amanda knox found guilty

[CalvinH]

Hahaha, America wins again

[falco]

Hope extradition to be faster than the rescue of the Costa Concordia.

[BigCyp]

What's worrying, is how easily 99% of people would be swung on her innocence/guilt just by reading some of the opposing arguements from these internet 'experts'.

It underlines the danger of the internet as a resource tool. Back in the 90's and prior to that, if you wanted to research some facts, you would have to read credible authors who have managed to convince someone to publish their material in books/papers etc - now it's a case of sifting through 100's of anonymous strangers on the internet all professing to be experts, with no credentials.

[Skorp1o]

What's worrying, is how easily 99% of people would be swung on her innocence/guilt just by reading some of the opposing arguements from these internet 'experts'.

It underlines the danger of the internet as a resource tool. Back in the 90's and prior to that, if you wanted to research some facts, you would have to read credible authors who have managed to convince someone to publish their material in books/papers etc - now it's a case of sifting through 100's of anonymous strangers on the internet all professing to be experts, with no credentials.

She did herself no favors by changing her story line and giving non-credible accounts which contradicted what her boyfriend at the time stated, this doesn't need to come from a court transcript as it is widely available information. Trying to frame a black dude for a crime is a classic get out of jail card as a desperate resort, lucky for her the Talianos make a shambles out of the investigation and she got away.

[insanity_bb]

youre not very well informed on italy it seems.

Not even the Italians would disagree with me.

[galeniko]

What's worrying, is how easily 99% of people would be swung on her innocence/guilt just by reading some of the opposing arguements from these internet 'experts'.

It underlines the danger of the internet as a resource tool. Back in the 90's and prior to that, if you wanted to research some facts, you would have to read credible authors who have managed to convince someone to publish their material in books/papers etc - now it's a case of sifting through 100's of anonymous strangers on the internet all professing to be experts, with no credentials.

yah but this case everything is openly avalable.400pages of report.

haha that twwat soletico tried to escape italy before the cout verdict.got arrested.very good.

italian prison fucking sucks hes gona have a good time.

[LurkerNoMore]

Amanda Knox is as innocent as OJ Simpson, you can't prove it, but you just know she has more to do with this than she makes out.

Exactly.

As long as she keeps her ass in the US, there isn't much of a chance they will do anything.  What are they going to do?  Come seize her?  That would go over real well.  Every time they try to file to have her extradite, the lawyers will just file an appeal or stop motion.  It's a tug of war not going anywhere.

Now if she takes her ass outside the US, to France or UK, etc..  then yeah.... they might have a better chance of grabbing that cold sore spreading whore.

[jwb]

Use some common sense people they wanted to blame Amanda because she was the ideal scapegoat.

She was the ideal scapegoat because by blaming her the investigators would prevent hysteria in Perugia about the presence of a killer who was entering people’s houses and was still free (the truth).

The thought that the crime came from a sex party gone wrong, and had been elicited by a foreign girl, would have reassured all the little old ladies in that town. The boyfriend wasn't a local so fuck him too.

[TrueGrit]

Use some common sense people they wanted to blame Amanda because she was the ideal scapegoat.

She was the ideal scapegoat because by blaming her the investigators would prevent hysteria in Perugia about the presence of a killer who was entering people’s houses and was still free (the truth).

The thought that the crime came from a sex party gone wrong, and had been elicited by a foreign girl, would have reassured all the little old ladies in that town. The boyfriend wasn't a local so fuck him too.

[jwb]

Think about who the victim is... A foreigner.

A foreigner killed by another foreigner and caught the SAME day works out perfect for the cops and maintains the town's reputation (VERY important to Italians).

[Ronnie Rep]

hard to compare, different constitutions, italy being in the eu, its hard to compare.

not 1 system should be better, justice should always work flawlessly, after all its "just" executing the law.

That's naive and a pipe dream, there is always going to be politics played in any justice system!

[jwb]

This guy sums it up...

