Losing my tolerance for Fat People

[BigRo]

so your telling me a beached whale has higher metabolism than an endurance athlete or bodybuilder by eating and sitting around?

great thread

[Shockwave]

so your telling me a beached whale has higher metabolism than an endurance athlete or bodybuilder by eating and sitting around?

great thread

Dont think that was his point...

Just that obese ppl are eating tons of food. Which is generally correct. At 300lbs they probably need close to 3800-4k cal to stay that weight. Probably close to the same for a BB, id assume more for the BB depending on exactly how athletic they are and how many cals theyre burning.

[Van_Bilderass]

Read this Vince:

40 years of federal nutrition research fatally flawed
University of South Carolina study shows flaws in NHANES data

Four decades of nutrition research funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be invalid because the method used to collect the data was seriously flawed, according to a new study by the Arnold School of Public Health at the University of South Carolina.

The study, led by Arnold School exercise scientist and epidemiologist Edward Archer, has demonstrated significant limitations in the measurement protocols used in the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES). The findings, published in PLOS ONE (The Public Library of Science), reveal that a majority of the nutrition data collected by the NHANES are not "physiologically credible," Archer said.

These results suggest that without valid population-level data, speculations regarding the role of energy intake in the rise in the prevalence of obesity are without empirical support, he said.

The NHANES is the most comprehensive compilation of data on the health of children and adults in the United States. The survey combines interviews of self-reported food and beverage consumption over 24 hours and physical examinations to assess the health and nutritional status of the US population. Conducted by the CDC and the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the NHANES is the primary source of data used by researchers studying the impact of nutrition and diet on health.

The study examined data from 28,993 men and 34,369 women, 20 to 74 years old, from NHANES I (1971 – 1974) through NHANES (2009 – 2010), and looked at the caloric intake of the participants and their energy expenditure, predicted by height, weight, age and sex. The results show that -- based on the self-reported recall of food and beverages -- the vast majority of the NHANES data "are physiologically implausible, and therefore invalid," Archer said.

In other words, the "calories in" reported by participants and the "calories out," don't add up and it would be impossible to survive on most of the reported energy intakes. This misreporting of energy intake varied among participants, and was greatest in obese men and women who underreported their intake by an average 25 percent and 41 percent (i.e., 716 and 856 Calories per-day respectively).

"Throughout its history, the NHANES survey has failed to provide accurate estimates of the habitual caloric consumption of the U.S. population," Archer said. "Although improvements were made to the NHANES measurement protocol after 1980, there was little improvement to the validity of U.S. nutritional surveillance."

These limitations "suggest that the ability to estimate population trends in caloric intake and generate public policy relevant to diet-health relationships is extremely limited," said Archer, who conducted the study with colleagues at the Arnold School.

"The nation's major surveillance tool for studying the relationships between nutrition and health is not valid. It is time to stop spending tens of millions of health research dollars collecting invalid data and find more accurate measures," he said.

[Vince B]

Okay, Shockwave, here is a challenge for you. Probably greater than your effort to lose weight. Go to the Dimensions forum and post your story. Let me know how you went.

http://www.dimensionsmagazine.com/forums/

[Vince B]

Read this Vince:

I am prepared to debate this issue and the research relevant to it. That is much better than anecdotal experiences and conclusions.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Explaining why people are fat is not easy. Lots of factors involved.

Studies done on fat people who lost weight on a controlled diet found that after the experiment finished the

subjects systems were in a state of starvation. So the body quickly regained the weight that was lost.

So it appears that for many fat people dieting makes them fatter. So don't think you blokes know how to solve

the obesity problem. I can see why most obese people would shun gyms because they know exactly what you blokes are thinking about them.

Seriously, fuck off. You are clearly a supporter of the fat acceptance movement. These people engage in a form of self abuse, worst off, they abuse their kids in this manner by introducing them to this shitty lifestyle of zero discipline and unhealthy habits. This politically correct view you have is what is contributing to the problem and the reason why this generation of kids will NOT outlive their parents generation.

[Vince B]

Seriously, fuck off. You are clearly a supporter of the fat acceptance movement. These people engage in a form of self abuse, worst off, they abuse their kids in this manner by introducing them to this shitty lifestyle of zero discipline and unhealthy habits. This politically correct view you have is what is contributing to the problem and the reason why this generation of kids will NOT outlive their parents generation.

Look, kill the debate not the people in it. Surely you are more than just big muscles?

I am telling you the facts about obese people. About time you learned something about them and obesity so that you don't represent bodybuilders as the ignoramous you most definitely are.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Look, kill the debate not the people in it. Surely you are more than just big muscles?

