I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote

[Straw Man]

LMFAO ok moron...let me spell it out for your obvious libtard dumb ass...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148745/political-ideology-stable-conservatives-leading.aspx

THIS IS NATIONALLY NOT IN SOME RANDOM STATE THAT SUPPORTS YOUR STUPIDTY!!!

this is why I basically ignore you

you're so fucking stupid you don't even understand the argument

[tonymctones]

ok....

[StreetSoldier4U]

ok....

It's all one big diversion by straw man.  He's functioning on an emotional level and isn't thinking rationally. 

[Tedim]

It's all one big diversion by straw man.  He's functioning on an emotional level and isn't thinking rationally. 

Just a self loathing socialist hoping everyone feels as miserable as he does.....

[Tedim]

Exactly why I started this thread. I like you dude, you think rationally.

You like me for my big trucks....and huge dumpsters 

Did you get the info?

[StreetSoldier4U]

Just a self loathing socialist hoping everyone feels as miserable as he does.....

There is a strong strain of self loathing and anti-Americanism on the left.  

[Tedim]

There is a strong strain of self loathing and anti-Americanism on the left.  

It's their mating call....

[Straw Man]

ok....

your link has NOTHING to do with the argument that Repubs benefit by low voter turnout (as they themselves have admitted)

of course you would need this simple statement explained to you

I've told you many times before that you are not worth my time

I actually wish there was someone on the right side of the spectrum on this board that wasn't a complete idiot (HH is the rare exception...sometimes)

[StreetSoldier4U]

your link has NOTHING to do with the argument that Repubs benefit by low voter turnout (as they themselves have admitted)

of course you would need this simple statement explained to you

I've told you many times before that you are not worth my time

I actually wish there was someone on the right side of the spectrum on this board that wasn't a complete idiot (HH is the rare exception...sometimes)

So what if they do.  Whose responsibility is it to have proper identification?

[RRKore]

It's all one big diversion by straw man.  He's functioning on an emotional level and isn't thinking rationally. 

You seem to make this claim about everyone who doesn't agree with you, though.   

What university did you go to where this approach worked for you?

[StreetSoldier4U]

You seem to make this claim about everyone who doesn't agree with you, though.   

What university did you go to where this approach worked for you?

You're obviously upset.  Maybe you need to take a break for awhile

[blacken700]

You seem to make this claim about everyone who doesn't agree with you, though.   

What university did you go to where this approach worked for you?

that's streetsoldja for you

[StreetSoldier4U]

that's streetsoldja for you

The fact is that your argument is weak.  You're against voter ID on an emotional level. 

[blacken700]

I'm against it because it's one party trying to get an unfair advantage.they didn't do it because it was right or wrong

[StreetSoldier4U]

I'm against it because it's one party trying to get an unfair advantage.they didn't do it because it was right or wrong

And?  Obtaining ID is not hard.  There is nothing preventing a person from getting ID.  If they obtain ID the problem is solved.  Some form of ID should be required.

[blacken700]

Pennsylvania’s GOP chairman, Rob Gleason, is pleased with how effective Voter ID laws were in the 2012 election. Despite President Obama’s victory, Gleason believes the laws did what they were designed to do When asked by a Pennsylvania cable news reporter earlier this week if the laws affected last year’s elections, Gleason responded: “I think we had a better election. Think about this: we cut Obama by 5 percent…I think Voter ID helped a bit in that.”

[RRKore]

...

I actually wish there was someone on the right side of the spectrum on this board that wasn't a complete idiot (HH is the rare exception...sometimes)

I wish this were true, too.  For one thing, smart conservatives (who definitely exist in places like reddit/r/politics or reddit's many conservative sub-forums) don't need an explanation of the current commonly discussed political issues of the day.

There are a few folks who seem fairly with it whose politics are left, right, and center depending on the issue but they don't participate enough.  And who can blame them since this mostly mod-free forum seems to quickly dissolve into name-calling.

Let's face it, this is not and probably never has been a serious political forum.  It's a little bit more advanced than your average youtube thread, but not by a lot.

[StreetSoldier4U]

Pennsylvania’s GOP chairman, Rob Gleason, is pleased with how effective Voter ID laws were in the 2012 election. Despite President Obama’s victory, Gleason believes the laws did what they were designed to do When asked by a Pennsylvania cable news reporter earlier this week if the laws affected last year’s elections, Gleason responded: “I think we had a better election. Think about this: we cut Obama by 5 percent…I think Voter ID helped a bit in that.”

So.  All this proves is these people should invest in an ID.  These were people who couldn't prove who they said they were.   A thinking person who cares about voting would be aware of the law and take steps toward obtaining an ID.  

[RRKore]

... 
Obtaining ID is easy and inexpensive.
...    

You are apparently not acquainted with how shitty and desperate the lives of some Americans are.  

"Obtaining ID is easy and inexpensive" = "Let them eat cake" for some unfortunate people whether you honestly know this or not.

[Roger Bacon]

Pennsylvania’s GOP chairman, Rob Gleason, is pleased with how effective Voter ID laws were in the 2012 election. Despite President Obama’s victory, Gleason believes the laws did what they were designed to do When asked by a Pennsylvania cable news reporter earlier this week if the laws affected last year’s elections, Gleason responded: “I think we had a better election. Think about this: we cut Obama by 5 percent…I think Voter ID helped a bit in that.”

In other words, people who aren't even intelligent enough to obtain a state ID (I mean, imagine that.... lol), whose only motivation is getting something for nothing, they weren't able to vote.

What a shame

Let's leave our nations future in the hands of skid row, and people who can't even obtain a State ID.

[RRKore]

You're obviously upset.  Maybe you need to take a break for awhile

Didn't catch the name of your school.  What was it again?  (It's nothing to be ashamed of if you did not go to college, btw.)

[StreetSoldier4U]

You are apparently not acquainted with how shitty and desperate the lives of some Americans are.  

"Obtaining ID is easy and inexpensive" = "Let them eat cake" for some unfortunate people whether you honestly know this or not.

It's easy. My mother has an ID card and it was easy for her to obtain one.  You keep making excuses for peoples irresponsibility.   You're apples and oranges analogy of let them eat cake is a false equivalency.  

[StreetSoldier4U]

Didn't catch the name of your school.  What was it again?  (It's nothing to be ashamed of if you did not go to college, btw.)

Oh please, more of your desperation. I went to Michigan State.

[RRKore]

...
You're apples and oranges analogy of let them eat cake is a false equivalency.  
...

I think it's a pretty good comparison though slightly exaggerated.  (Exaggerated because it probably IS slightly easier for even a poor 80-year old catfood-eating senior to get to the DMV and buy an ID  than it was for famished french peasants who had no bread to eat to get some cake instead.)


BTW, at Michigan State they don't know the difference between "You're" and "Your"?  WTF?

[StreetSoldier4U]

I think it's a pretty good comparison though slightly exaggerated.  (Exaggerated because it probably IS slightly easier for even a poor 80-year old catfood-eating senior to get to the DMV and buy an ID  than it was for famished french peasants who had no bread to eat to get some cake instead.)


BTW, at Michigan State they don't know the difference between "You're" and "Your"?  WTF?

Hyperbole and nonsense.  You're creating a delusional scenario to support your position. As I said, you're coming from a purely emotional place.