over her use of a private email server while she was secretary of state in the Obama administration. That controversy has helped stoke the fires for a late-in-the-game Biden shot.

Even so, Clinton continues to command large organizational and financial advantages, as well as the lion's share of the Democratic electorate, as the Reuters poll confirms.

Those close to Biden told Reuters that the vice president, still grief-stricken over the death of his son Beau from brain cancer in May, has not yet settled upon a course of action and is determined to stay true to his personal timetable.

Media reports last week had aides to Biden consulting with the Democratic National Committee about upcoming deadlines for qualifying for state primary ballots. Several are as early as November, meaning that Biden will have to reach a decision soon or risk being left off the ballot in some primaries.

The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted from Oct. 7-12 and surveyed 1,431 adults, including 580 self-identified Democrats. The credibility interval, which is similar to the margin of error, was 3 percent for the broader survey and 4.7 percent for the survey of Democrats.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #402 on: October 13, 2015, 04:37:55 AM »
the dem debate is tonight.   should be a shit show.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #403 on: October 13, 2015, 09:44:23 AM »
Fox News Poll: Biden more electable than Clinton?
By Dana Blanton
Published October 13, 2015
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Vice President Joe Biden trails Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, yet he looks more electable than the former secretary of state against top Republicans.

As Democrats prepare for their first debate Tuesday evening, the latest Fox News national poll finds little movement in the primary. Clinton remains the front-runner among Democratic primary voters (45 percent), with Bernie Sanders (25 percent) and Biden (19 percent) behind her by about 20 percentage points. That's almost identical to where things stood three weeks ago.

Lincoln Chafee, Larry Lessig, Martin O'Malley, and Jim Webb each receive 1 percent or less.

Biden, who has yet to announce his candidacy, was invited to participate in the debate if he were to make it official; Lessig was not invited.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS

In hypothetical 2016 matchups with top-tier Republicans, Clinton trails all the Republicans tested. She trails Ben Carson by 11 points and Donald Trump by 5 points. Jeb Bush has a 4-point edge over Clinton, while Carly Fiorina is up by 3 points.

Biden fares better. He leads Trump by 13 points and tops Bush by 5 points. Biden is preferred over both Fiorina and Carson by 4 points. And Biden narrowly bests Marco Rubio by 1 point.

Though Clinton still dominates the Democratic primary race, the new poll confirms a significant decline in her support since summer. In June, her lead over Sanders was double what it is today (61 percent Clinton vs. 15 percent Sanders). And instead of trailing Trump by 5 points, she topped him by 17 points. Clinton was also up by 6 points over Fiorina then, while she's down by 3 now.

Contrary to the chatter from some pundits, party "trumps" gender. Women are more inclined to back the Democrat over Fiorina whether it is Clinton (+7 points) or Biden (+12 points). Men are more likely to back Fiorina over Clinton by 14 points, yet Fiorina's edge narrows to 5 points over Biden.

Pollpourri

How would the 2016 contest look if Biden were to pick Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren as his running mate?  Voters prefer a Biden-Warren ticket over both a Trump-Fiorina ticket (48-42 percent) and a Bush-Rubio combo (45-43 percent).

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cell phone interviews with 1,004 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from October 10-12, 2015. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points for all registered voters, 5 points for Democratic primary voters and 4 points for the head-to-head match-ups.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/?intcmp=hpbt1

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #404 on: October 13, 2015, 09:48:16 AM »
Ready to Debate: A Guide to the Democratic 2016 Candidates
Tuesday, 13 Oct 2015

The Republican presidential contest has been aflutter for months, but now it's time for the Democrats to spread their wings before a big national audience.

Their first debate is Tuesday night on CNN. Grab your binoculars and bring along this field guide to the candidates.

HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

Key features: Nearly everybody recognizes her. She's the only candidate who's lived in the White House already, as first lady.

