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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2014, 06:43:38 PM »
Why have the program at all?

because some parent aren't comfortable teaching sex ed they would rather have someone else do it

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2014, 06:44:59 PM »
because some parent aren't comfortable teaching sex ed they would rather have someone else do it

That's bad parenting and certainly not a valid reason to spend money.

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2014, 06:45:18 PM »
Where did you get the information that the parents wanted this? 

because some parent aren't comfortable teaching sex ed they would rather have someone else do it

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2014, 06:47:50 PM »
because some parent aren't comfortable teaching sex ed they would rather have someone else do it

Not a valid reason.  Where is the proof?  Link please.

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2014, 06:48:33 PM »
because some parent aren't comfortable teaching sex ed they would rather have someone else do it

??  The program was developed by the Department of Education.  It nothing to do with whether "the parents wanted this."  

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2014, 06:52:14 PM »
Not a valid reason.  Where is the proof?  Link please.

lol not very smart huh

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2014, 06:53:26 PM »
lol not very smart huh

No links?  So this is just a guess?

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2014, 06:54:15 PM »
??  The program was developed by the Department of Education.  It nothing to do with whether "the parents wanted this."  

if  nobody wanted it they would all opt out,what do you think would happen to the program  :D :D :D tooooo much

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2014, 06:56:19 PM »
if  nobody wanted it they would all opt out,what do you think would happen to the program  :D :D :D tooooo much

This is a silly answer.   You can't justify the program nor can you provide any evidence for your theory about parents wanting the program.

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2014, 07:01:44 PM »
This is a silly answer.   You can't justify the program nor can you provide any evidence for your theory about parents wanting the program.

I've come to the conclusion you're probably  borderline down syndrome,or just a troll

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2014, 07:06:56 PM »
here you go corky

WASHINGTON (Reuters Health) Sept 27 - A new national survey shows that sex education classes offered to public high school students are not as lengthy or as comprehensive as most parents think they should be. 

It also shows that teaching sexual abstinence until marriage remains at the top of parents' sex education priorities. At the same time, the majority of parents also want their children to get more instruction about sexually transmitted diseases, contraception, and how to communicate with partners. 

"The results in their entirety challenge both sides in the [sex education] debate to rethink their positions on [education] in the public schools," said Steven Rabin, senior vice president of media and public education for the California-based Kaiser Family Foundation, which conducted the survey. 

Kaiser produced the results from telephone interviews with a nationwide sample of some 1500 students in the 7th to 12th grades and their parents, and 1000 public school sex education teachers from those grades. Over 300 public school principals were also surveyed. 

Overall 89% of students reported having at least some sex education classes at school by the 11th or 12th grade. 

Nearly all parents said that sex education classes should encourage teens to wait until they are married until having sex. But two-thirds said that the overall message to teens should be to wait to have sex, but use birth control and safe sex practice if they do not wait. 

At the same time, at least 75% of parents said that classes should cover a wide range of other topics, including homosexuality, abortion, proper condom use, and how to get tested for HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases. 

"Parents, simply put, want it all," said Tina Hoff, a Kaiser researcher who conducted the study. But few sex education classes seem long enough to cover all the topics parents want their kids to know about, Hoff added. Three quarters of the teachers said that their most recent sex education course lasted one or several class periods; in contrast, three quarters of parents said it should last half a semester or more. 

Shorter classes may be leaving out many topics that parents think are important. While 97% of parents reported wanting sex education classes to instruct kids on what to do if they are raped, only 59% of teens said that their classes had broached the topic. Similar gaps in parents' priorities and kids' experiences were seen in areas of homosexuality and how to talk with parents and partners about sex. "Parents are looking for real-life skills to be taught in the classroom," Hoff said. 

The survey also seemed to uncover gaps between the models that schools are supposed to be using for sex education and what students are actually picking up in class. While one third of teachers and principals said that the main message of their sex education classes was "abstinence only," only 18% of students said that they had received an abstinence-only message at school. 

Those numbers could mean that students who ask questions about sexual intercourse or contraception in class often get those questions answered, even by teachers mandated to teach only abstinence, said Dr. Ramon Cortines, a former New York City Schools Chancellor who was on hand when reporters were briefed on the study today. 

"When the doors are closed in that classroom its hard to know what is really going on" between teachers and students, he said. 
 
