What makes you fat? Calories? Sugars? Carbs?

[sagittal chest]

So many fad diets now:
Paleo, juice, raw, etc.

I honestly don't know what works best,
I just up the dose and eat everything.

Can someone give me the lowdown on these diets and the reason you believe they do or don't work?

[sagittal chest]

I think it is often from not exercising.

Most say nutrition plays a far greater role in weigh loss than exercise

[Darren Avey]

Genetics plays a big part, I know one guy who eats real healthy and is a tubster and another girl has McDonalds and ice creams every day and is a fuckign rake.

[sagittal chest]

Genetics plays a big part, I know one guy who eats real healthy and is a tubster and another girl has McDonalds and ice creams every day and is a fuckign rake.

Yes, ok, thanks for that contribution.
I am not however talking about things you can't change like genetics -
I and speaking purely of nutrition - sugars, carbs, calories...

Paleo argues that you can eat as many calories as you want,
As long as they aren't coming from sugar, or carbs I believe.
Supposedly this is because people were lean and muscular before sugars (bread) that we have difficulty with were introduced to feed a larger population.

[sagittal chest]

Everything is to do with hormones and the effect certain foods/macro's have on your hormones, this is particularly pertinent to natural athletes, doesn't apply so much to enhanced lifters.

That's why IFIYM is such utter nonsense/bullshit for natty's, off course enhanced users can get away with things

That doesn't answer the question though.

[MORTALCOIL]

Paleo argues that you can eat as many calories as you want,
As long as they aren't coming from sugar, or carbs I believe.

Paleo diet fans are idiots. However you put it (genetic differences, exercising, glycemic index, food/hormone reactions, etc....), the basic thing is: fat comes from putting more calories in your system then calories out. If you're working out, you'll have a couple of "miracle" months when you'll lose fat and put on muscle at the same time. Then it all goes back to normal. Fat= excess in calories.

[sagittal chest]

Three twins of slightly overweight build, 5'11" 200 pounds say

Twin 1 follows Paleo diet for six months,
Eating between 2500-3000 calories of fish, turkey, chicken, salad, and some fruit (no bread at all).

Twin 2 counts calories, eating 1000-1500 calories a day from varying sources (pasta, burgers, etc)

Twin 3 ...

Etc.

What would the physiques look like after 6 months.
And say they don't work out beyond walking 3 miles a day.

[dseiler]

All diets work if you are consistent.

Low carb is the best for leaning out.

Cycling carbs is the best for retaining muscle.

Paleo is entirely too dogmatic, but it's a great diet for someone who is coming from a life of eating processed garbage. Of course it's going to make you feel better. Imo, Paleo loses it's message when you start making "fake" foods from "real" ingredients.

Don't count calories. Eat until your body tells you it's full. Listen to it.

Juicing is fucking stupid. Detox diets are fucking stupid.

Adjust macros based on your goals. IIFYM is brilliant.

[sagittal chest]

Paleo diet fans are idiots. However you put it (genetic differences, exercising, glycemic index, food/hormone reactions, etc....), the basic thing is: fat comes from putting more calories in your system then calories out. If you're working out, you'll have a couple of "miracle" months when you'll lose fat and put on muscle at the same time. Then it all goes back to normal. Fat= excess in calories.

So why are these people so adamant?
Is there real science behind it?

[sagittal chest]

All diets work if you are consistent.

Low carb is the best for leaning out.

Cycling carbs is the best for retaining muscle.

Paleo is entirely too dogmatic, but it's a great diet for someone who is coming from a life of eating processed garbage. Of course it's going to make you feel better. Imo, Paleo loses it's message when you start making "fake" foods from "real" ingredients.

Don't count calories. Eat until your body tells you it's full. Listen to it.

Juicing is fucking stupid. Detox diets are fucking stupid.

Adjust macros based on your goals. IIFYM is brilliant.

I agree that detoxing/juicing is stupid and just putting money in the pockets of the people selling 600 dollar juicers. Best detox is drinking lots of water IMO

[MORTALCOIL]

So why are these people so adamant?
Is there real science behind it?