A quick sketch:

— Daughter of a fabric store owner and a homemaker living in the Chicago suburbs

— Met her future husband and future president, Bill Clinton, at Yale Law School

— After serving as first lady, elected to U.S. Senate from New York

— Early Democratic front-runner in '08, she lost presidential nomination to Barack Obama

— Won both praise and criticism as Obama's first secretary of state

Also of note:

A steady drip is wearing on Clinton's air of invincibility as the front-runner for the Democratic nomination. The troubles include Clinton using a personal email account and server while at the State Department; the fatal attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, on her watch; and big donations from foreigners and political supporters to the Clinton family's charitable foundation.

Might Clinton be for you?

Perhaps yes, if you prefer a Democrat but with a more aggressive foreign policy than Obama.


Perhaps no, if you want a candidate who isn't already mired in investigations (Benghazi, and therefore emails).

Some other distinguishing issues:

— Wants to make public universities affordable and community colleges tuition-free

— Wants to build on Obama's health care law and lower the costs of prescription drugs and insurance deductibles

— Opposes an Obama initiative that she once supported: the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal

In a nutshell:

Establishment. Early favorite. Second-timer.

BERNIE SANDERS

Key features: He's an independent senator from Vermont who calls himself a Scandinavian-style democratic socialist.

A quick sketch:

— Son of a Polish immigrant father; raised in Brooklyn with the accent to prove it

— A student civil rights activist at the University of Chicago in the '60s

— Unseated the Democratic mayor of Burlington, Vermont, by 10 votes in 1981

— Elected to U.S. House in 1990, he's Congress' longest-serving independent

— An early and vocal opponent of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003

Also of note:

Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination, but he's never been a Democrat. He represented an anti-war third party in four unsuccessful races for office in Vermont in the 1970s. He was elected Burlington mayor as an independent. He caucuses with Democrats in the Senate, but he's called both the Democratic and Republican parties tools of the wealthy.

Might Sanders be for you?

Perhaps yes, if you want a president to tackle income inequality as "the great moral issue of our time" and think democratic socialism is cool.

Perhaps no, if you want government to get smaller, not bigger.

Some other distinguishing issues:

— Create a "Medicare for All" single-payer universal health care program

— Raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour

— Make tuition free at public colleges and universities

In a nutshell:

Liberal. Populist. Politically independent.

MARTIN O'MALLEY

Key features: He's a former Maryland governor who champions data-driven leadership and sings, too.

A quick sketch:

— Father was a suburban D.C. lawyer, mother's been a congressional staffer for nearly three decades

— Met his wife while they were University of Maryland law students

— Elected Baltimore mayor at age 36, he took a statistics-heavy approach to reducing crime

— During two terms as governor that ended in January, he signed bills legalizing gay marriage, repealing the death penalty

— The longtime front-man of a Celtic rock band, he sometimes sings and plays guitar at campaign events

Also of note:

One of the achievements O'Malley boasts about — dramatically reducing Baltimore's high crime rate as mayor — is getting new scrutiny in a time of national "Black Lives Matter" protests. Critics contend that O'Malley's zero-tolerance crime policies fostered a culture of harassment and abuse of black citizens that they blame for the death of Freddie Gray while in Baltimore police custody in April.

Might O'Malley be for you?

Perhaps yes, if you want to shield people in the country illegally from deportation until immigration law is overhauled.

Perhaps no, if you dislike his history of raising taxes.

Some other distinguishing issues:

— Increase Social Security benefits for seniors by raising payroll taxes on high earners

— Toughen gun laws, including requiring a background check with fingerprints for every gun sale

— Tighten banking rules and break up big banks to end potential for bailouts

In a nutshell:

Policy wonk. Liberal. An alternative to Clinton.

JIM WEBB

Key features: A highly decorated Vietnam veteran, he's followed his own path as a lawyer, novelist, journalist, Navy secretary and one-term U.S. senator.

A quick sketch:

— Grew up on the move as Air Force officer's son; graduated U.S. Naval Academy in 1968

— Awarded numerous medals, including Navy Cross for heroism as a platoon commander in Vietnam

— Battle injuries forced him out of the Marines; wrote first of his military novels, "Fields of Fire," in 1978

— Named President Ronald Reagan's Navy secretary; resigned to protest spending cuts

— Won 2006 Senate race in Virginia, running as a Democrat who had opposed invading Iraq

Also of note:

Some of Webb's writings could haunt his campaign, especially among women and minority voters. He's expressed regret for a blunt 1975 magazine piece against admitting women to the Naval Academy. He opined that affirmative action should be only for black Americans, not other minorities. Amid recent debate over removing Confederate flags and monuments, he urged people to remember "that honorable Americans fought on both sides." He's also written some racy prose as a novelist.