 

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2014, 07:07:42 PM »
I've come to the conclusion you're probably  borderline down syndrome,or just a troll


Much like your other conclusions it isn't based in fact.  You haven't backed up any of your claims.  Instead you throw out insults when you're trapped in a corner.

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2014, 07:08:42 PM »
here you go corky

WASHINGTON (Reuters Health) Sept 27 - A new national survey shows that sex education classes offered to public high school students are not as lengthy or as comprehensive as most parents think they should be. 

It also shows that teaching sexual abstinence until marriage remains at the top of parents' sex education priorities. At the same time, the majority of parents also want their children to get more instruction about sexually transmitted diseases, contraception, and how to communicate with partners. 

"The results in their entirety challenge both sides in the [sex education] debate to rethink their positions on [education] in the public schools," said Steven Rabin, senior vice president of media and public education for the California-based Kaiser Family Foundation, which conducted the survey. 

Kaiser produced the results from telephone interviews with a nationwide sample of some 1500 students in the 7th to 12th grades and their parents, and 1000 public school sex education teachers from those grades. Over 300 public school principals were also surveyed. 

Overall 89% of students reported having at least some sex education classes at school by the 11th or 12th grade. 

Nearly all parents said that sex education classes should encourage teens to wait until they are married until having sex. But two-thirds said that the overall message to teens should be to wait to have sex, but use birth control and safe sex practice if they do not wait. 

At the same time, at least 75% of parents said that classes should cover a wide range of other topics, including homosexuality, abortion, proper condom use, and how to get tested for HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases. 

"Parents, simply put, want it all," said Tina Hoff, a Kaiser researcher who conducted the study. But few sex education classes seem long enough to cover all the topics parents want their kids to know about, Hoff added. Three quarters of the teachers said that their most recent sex education course lasted one or several class periods; in contrast, three quarters of parents said it should last half a semester or more. 

Shorter classes may be leaving out many topics that parents think are important. While 97% of parents reported wanting sex education classes to instruct kids on what to do if they are raped, only 59% of teens said that their classes had broached the topic. Similar gaps in parents' priorities and kids' experiences were seen in areas of homosexuality and how to talk with parents and partners about sex. "Parents are looking for real-life skills to be taught in the classroom," Hoff said. 

The survey also seemed to uncover gaps between the models that schools are supposed to be using for sex education and what students are actually picking up in class. While one third of teachers and principals said that the main message of their sex education classes was "abstinence only," only 18% of students said that they had received an abstinence-only message at school. 

Those numbers could mean that students who ask questions about sexual intercourse or contraception in class often get those questions answered, even by teachers mandated to teach only abstinence, said Dr. Ramon Cortines, a former New York City Schools Chancellor who was on hand when reporters were briefed on the study today. 

"When the doors are closed in that classroom its hard to know what is really going on" between teachers and students, he said. 
 
 


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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2014, 07:10:12 PM »
here you go corky

WASHINGTON (Reuters Health) Sept 27 - A new national survey shows that sex education classes offered to public high school students are not as lengthy or as comprehensive as most parents think they should be.  

It also shows that teaching sexual abstinence until marriage remains at the top of parents' sex education priorities. At the same time, the majority of parents also want their children to get more instruction about sexually transmitted diseases, contraception, and how to communicate with partners.  

"The results in their entirety challenge both sides in the [sex education] debate to rethink their positions on [education] in the public schools," said Steven Rabin, senior vice president of media and public education for the California-based Kaiser Family Foundation, which conducted the survey.  

Kaiser produced the results from telephone interviews with a nationwide sample of some 1500 students in the 7th to 12th grades and their parents, and 1000 public school sex education teachers from those grades. Over 300 public school principals were also surveyed.  

Overall 89% of students reported having at least some sex education classes at school by the 11th or 12th grade.  

Nearly all parents said that sex education classes should encourage teens to wait until they are married until having sex. But two-thirds said that the overall message to teens should be to wait to have sex, but use birth control and safe sex practice if they do not wait.  

At the same time, at least 75% of parents said that classes should cover a wide range of other topics, including homosexuality, abortion, proper condom use, and how to get tested for HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases.  

"Parents, simply put, want it all," said Tina Hoff, a Kaiser researcher who conducted the study. But few sex education classes seem long enough to cover all the topics parents want their kids to know about, Hoff added. Three quarters of the teachers said that their most recent sex education course lasted one or several class periods; in contrast, three quarters of parents said it should last half a semester or more.  

