Ok I know I've been messing around alot....but finally decided.

[Uncle Junior]

My first ever cycle ok or not?


Ok here goes..

4IU Genotropin Script GH Daily
250 mg Test Prop Weekly
250 mg Deca Durabolin Weekly

Arimidex 1 tab EOD
Metformin 3 x 500 tabs daily (for blood sugar issues)
Finasteride 1mg daily

+ ECA stack for fat burn.


Unless anyone tells me anything radically different that what I propose to do, I got everything apart from the Deca which I will get this week.

Yes or Nay?

Ibizia here I come.

BOOM!

[dustin]

Sounds decent. You can make great gains on modest cycles. You've got some good anabolics there, some GH, some ephedrine and metformin. You should be able to recomp your body and look really great, man.

[galeniko]

yes thats a solid 52weeks per year cycle.

all those 3 compounds will store some water under the skin,though.

results should be impressive.

[spiro]

I like that looks good.

[AbrahamG]

My first ever cycle ok or not?


Ok here goes..

4IU Genotropin Script GH Daily
250 mg Test Prop Weekly
250 mg Deca Durabolin Weekly

Arimidex 1 tab EOD
Metformin 3 x 500 tabs daily (for blood sugar issues)
Finasteride 1mg daily

+ ECA stack for fat burn.


Unless anyone tells me anything radically different that what I propose to do, I got everything apart from the Deca which I will get this week.

Yes or Nay?

Ibizia here I come.

BOOM!

Other than the prop being a pain in the ass, I like it.  You don't need shit tons of "real" gear for great results.

[beverast]

1mg Adex eod would be overkill for me, but hey, whatever works for you

[BigRo]

For Fucks Sake, this so fucking annoying.

Just spoke to the pharmacy and the fucking Deca comes in 50mg Ampoules only, so for me to take 250mg deca a week I got to pin fucking 5 times as well as the Test Prop EOD I will have more holes in me than a fucking Vodoo Doll.

Is it ok if I switch the Test Prop to Test Enanthate, cos the Enanthate comes in 250mg ampule and I can just pin that once a week.

YES

How do I pin the Deca since they come in 50g ampoules?

Do I do 50mg everyday or do I shoot 250mg in one ago (meaning I will have to pin 5 times FAAAARKKK,)

Or do I open all the 50mg ampoules and stick in a big syringe and pin 250mg deca in one go?

YES


Also what needle size or syringe size do I need to ask for, the fucking useless pharmacy doesn't know.

23g pins 2.5ml syringes

I need answers quick please.

Thanks

[Chubz]

25g works better imho, saves lots of scar tissue.

[galeniko]

i swear,use the shortest posible needles.long term you will be happy about that.

as for the deca just put it all into 1 or 2 weekly shots.

and the test, use test e, some say the water is worse from the test e compared to test p, but the difference is very small, they both notoriously cause water retention.

not one is better than the other, they ar eboth quite bad.but so what, the fullnes they give is epic.

[dustin]

i swear,use the shortest posible needles.long term you will be happy about that.

as for the deca just put it all into 1 or 2 weekly shots.

and the test, use test e, some say the water is worse from the test e compared to test p, but the difference is very small, they both notoriously cause water retention.

not one is better than the other, they ar eboth quite bad.but so what, the fullnes they give is epic.

What length do you use?

I use 1" or 1.5" because I found that the deeper I go the less painful it was. But now that I'm getting used to pinning I can do more shallow injections. I have no body fat on delts and glutes (at least where I pin) and was thinking of going .75" but I'm too sketched.

[galeniko]

dustin, the insulin needles.

the very smallest ,they not even an inch in lenght.

works just as well and much less issues.

[dustin]

dustin, the insulin needles.

the very smallest ,they not even an inch in lenght.

works just as well and much less issues.

Damn, man. You must be patient.

Even with really thin oils I hate waiting to load those things. And it's a bitch to backload them and I always think I'm going to touch the plunger and get an abscess, or squirt oil everywhere lol

Any special technique that you use to load them? I've got a box of slin pins and need to pin tonight.

[oni]

Damn, man. You must be patient.

Even with really thin oils I hate waiting to load those things. And it's a bitch to backload them and I always think I'm going to touch the plunger and get an abscess, or squirt oil everywhere lol

Any special technique that you use to load them? I've got a box of slin pins and need to pin tonight.

I just take the plunger out, squirt it in then just put the plunger in a little and turn it upside down so the air goes to the top. Then just push the plunger in and I'm ready to go.
Takes 30 seconds

[Mawse]

One Adex eod? Why, do you have breast cancer?

One a week would likely not even be necessary for that dose of test, unless obese

[oni]

Thanks people.