Might Webb be for you?

Perhaps yes, if you want a champion for the troops who's cautious about military ventures.

Perhaps no, if you want a candidate who backs President Barack Obama's nuclear agreement with Iran.

Some other distinguishing issues:

— Impose a doctrine limiting the circumstances under which the U.S. would use military force

— Stop incarcerating people for nonviolent drug crimes

— Overhaul the tax code to benefit workers, while also reducing the corporate tax rate

In a nutshell:


Former Republican. Combat veteran. Outsider appeal.

LINCOLN CHAFEE

Key features: A former Republican senator, he switched to the Democrats while serving as Rhode Island governor.

A quick sketch:

— Son of John Chafee, who was a Rhode Island governor and senator with a long political lineage

— Earned classics degree from Brown University, then spent seven years shoeing racehorses

— Elected mayor of Warwick in 1992; appointed U.S. senator when his father died in office

— Elected to his Senate seat in 2000 but lost re-election bid six years later

— Quit Republican Party, ran for governor as an independent, became a Democrat in office

Also of note:

Chafee long stood out as a liberal Republican in an increasingly conservative party. In 2002, he was the only Republican senator to vote against going to war in Iraq, and he's making that a cornerstone of his campaign. As an independent governor, he backed Barack Obama for president twice. He joined the Democrats in 2013.

Might Chafee be for you?

Perhaps yes, if you want to reinvigorate the United Nations and "find a way to wage peace."

Perhaps no, if you don't want the U.S. to seek alliances with Russia or Iran or consider talking with Islamic State militants.

Some other distinguishing issues:

— Ban the death penalty

— Drop all charges against fugitive National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden

— Switch the U.S. to the metric system

In a nutshell:

Political pedigree. Party switcher. Unconventional.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/democratic-debate-candidates-guide/2015/10/13/id/695926/#ixzz3oT2CM9bd

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #405 on: October 13, 2015, 09:49:46 AM »
6 things to watch at the CNN Democratic debate
By MJ Lee and Stephen Collinson, CNN
Tue October 13, 2015

(CNN)Five Democratic presidential candidates are about to try their luck at the first Democratic debate of the 2016 election in Las Vegas on Tuesday night.

But the spotlight is largely on two: former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

The former secretary of state needs to remind viewers of the debate sponsored by CNN and Facebook about why she began the year as the overwhelming front-runner and is best able to take the torch from President Barack Obama.

Sanders has the opportunity to prove to millions of voters why a 74-year-old self-described democratic socialist can take on both Clinton and Republicans.

There's also a lot at stake for the three lesser known underdogs, particularly former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, whose stalled campaigns could benefit from an "all in" performance Tuesday.

Here are CNN's six things to watch in Tuesday night's debate:

Can Clinton flip-flop gracefully?
Hillary Clinton will have to answer for the original sin of politics: flip-flopping.

Clinton came out against the Trans Pacific Partnership last week, when as secretary of state she heralded the agreement as the "gold standard" of trade deals. Her critics quickly accused her of shifting positions for the sake of political expediency in both appealing to liberals and creating distance between her and Barack Obama.

"Wow, that's a reversal," O'Malley, a TPP opponent, said last week. "I can tell you that I didn't have one opinion eight months ago and switch that opinion on the eve of debates."

Clinton has also been accused of doing a course reversal on issues important to the Democratic base, like same-sex marriage and immigration, including whether she supports allowing undocumented people to obtain driver's licenses. She also only recently opposed the Keystone XL pipeline, after months of dodging the question.

"The greatest opportunity for these other candidates is going to be to go after her on shifting positions, mostly recently on the TPP trade deal," Dan Pfeiffer, a former senior adviser to Obama, said on CNN Monday.

Clinton and Sanders finally face off

The emails: Will anyone go there?
Clinton has battled, unsuccessfully for months, to overcome the political storm over her private email server.