I am telling you the facts about obese people. About time you learned something about them and obesity so that you don't represent bodybuilders as the ignoramous you most definitely are.

Congrats on being a leader in the forefront of generation nothingness and the pussification of the world.

No wonder you don't have any blue stars.

[Vince B]

Congrats on being a leader in the forefront of generation nothingness and the pussification of the world.

No wonder you don't have any blue stars.

Yes, well maybe guys like you should lose your blue stars when you disgrace the bodybuilding community.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Yes, well maybe guys like you should lose your blue stars when you disgrace the bodybuilding community.

A disgrace to the prestigious and honorable world of men in thongs 

Shame on you for this accusation!

[gracie bjj]

to b honest i dont know how a person can wake up in the morning being a fat slob n feel good about themselves,thats beyond me , i remember when i got injured last yr n got alittle soft i was so depressed that i was ready to jump off a bridge,me personally cant live totally fat or for that matter even being somewhat fat,unless the person has a legit medical problem that cant b helped even by medicine or surgery,they r just people with no will power n lazy

[Thin Lizzy]

Well, you are an anecdotal example and do not represent the majority of people that diet. You are part of the 5% who were fat and dieted and kept it off. The 95% regain the weight and more. That is a fact.

My conclusion is that if you have the genes for efficiently storing fat then you are doomed if you live in a modern Western culture. You will be fat.

I happen to agree with you.

Here's why 95% of the people gain it back:

Permanent behavioral change is really hard. Most don't have the motivation and will to make that change and stick with it.

[Shockwave]

Okay, Shockwave, here is a challenge for you. Probably greater than your effort to lose weight. Go to the Dimensions forum and post your story. Let me know how you went.

http://www.dimensionsmagazine.com/forums/

Why the hell would I post my story on a site dedicated to something I vehemently oppose?

The fat acceptance movement is surreal, its just another example of this generations ridiculous entitlement complex and PC cultures gone horribly wrong.

[_aj_]

A disgrace to the prestigious and honorable world of men in thongs 

Shame on you for this accusation!

You, good sir, are a cad.

 

[Shockwave]

Congrats on being a leader in the forefront of generation nothingness and the pussification of the world.

No wonder you don't have any blue stars.

Apparently the facts on obese people is that they cant keep weight off so we must coddle them and try to make them feel good about themselves, even though 99% are perfectly capable of making a change, they just refuse to do it.


Makes perfect sense.

[_aj_]

Google "thin privilege" for a laugh

Holy shit! Sweet delusion...

[efirkey]

I watched the BBC show "Secret Eaters" on youtube, a show about obese people who couldn't understand why they were overweight.  The show had the participants keep a diary before the show had private investigators start monitoring them.  Almost every one of them did not keep an accurate diary.  Most of them had in their journal that they only ate around 3000 calories a day.

The show then had the private investigators follow them around without their knowing it and kept track of every thing they ate.  What they found was that the person usually ate 4000, 5000, 6000+ calories a day, not the 3000 calories they reported in their diaries.

So yes,  the average person can not accurately keep track of what they are eating.  They lie to themselves for whatever reason...most likely food addiction.

On a personal level I have noticed that thin people do indeed eat less.

[Thin Lizzy]

I watched the BBC show "Secret Eaters" on youtube, a show about obese people who couldn't understand why they were overweight.  The show had the participants keep a diary before the show had private investigators start monitoring them.  Almost every one of them did not keep an accurate diary.  Most of them had in their journal that they only ate around 3000 calories a day.

The show then had the private investigators follow them around without their knowing it and kept track of every thing they ate.  What they found was that the person usually ate 4000, 5000, 6000+ calories a day, not the 3000 calories they reported in their diaries.

So yes,  the average person can not accurately keep track of what they are eating.  They lie to themselves for whatever reason...most likely food addiction.

On a personal level I have noticed that thin people do indeed eat less.

Way back when, I used to listen to Howard Stern. Occasionally, he'd have a fat person on the show, and, he would invariably ask them what they had eaten that day or the day before. The fat person would always say he had a salad and nothing else.

After awhile, it became a running joke that fat people got that way eating air.

[forillagorilla]

Maybe its the boatload of gear you're on, genius? Who knows what else you're on. Let's not forget constantly working out and doing cardio either. Ever consider these mysterious factors? You probably burn an extra 500 calories a day just brushing out your mangy, long man-pony tail.

Most people do fucking nothing and eat pure shit. If you eat pure shit you will look like shit. It's not all just calories. But these people are eating calorie dense garbage and guzzling HFCS all day like a fucking gravy IV. With your muscle mass and activity level, your metabolism is a raging inferno compared to these slovenly bastards.