Also finally I found out I can get Sustanon 250.

Should I stick with the Testosterone Enanthate or take the Sustanon 250.


I have to emphasize I DONT WANT ANY WATER BLOAT, I don't want to look remotely puffy that's why I am taking high Adex dose.

Thanks

You shouldn't take any arimidex. 0.5mg day after injection at the most.
If you don't want water bloat... you picked a poor choice of drugs. Just stick with 250mg of testosterone. Switching to sustanon won't change shit. I'd go with the enanthate though, it will keep you "fuller" while you diet down

[_aj_]

The Galeniko diet. Hurts like hell, but you'll get shredded. Not sure what'll be left tho.

It's willpower, not drugs, that will get you shredded. Or so I am told.

[galeniko]

One Adex eod? Why, do you have breast cancer?

One a week would likely not even be necessary for that dose of test, unless obese

yes, do not overdose the adex, its no good for so many reasons.

if one shoots test e, just use 1 pill the day of the shot and no more.

theres other using patterns for adex, but this one is ok.will kep the post shooting estogen spike down,.

high adex is realy only for the very last fat deposits,other than that it kills of everything,, sex drive, pump, everything.

dustin, you remove the gear from ampoula with huge needle, but you shoot with insulin one,lol.works fst and flawless.

the injecting goes quite fast , suprising for the slin needle, few seconds longer than normal.

not one pain or inflammation ever.

[jibr0418]

If you don't want the water, why take deca?? I would save the deca for another time and in place of the deca implement masterone 200-400mg/wk. That will help with any water you may get from the test. Along with the 4iu/day gh you should be able to shred away with a good diet in place. As others have said in this post, diet is key to success.

[Mawse]

200 test, 100 mg mast (which will NOT 'kill your hair' in this low dose but will compliment the low dose test nicely)

var 50mg a day

Enjoy

no need for adex if you stop eating 300 grams of carbs a day  

unless Turkey got fucked by the EU you can take a weekend trip to Istanbul and fill a suitcase full of OTC HG Primo, that's what I did last time I was there. Again unless the laws have changed in the last decade you can march it right through heathrow customs with a big grin on your face.

[galeniko]

yeah, screw the deca.take that crap out.

if it must be something additional to test, rather do eq.


mast is very good, i really believe its the best steroid, but oh well, yu know the deal.

can try tren later on.

but yes,the shreddedness is all diet.

its really hard.

and taking things like deca will not be helpfull.youll have some water issues from the gh.

its pretty hard to get shredded even when only one estrogen convertible is ran, but when things like deca are added it only makes things harder for no reason.

deca is a nice building muscle, but i find it a joke when someone uses test in same cycle.the test overshadows and outpowers the deca ridiculously.

deca:for womens, and first time cycles.

[jibr0418]

Ok...I get the not wanting to lose your hair. I shave my head these days, so I could care less. I would maybe suggest throwing in EQ at maybe 400-500mg/wk (low, but it's all you should need) and Var would get you where you want at 50mg/day maybe the last 5 weeks of your cycle. This being your first cycle, I think you are going about it right by using low dosages. I think you will be amazed at the results you get. Remember, you still have to do the work and keep a very clean diet for the results you are looking for, but you can do it. Good luck!

[galeniko]

lol, you will be limited to test,eq and gh forever if you care about the hair.


maybe tren you cna get away with,gotta try.

deca maybe but its shit imo.


mast is "the final solution" for the hair, if hair is concern i wouldnt go near dht derivates.

thats it, test,eq, maybe tren.gh.

i dont see why anyone would need anything else than that anyway

[jibr0418]

^^^^^^
Exactly what Galeniko said. You can get both var and mast that are what they say they are and dosed properly from many places online. Just need to know where to look and who to get it from. If you go the mast route, maybe go with mast e so you don't  have to pin it eod. Mast e comes 200mg/ml so you could easily get away with 200mg/wk with decent results as far as keeping you dry. Add the var to the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and you will love it. You could probably even back off the mast at that point being that have concerns with your hairline. I think anadrol took my hair out. Started getting thin when I was 22.

[Christo]

My first ever cycle ok or not?


Ok here goes..

4IU Genotropin Script GH Daily
250 mg Test Prop Weekly
250 mg Deca Durabolin Weekly

Arimidex 1 tab EOD
Metformin 3 x 500 tabs daily (for blood sugar issues)
Finasteride 1mg daily

+ ECA stack for fat burn.


Unless anyone tells me anything radically different that what I propose to do, I got everything apart from the Deca which I will get this week.

Yes or Nay?

Ibizia here I come.

BOOM!

How may weeks your cycle will be?

[anabolichalo]

deca + finasteride = bad idea