The attacks have been led by Republicans while Democrats have mostly averted their gaze, hoping it would go away.

It's a tricky issue for a rival candidate to bring up -- they could risk harming their own support among Democrats by raising the divisive issue. But it's still possible that Clinton's rivals -- perhaps Webb or O'Malley -- will gingerly point to the issue on Tuesday as a way of suggesting that she abhors transparency and scrutiny.

"She needs to answer the email questions with transparency and openly," Patti Solis Doyle, Clinton's 2008 campaign manager, said on CNN Monday. She added that Clinton's biggest challenge is to avoid getting "riled up" if put on the defensive.

Clinton's campaign has seized on comments by GOP House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy that the congressional Benghazi committee was created to hurt her politically, as well as criticisms of the panel by a conservative former staffer.

South Carolina, Nevada CNN polls find Clinton far ahead

Donald Trump: Democrats' favorite punching bag?
If Democrats don't attack Clinton, who will they hit? Republicans. Especially Trump, the GOP front-runner whose unorthodox campaign has dominated the 2016 narrative so far.

Look for the five Democrats on stage to go after Republicans from the start. The wealthy New York real estate developer presents an alluring target, and the more they can tie Trump to the overall Republican Party, the better.

The Democratic Party has used some of Trump's unfiltered remarks on everything from immigration to women to paint the GOP with a broad brush and label the party as exclusive and intolerant.

Trump will live-tweet the debate

Feel the Bern
By now, Bernie Sanders is used to being the star at the center of the stage.

He's drawing tens of thousands of supporters to campaign rallies, and he's become a liberal sensation, inspiring the popular slogan "Feel the Bern" among progressive Democrats. He's also giving Clinton a run for her money in early states like Iowa and New Hampshire.

Still, the pressure Tuesday night will be like none the Vermont senator has faced so far in the cycle.

Sanders has decades of experience in public office, but in some ways, he seems like a stylistic misfit for the presidential debate stage based on the campaign he has run thus far. He tends to give long and at times rambling speeches, he has repeatedly said he has no interest in attacking his fellow Democratic rivals, and his aides say he's barely engaged in traditional debate prep in the days leading up to Tuesday.

The added challenge for Sanders will be to win over viewers who are skeptical about whether the senator can rise to the occasion of being a national leader.

Why libertarian Penn Jillette likes Bernie Sanders

Which Clinton shows up?
Clinton has spent months on the defensive, due to the controversy over her private email server and surprised by the strong progressive surge that's powering Sanders to her left.

She's come across as not forthcoming in some interviews, reminding voters of the political obfuscation that at times clouded her husband Bill Clinton's administration in the 1990s. Clinton's poll numbers and approval ratings have dipped as a result.

But she's a known strong debater, and went toe to toe with Barack Obama again and again in 2008. A repeat of those assured, likable performances on Tuesday night could go a long way toward reminding 18 million Democrats why they voted for her in her first presidential primary campaign.

"Hillary Clinton is an excellent debater," said Pfeiffer. "She is excellent, crisp, knows the substance up and down, is very good in the back and forth."

For all her struggles in the race so far, she is still the overwhelming front-runner and faces by far the highest expectations.

Clinton also knows the dangerous potential of debates. Her halting answer about driving licenses for undocumented migrants in the 2008 season was the first crack in a front-running White House campaign that Obama eventually overhauled.

What celebrities want to ask the candidates

Is this Martin O'Malley's only chance?
O'Malley has spent months berating Democratic leaders for failing to schedule more debates, all as he has struggled to climb above single digits in the polls.

Once seen as a fresh and accomplished new Democratic voice, the former Maryland governor -- partly due to his failure to command much media coverage -- is badly in need of a fresh boost of energy.

He and his other underdog rivals, Jim Webb and Lincoln Chafee, will want to emulate Carly Fiorina. The former Hewlett-Packard CEO used fiery performances in the GOP debates to jump-start a stalled campaign and put herself into the top tier of GOP candidates.