Another diet scam. It hits the streets every six months. Another miracle that won't happen. People are just looking for an easy way out. Health be it through working out or through diet, and most will agree that you would need to have both for maximum efficiency, is a long distance race. Not a fucking sprint.

[Simple Simon]

That doesn't answer the question though.

Why are you surprised considering the source?

[Simple Simon]

What is the ideal macronutrient ratio for muscle growth w/ little to no increase (or loss) of bodyfat? Is there one? Or does one just need to insure enough protein and watch the mirror to make sure they're not getting fat.

The question assumes proper training.  

Im sure True Adonis will be along at some point to validate his gimmick thread.

[MORTALCOIL]

What is the ideal macronutrient ratio for muscle growth w/ little to no increase (or loss) of bodyfat? Is there one? Or does one just need to insure enough protein and watch the mirror to make sure they're not getting fat.

The question assumes proper training.  

Pretty much, if you're training intensely, even the high protein diet supporters will say that for a natural more than 2g protein per kilo of BW is useless. For a juicer, Dorian (who was not a mild user) said if I remember correctly that he would eat about 3,3g per kilo of BW. So for a user at 120kg (260 pounds more or less-so not exactly small), you're going to get less than 400g of protein= 1 600 calories. So, you'll have to resort to other sources to match your needs. Frankly, you can put on muscle without adding fat if you pump into your body the "right" cocktail of hormones. But if you're a natural, pretty soon, putting on muscle will mean putting on fat also. And when you'll want to lose that fat, you'll lose some muscle also and under a certain BF%, you'll even lose a shitload of muscle whil your body will cling to what little fat is left. Get ready to cycle carbs for a long time.

[the trainer]

So many fad diets now:
Paleo, juice, raw, etc.

I honestly don't know what works best,
I just up the dose and eat everything.

Can someone give me the lowdown on these diets and the reason you believe they do or don't work?

Listening to anything that adonis have to say about diet will turn you into a tub of lard.

[wes]

Just train and eat nutritious bodybuilding foods for the most part,unless you are competing or trying to stay at 5% bodyfat.

Chicken,beef,eggs,eggwhites,
clean carbs over donuts and junk.

It`s not rocket science!

[Thin Lizzy]

Paleo diet fans are idiots. However you put it (genetic differences, exercising, glycemic index, food/hormone reactions, etc....), the basic thing is: fat comes from putting more calories in your system then calories out. If you're working out, you'll have a couple of "miracle" months when you'll lose fat and put on muscle at the same time. Then it all goes back to normal. Fat= excess in calories.

The Paleo "Community" is populated with food addicts who use the diet as a pretext for gorging themselves with high fat foods.

This tub, Jimmy Moore, is the poster child.

[Icelord]

1) Simple sugars/carbs used incorrectly, which 99.9% of the population does. Leading to storage as adipose tissue/fat/lard/etc.
2) Sedentary lifestyle.
3) Genetically-determined levels of T3/T4.

[galeniko]

being lazy in generla and overeating everything.

understanding what keeps a metabolism efficient is important, and how the body uses and stores the various macros.

understanding bloodsugar levels also helps.

[Thin Lizzy]

Starchy Carbs are like sponges. Eliminating these foods from your diet will not only result in fat loss but also water loss, the result being the much-coveted "Epic Leanface."

[Disgusted]

Eating too much makes you fat, sugar kills you in the long run.

[BAST]

[galeniko]

thnaks brother for this video, very interesting.

[Rudee]

I don't fret about putting 15 or maybe even 20lbs of excess weight on in the winter months, because I never have a problem getting into single-digit bodyfat levels come summer with about 12 weeks of reasonably strict dieting and hard training - drug free.   My body responds extremely well to low carb and moderate protein eating plans.   

[G_Thang]

So many fad diets now:
Paleo, juice, raw, etc.

I honestly don't know what works best,
I just up the dose and eat everything.

Can someone give me the lowdown on these diets and the reason you believe they do or don't work?

eat bread with every meal and down a pizza here and there.