"The Meredith Kercher murder is one of those mirrors that reflects the prejudices of whoever is looking into it. There is no physical evidence and no credible motive, and yet an egotistical prosecutor is blaming Amanda Knox anyway. In the USA, this would only happen if she were black. Perhaps partying American college kids are so hated in Italy that Amanda will be treated as blacks are treated in the USA, and she will be convicted not because of the evidence but because of general resentment of shallow rich Americans. Personally, from what I've read I don't like Amanda Knox. She sounds spoiled, naive, and shallow. But that's not a crime. I loathe the prosecutor, who has a counterpart in every city in the USA - a preening, intellectually dishonest bully who cares more about making newspaper headlines than in serving justice. It's the same all over the world. Power and prejudice are the enemies of justice."

[jwb]

Two cold blooded killers planning their next move or two kids in shock and comforting each other right after the body is discovered by police that THEY called.

[cephissus]

If jwbs articles are so easily debunked, would someone just do the honors?

Or rather keep talking about the quality of justice systems in some thinly veiled euro vs America pissing match

[njflex]

not that it proved anything but she's uglied herself up a bit ,plain clothes/sans makeup,she looked pretty few yrs ago in italy and now this.still has prime yrs to look good and now playing it down.

[Automation]

She hit the wall

Looks like the time in the italian slammer turned her full on dyke.

[cephissus]

"amanda knox 'couldn't believe what i was hearing' as court found her guilty"

[galeniko]

she looks a bit like rafael nadal there


hm.

how about this,usa?

europe gives snowden in exchange for know?

would you throw her under the bus for that?

[Neymar Barca]

ive always felt the bitch was guilty

what you?

i ti si pratio a? na kojoj tv,svicarskoj ili talijanskoj

[calfzilla]

She's innocent. Just kinky sex game gone bad.

[tu_holmes]

she looks a bit like rafael nadal there


hm.

how about this,usa?

europe gives snowden in exchange for know?

would you throw her under the bus for that?

I'm glad Snowden is doing what he is doing.

I think he's a patriot

[falco]

Why did she blamed the black dude, owner of a club? And then changed her statement? Fishy.

[Skorp1o]

Why did she blamed the back dude, owner of a club? And then changed her statement? Fishy.

Cos it works 98% of the time in the US  

[blackpele]

It's a strange case, the circumstantial evidence heavily favours they are guilty, the DNA is sparse and the contamination angle leaves way too much room for reasonable doubt.The following points can't be ignored.



More than one person attacked Meredith Kercher. From the time of Rudy Guede's final sentencing,[3] the Court has accepted that more than one person attacked Meredith Kercher, with an unusually strong report that pointed towards Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito as the other attackers. Meredith was dressed, awake, and standing for the attack, yet did not defend herself. Unusually, she had no defensive wounds but for three tiny (0.24 inch or 6 mm) cuts on her hand[4], indicating an inability to express normal reflexes, flinch from the small cuts to her neck, or attempt to block the incoming blows with her hands or forearms. Indeed, in addition to wounds which fit two different knife profiles[5], she suffered numerous compression or restraint bruises to her elbows, wrists, and face. At the trial, consultants for Knox and Sollecito each proposed a single-attacker scenario but could not agree whether this lone wolf had attacked from the front (Torre, Amanda's consultant) or from behind (Introna, Raffaele's consultant).[6] At the appeal, under Judge Hellmann, Sollecito's defense team introduced two witnesses to testify first, that Guede had acted with two people other than Knox and Sollecito, and second, that two people excluding Guede had carried out the attack after mistakenly entering the home. The Supreme Court faulted Judge Hellmann for ignoring their sentence of Guede and supporting the single-wolf theory, which they found unsupported by the facts. They direct the new Appeals Court in Florence to see what evidence ties Rudy Guede together with Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in the cottage at the same time.

Someone returned to move Meredith. As is detailed by Judge Micheli (who convicted Guede for his part and committed Knox and Sollecito to trial to answer for the evidence of theirs) Meredith's body was discovered in a position and location different from that in which she died, judging by the lividity reported by the medical examiner and an indentation in her shoulder of a bra strap (with a corresponding impression on the floor). She had died and rested on her shoulder to the right of the room, wearing her bra, and was moved to center of the room and her bra discarded at her feet, soaked through but nowhere near any blood. He notes that the blood droplets on the cups show she was wearing the bra while still breathing, but her chest, which the bra had been covering, remained clean, indicating no breaths were being drawn when or after the bra was removed.