O'Malley, 52, is also by far the youngest person on the stage. Sanders is 74, and was born months before America entered World War II. Most of the rest are baby boomers. Clinton is 67, Jim Webb is 69 and served in the Vietnam War, and Lincoln Chafee is 62.

Unlike the Republican primary, which features candidates spanning generations -- Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal are just 44 -- the Democratic contest looks like it is for seniors only. The age gap could give O'Malley an edge. And he'll need any advantage he can get.

"The one person who has a great opportunity here is Martin O'Malley," former Mitt Romney adviser Kevin Madden said on CNN Monday. "When you're at 1%, and you're Martin O'Malley, that's very easy. He has nowhere to go but up."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/democratic-debate-2015-what-to-watch/index.html

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #406 on: October 14, 2015, 12:38:59 PM »
Some observations from the first Democrat debate:

- Overall, not impressed.  Incredibly weak field.  The only person I would even consider voting for on that stage at this point is Webb.  

- Hillary played the woman card way too much.  It's great that we have a woman running for president, but that alone doesn't qualify her to be president.  When asked how her term would be different from Obama, she said the fact she is a woman.  Pathetic.  

- The national security question was very important to me.  That is my co-number one issue along with taxes.  Sanders said global warming is the no. 1 national security threat.  And that man wants to be president?  

- Speaking of Sanders, he was a conscientious objector during the Vietnam War, while Webb was busy earning a Silver Star and two Purple Hearts.  Loved Anderson Cooper's question about that distinction.  There is no way Sanders wins a general election, and no way I want that man to be Commander in Chief.    

- Chaffey wants to bring Edward Snowden home.  That's when he needed to get the heck off the stage.  

- Webb gave the best answer of the night IMO.  When asked how he would be different from Obama, he said he would use the legislative process, introduce bills, and not rely on executive orders to try and get things done.  Outstanding.  

Democrats should be pretty concerned about this group.  

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #407 on: October 14, 2015, 12:54:28 PM »
Link to the debate: 


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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #408 on: October 14, 2015, 01:47:14 PM »
Some observations from the first Democrat debate:

- Overall, not impressed.  Incredibly weak field.  The only person I would even consider voting for on that stage at this point is Webb.  

- Hillary played the woman card way too much.  It's great that we have a woman running for president, but that alone doesn't qualify her to be president.  When asked how her term would be different from Obama, she said the fact she is a woman.  Pathetic.  

- The national security question was very important to me.  That is my co-number one issue along with taxes.  Sanders said global warming is the no. 1 national security threat.  And that man wants to be president?  

- Speaking of Sanders, he was a conscientious objector during the Vietnam War, while Webb was busy earning a Silver Star and two Purple Hearts.  Loved Anderson Cooper's question about that distinction.  There is no way Sanders wins a general election, and no way I want that man to be Commander in Chief.    

- Chaffey wants to bring Edward Snowden home.  That's when he needed to get the heck off the stage.  

- Webb gave the best answer of the night IMO.  When asked how he would be different from Obama, he said he would use the legislative process, introduce bills, and not rely on executive orders to try and get things done.  Outstanding.  

Democrats should be pretty concerned about this group.  

Any Republican you like better than Webb?

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #409 on: October 14, 2015, 01:50:07 PM »
Any Republican you like better than Webb?

I don't know yet. 

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #410 on: October 14, 2015, 02:06:39 PM »
I don't know yet. 

Who would you think, maybe?

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #411 on: October 14, 2015, 02:17:53 PM »
Who would you think, maybe?

Not sure.  I like some of what I've heard from everyone on the Republican side except Rand Paul, but I don't know if I would vote for any of them or Webb at this point.  I don't typically vote in the primaries because I'm an independent.  I make my decision after the candidates have been selected.  Webb isn't going to be the nominee anyway unless Hillary gets indicted.   

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« Reply #412 on: October 14, 2015, 02:19:30 PM »
Not sure.  I like some of what I've heard from everyone on the Republican side except Rand Paul, but I don't know if I would vote for any of them or Webb at this point.  I don't typically vote in the primaries because I'm an independent.  I make my decision after the candidates have been selected.  Webb isn't going to be the nominee anyway unless Hillary gets indicted.   