Shorter classes may be leaving out many topics that parents think are important. While 97% of parents reported wanting sex education classes to instruct kids on what to do if they are raped, only 59% of teens said that their classes had broached the topic. Similar gaps in parents' priorities and kids' experiences were seen in areas of homosexuality and how to talk with parents and partners about sex. "Parents are looking for real-life skills to be taught in the classroom," Hoff said.  

The survey also seemed to uncover gaps between the models that schools are supposed to be using for sex education and what students are actually picking up in class. While one third of teachers and principals said that the main message of their sex education classes was "abstinence only," only 18% of students said that they had received an abstinence-only message at school.  

Those numbers could mean that students who ask questions about sexual intercourse or contraception in class often get those questions answered, even by teachers mandated to teach only abstinence, said Dr. Ramon Cortines, a former New York City Schools Chancellor who was on hand when reporters were briefed on the study today.  

"When the doors are closed in that classroom its hard to know what is really going on" between teachers and students, he said.  
  
  


This doesn't prove the parents wanted it in the first place.   Mods he also didn't provide a link

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2014, 07:14:03 PM »
LOL YOUR RIGHT YOUR NOT BORDERLINE   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2014, 07:15:22 PM »
BB, you live in Hawaii so maybe you can answer this:  
Are kids (11 - 13) doing a lot of boom-boom there to your knowledge?  (Do you see super young-looking girls pushing strollers and the like?)

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2014, 07:16:01 PM »
LOL YOUR RIGHT YOUR NOT BORDERLINE   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Still, your post didn't back up your claim. 

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2014, 07:19:41 PM »
Still, your post didn't back up your claim. 

you know what your on here all the time and  now 333386 is hardly on here I think 2+2=4  ;D

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2014, 07:21:58 PM »
Here is an example of trying to indoctrinate kids. 

Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program


INAPPROPRIATE? Bob McDermott doesn’t want his 11-year-old son exposed to Hawaii DOE’S sex education curriculum.

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http://www.hawaiireporter.com/hawaii-lawmaker-renews-fight-to-end-or-revise-controversial-sex-ed-program/123

Let me just get this inappropriate comment out of the way:  

That pic looks like a gay pedophile with a photo of his next target.  It says the guy has 8 kids (8!).  Wonder if anyone has investigated Mr. McLibido about whether he doesn't want his kids to have any sex ed. because it'd give them an alternate way to describe "daddy's private funtime"?  

Just a creepy thought that's probably out of the question since publicity would be the last thing a guy like that would want.

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2014, 07:23:56 PM »
BB, you live in Hawaii so maybe you can answer this:  
Are kids (11 - 13) doing a lot of boom-boom there to your knowledge?  (Do you see super young-looking girls pushing strollers and the like?)

Yes, some kids as young as 13 are sexually active.  No, I don't see any of them pushing strollers. 

One hundred percent of the girls having sex under the age of 16 are incapable of consenting to sex. 

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2014, 07:24:40 PM »
you know what your on here all the time and  now 333386 is hardly on here I think 2+2=4  ;D

Looks like someone doesn't know the difference between your and you're.  Again,  you can't back up your claims.

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2014, 07:25:58 PM »
Let me just get this inappropriate comment out of the way:  

That pic looks like a gay pedophile with a photo of his next target.  It says the guy has 8 kids (8!).  Wonder if anyone has investigated Mr. McLibido about whether he doesn't want his kids to have any sex ed. because it'd give them an alternate way to describe "daddy's private funtime"?  

Just a creepy thought that's probably out of the question since publicity would be the last thing a guy like that would want.

 ::)

He's just a retired Marine, with an MBA, member of the State House of Representatives, married to the same woman for 25 years.  

Pretty idiotic thing to say.

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2014, 07:29:14 PM »
Looks like someone doesn't know the difference between your and you're.  Again,  you can't back up your claims.

lol I think I'm right

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2014, 07:33:05 PM »
lol I think I'm right

You think a lot of things that aren't based in reality.

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Re: Hawaii lawmaker renews fight to end or revise controversial sex ed program
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2014, 07:38:40 PM »
You think a lot of things that aren't based in reality.
hahaha so true