The bra clasp, cut or torn off from the bra the victim was wearing and originally hidden under the victim, had Raffaele's DNA on the hooks. No plausible argument for contamination was successfully made. Stefano Conti, the independent reviewer who testified to this point, could only suppose that "anything is possible." The Supreme Court strongly rejected that finding, and Judge Hellmann's acceptance of it, stating that the contamination must be proven likely, and not merely presented as a hypothetical possibility.

The knife recovered at Sollecito's apartment contained the victim and Amanda Knox's DNA. In her court testimony Carla Vecchiotti, one of the pair of independent experts who reviewed the DNA evidence at the first appeal, as well as forensic scientists from the Scientific Police, ruled out contamination in the laboratory with respect to the knife, owing to the six-day interval since testing items related to the Kercher case. When confronted with the knife DNA result in 2007, Raffaele responded with a fabricated story about accidentally pricking Meredith's hand while they were cooking together. Meredith had never been to his flat, and they had never cooked together.[7] The Supreme Court ruled the Scientific Police's findings must stand, absent any new proof. Another trace containing human DNA was found on the blade of the knife [8] by the independent reviewers, Stefano Conti and Carla Vecchiotti, who argued the trace was too minute too test, even though renowned forensic expert Professor Novelli argued that newer, more sensitive tests would be quite able to successfully test the sample. This test was performed in October 2013 and found to be Knox's DNA.

A bare footprint made in the victim's blood was discovered on the mat in the bathroom. Rudy's bloody shoe prints lead from Meredith's room directly down the hall and out the front door. The bathroom print, which could not have been made by Rudy Guede, is highly compatible with Raffaele Sollecito's right foot. His defense expert presented a crudely altered footprint diagram in the Massei court, to try to prove it couldn't be his client's, but the judge ruled it was more compatible with Raffaele, and completely ruled out that it could have been Rudy's.

Knox's DNA was found mixed with the victim's blood in the room where the burglary was staged, and in the bathroom they shared; some of this blood was Amanda's. Amanda testified that the bathroom was clean the day before the murder.

Footprints compatible with Knox and Sollecito's, and made in the victim's blood, were discovered when the forensic investigators tested the crime scene with luminol.

The burglary was staged, and there is no one other than Knox and Sollecito who would have any motivation to alter the crime scene that way. Broken glass had fallen on top of the scattered objects, meaning the window was broken after the ransacking, and Luminol revealed the presence of two traces of the victim's blood on the floor, showing conclusively that whomever had tracked it in had done so after the girl was dead. Raffaele knew nothing had been stolen in the course of this supposed burglary, assuring the 112 (911) operator of this fact well before the occupant of the room had come home and verified it for herself.[9][10]

Amanda Knox intentionally lied to the police to discourage them from considering Meredith's locked door suspicious. In her email home Amanda relates a scene of rising panic as she and Raffaele shout for Meredith, climb the balcony to try to see in her window, and Raffaele attempts to force the door open, but only splinters the frame. She says it was then they decided to call the cops. Despite all this concern, they did not mention the door, or their worries about Meredith, to the communications police who arrived unexpectedly to return Meredith's discarded cellphones. Filomena and her friends arrived shortly thereafter, and it was Filomena who said that it was not Meredith's habit to lock her door. Amanda falsely offered that this was not true: Meredith had locked it before, even to take a shower. The Supreme Court rules this is in itself proof of an attempt to prevent the discovery of the body, with all the implications that has for her guilt.

Knox and Sollecito's alibis are contradicted by each other, by physical evidence and by witness testimony. While this does not directly implicate them in the murder, they have clearly lied about what they did on the night of the murder and the following morning. It is inconceivable that they would risk lying about their activities if they were not involved in Meredith's murder. It is one thing to claim they cannot remember due to the influence of drugs. It is another to knowingly lie. The recent ruling confirms that they lied repeatedly.

Raffaele withdrew support for Knox's alibi, claiming that he lied at her request. He elected to not testify, and he refused to confirm that Knox was with him the night of the murder, for the entire trial. Confronted with the news that Raffaele had ceased to support her alibi, Knox quickly changed her story, placing herself at the cottage and falsely accusing an innocent man of committing the deed.

Amanda Knox's false accusation of her boss Patrick Lumumba. The appeals court has been directed by the Supreme Court to seriously consider this as yet more evidence of her guilt.

Great post Army of One, well said.

[jwb]

That post has more holes than Swiss cheese.