If it was Webb against Carson, say.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #413 on: October 14, 2015, 02:24:48 PM »
If it was Webb against Carson, say.

I have no idea.  I'll definitely have an opinion when the candidates are selected. 

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #414 on: October 14, 2015, 04:58:03 PM »
I'm not the only one who saw it this way.

Webb Wins the Debate
Editorial of The New York Sun
October 14, 2015

Headlines out of the Democratic debate reckon that Secretary Clinton won by default, and did a right charming job of it, particularly given the lack of gumption among the other candidates. This was well-marked this morning by the Wall Street Journal in an editorial that ran under the headline “Hillary Gets a Debate Pass.” It concluded that the party was back on track to her coronation as the 2016 nominee. Yet we wouldn’t want to let the moment pass without tipping our hat to the jarhead from Virginia, Senator James Webb.

LAST MAN STANDING: James Webb, who as an officer of the Fifth United States Marines was decorated for valor in Vietnam, is shown in the portrait painted by Richard Whitney when the future senator was serving as secretary of the Navy. Mr. Webb is the last of the hard-headed Democrats and the winner of the first primary debate in a party that has now drifted to the left of even President Obama. Is it time for him to move to the GOP?

By our lights, the Marine officer (there is no such thing as a former Marine) won this debate on substance. It reminds of what an impressive figure he is and what rich experience he brings to public life. It reminds that the Vietnam War, in which Mr. Webb appeared in arms, handed up its own giants. Mr. Webb was more than gracious when asked about Senator Sanders’s attempt during the Vietnam War to represent himself as a conscientious objector. Everybody makes his decisions in conscription, Mr. Webb noted, saying that if they go through the legal process, he respects them.

What really came through is the connection between character and policy. Mr. Webb is one of those figures who, like Reagan, believes deeply in a few clear principles. Mr. Webb served as Navy Secretary under Reagan. He is the only figure left in the entire Democratic party who has an appreciation of Vietnam and of military strategy. He was the only candidate on the stage who opposes the Iran appeasement. He brilliantly marked the signal it sent for the Russian strongman, President Putin, to enter the Syrian theater.

Mr. Webb used Vietnam to deliver by far the best response we’ve heard on immigration. He wants a pathway to citizenship. He used the example of his own heroic wife, Hong, who escaped the communist conquest of her country — while Democrats in Congress cut off the resupply of our allied government of Free Vietnam — by becoming one of the boat people who risked their lives to get to freedom. Mrs. Webb eventually earned a law degree at Cornell. Her husband conveyed beautifully the promise of a new wave of refugees from the current war.

Incredibly, Mr. Webb was the only candidate who mentioned Israel. The Jewish state wasn’t mentioned once by either CNN’s Anderson Cooper or anyone else in the debate. Only Mr. Webb. He was rebuffing Senator Chafee. “I believe,” the ex-senator said, “that the signal that we sent to the region when the Iran nuclear deal was concluded was that we are accepting Iran’s greater position on this very important balance of power, among our greatest ally Israel, and the Sunnis represented by the Saudi regime, and Iran.”

That may be a glancing mention, but the rest of the Democrats had nothing to say about Israel at all, even though relations between the White House and the government in Jerusalem have fallen to a nadir under the Obama administration. Mrs. Clinton was silent on the question. So was Senator Sanders. No suggestion that things might improve. Zilch. It was an extraordinary moment, pressaged by a page one story in the New York Times the day before reporting that the Democratic Party today is way to the left even of President Obama.

Only Mr. Webb mentioned the strategic problem of Communist China and danger that is gathering at the South China Sea. Mr. Webb gave by far the best answer on gun control, better even than Senator Sanders, who is from the state with both the least restrictive gun policies — known as Vermont Carry — and consistently among the lowest gun-homicide rates. Mr. Sanders boasted of his D minus rating from the National Rifle Association. Mr. Webb, a supporter of robust gun rights, was way ahead of him.