Is it really that mysterious to you? You know what is mysterious to me? Why someone would grow out such a disgusting mustachio, my friend. Please, make it stop.

I have to give you this - your balls must be as big as your tits for you to post about "fat people" as if you aren't one of them!! My lord - your physique screams "estrogen laden fat body"
Do something for yourself for gods sake - you look like 250lbs of chewed bubble gum

[BigRo]

who are you talking to Alpine or me?

[_aj_]

who are you talking to Alpine or me?

Guessing Alpine based on his avatar.

[Man of Steel]

Having been obese....

2 things to note.

There are people who are fat (curcumstances beyond their control, lack of knowledge, health issues, whatever)

And there are FAT PEOPLE.

Fat people are not people. They are food zombies as someone else pointed out. Their entire mentality revolves around food. Generally thwyre disgusting pigs, poor hygiene, cruel, assholes, selfish and entitled.

People who are fat, dont have the same mentality that fat people have.

I grew up fat. Doctors decided I was malnourished as a child and told my parents to feed me mcdonalds 2x a day to fatten me up. I got used to that and did that for years and was obese before I was out of junior high. I hated myself and as soon as I was on my own and learned how I lost over 100lbs and got my life back.

I got fat again when I had some health problems in late 2011. Again, got sick of it and lost over 100lbs and am currently in the best shape of my life.

People who are fat can be helped.

Fat people cannot. They dont give a shit about ANYTHING or anyone. Theyre not really humans.

I've never read it expressed like this, but I think I agree.  I've also battled weight issues from early childhood to the present.

During my senior year in high school I dropped about 30lbs.  Entered college and in my freshmen year everyone else gained 10-20 and I lost another 50.

I also got hurt badly in 2010 and lost weight, then put it on, then lost it and put it back on......now I'm trying to lose it and keep it off. 

Just amounts to burning more than you take in and being consistent in activity.

[Man of Steel]

On a personal level I have noticed that thin people do indeed eat less.

You don't say??  

It's more than portion control though.  Thin folk view food, themselves and their lifestyles differently.  They love food like the rest, but when they've eaten too much they immediately wanna blast off the excess....and they do.  People that are fat do not.  Most of the time when eating thin folks have learned and disciplined themselves to just stop consuming calories.....they hit their caloric threshold and they're done.

Obese folks have a taste addiction too....water holds no value for them.  They crave the sugar in sodas, juices, etc....I find that many obese get a ton of excess calories via soda, alcohol, high calories coffees and even fruit juice.   It's not pie and cake typically.  Also obese people can't simply substitute veggies for carbs.  Again it's a sugar addiction and veggies don't quench that craving nor do they taste as good as carbs.  For the obese delicious food is their life.  Without that constant taste in their mouth they often have little else.  Suddenly swapping water for Coke and broccoli for french fries and grilled chicken and fish for enchiladas and fried chicken is akin to punishment and torture LOL.  Real simple stuff.

[Thin Lizzy]

In one of his Youtubes, Leroy Colbert says, "If eating an egg is making you fat, eat half an egg."

It's as easy as that, in theory.

Executing that strategy in an era of unprecedented food availability and multi-million dollar ad campaigns designed to make us eat as much as possible, it's very hard. Thus, the 95% failure rate.

[Man of Steel]

In one of his Youtubes, Leroy Colbert says, "If eating an egg is making you fat, eat half an egg."

It's as easy as that, in theory.

Executing that strategy in an era of unprecedented food availability and multi-million dollar ad campaigns designed to make us eat as much as possible, it's very hard. Thus, the 95% failure rate.

Exactly.  

If a person eats 6 Big macs everyday and then suddenly starts eating only 5 Big macs everyday and ups their activity a bit they'll typically lose weight.

Although convincing obese folks to drop that extra Big mac and add 30 minutes of sweat equity to each day is an enormous hurdle.

If you're active, thin and young you can't appreciate this notion....it just sounds ridiculous and lazy to you....it's simply too foreign because the thin person has their head wired correctly in this regard.  Reality is the obese mentality is ridiculous, but there's more to it for the obese person.  Thin people know already they're attempting to give that obese person a quality of life they never knew possible.  The obese person can't see that improved quality of life and just sees what little enjoyment in life they do have being taken from them piece by piece.

For many of the obese it's sugar addiction and fear of the unknown....fear of effort, fear of embarrasment, fear of life in some cases and fear of failure.  The irony being they're existing in a state of physical failure already.