How sad it is for the Democratic Party that Mr. Webb is the only one left with any glint of what used to be the winning formula for the party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and even William Clinton. Mrs. Clinton, though she is saner than Sanders, Governor O’Malley, and Senator Chafee, is well to the left of the successful Democratic presidents. Watching Mr. Webb, now, alas, gone from the Senate, we couldn’t help but wonder whether it’s time for him to do what Reagan did, which is throw in with the GOP and announce that it wasn’t he who left the Democrats but the Democrats who left him.

http://www.nysun.com/editorials/webb-won-the-debate/89315/

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #415 on: October 14, 2015, 05:25:25 PM »
webb is a lot like trump, which is why many repubs like him.

he's very full of himself, very immature.  I admire his service, but bragging about grenading a man in war?  That's just stupid and immature and childish.

didn't the quesiton specifically ask POLITICALLY, which person dislikes you most?  Webb was just itching to let the world know he's killed someone.  I hate when canddiates do that.  Insecure.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #416 on: October 14, 2015, 05:29:50 PM »
webb is a lot like trump, which is why many repubs like him.

he's very full of himself, very immature.  I admire his service, but bragging about grenading a man in war?  That's just stupid and immature and childish.

didn't the quesiton specifically ask POLITICALLY, which person dislikes you most?  Webb was just itching to let the world know he's killed someone.  I hate when canddiates do that.  Insecure.

LOL!  I don't know why I actually read this, but it sounds like something written by someone who got an arm loose from a straight jacket and had access to a keyboard.   :)

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« Reply #417 on: October 14, 2015, 05:50:03 PM »
Nice attack on me without addressing what I said. 

Typical of you people (liberals who suddenly hate anyone they consider liberals)

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« Reply #418 on: October 14, 2015, 06:03:21 PM »
Nice attack on me without addressing what I said. 

Typical of you people (liberals who suddenly hate anyone they consider liberals)

What you said is asinine.  You pulled it out of your rear end.  It's false.  And it sounds like the ramblings of someone who is a few fries short of a Happy Meal.     

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #419 on: October 14, 2015, 07:20:57 PM »
webb bragged about killing someone with a grenade.

it's not a mature statement.  Mature people don't brag in front of 15 million people that they killed someone with a grenade.  It's not funny.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #420 on: October 15, 2015, 03:02:59 PM »
webb bragged about killing someone with a grenade.

it's not a mature statement.  Mature people don't brag in front of 15 million people that they killed someone with a grenade.  It's not funny.

What is the exact quote where Webb "bragged about killing someone with a grenade"?  And why isn't anyone talking about it? 

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« Reply #421 on: October 15, 2015, 04:02:30 PM »
What is the exact quote where Webb "bragged about killing someone with a grenade"?  And why isn't anyone talking about it? 

Glen Beck show did what must have been a ten minute mocking of it.  "Grenading a man" lol... they went on and on.

You should turn off mainstream media and listen to some FOX NEWS radio.  You'll learn a lot.


Also, for your idea that nobody is talking about it -

National review, Fox News, the federalist and Breitbart ALL talked about it, in addition to the leftstream rags like HuffComposte.

Why do you make these completely wrong statements, without even looking it up?   I mean, google "fox news webb grenade" and you see them talking all about it.

You just make shit up, bro.

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« Reply #422 on: October 15, 2015, 04:20:04 PM »
Glen Beck show did what must have been a ten minute mocking of it.  "Grenading a man" lol... they went on and on.

You should turn off mainstream media and listen to some FOX NEWS radio.  You'll learn a lot.


Also, for your idea that nobody is talking about it -

National review, Fox News, the federalist and Breitbart ALL talked about it, in addition to the leftstream rags like HuffComposte.

Why do you make these completely wrong statements, without even looking it up?   I mean, google "fox news webb grenade" and you see them talking all about it.

You just make shit up, bro.


What is the exact quote by Webb where he "bragged about killing someone with a grenade"?

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« Reply #423 on: October 15, 2015, 04:22:19 PM »
What is the exact quote by Webb where he "bragged about killing someone with a grenade"?

Talking about enemies:

the “enemy soldier that threw the grenade that wounded me, but he's not around right now to talk to.”

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« Reply #424 on: October 15, 2015, 04:29:05 PM »
Talking about enemies:

the “enemy soldier that threw the grenade that wounded me, but he's not around right now to talk to.”

That's it?   ???